Colombian president calls for global legalisation of cocaine, calls it ‘no worse than whisky'

So i assume most of you here have snorted coke on regular basis?

Genuine question
Nope. I smoked loads of weed/hash when I was 15/26/17 but ended up disliking it so stopped (and then quit smoking). Coke wasn't common but anyone I met on it turned into such an instant wanker I was never tempted.

I'm for legalisation in general though. If done properly.
 
Well, I am not disputing that mixing cocaine and alcohol is better than separate. Pogue said in that sentence that cocaine is worse because it makes you take alcohol. Like putting the blame on the alcohol consumption which is contradictory

If we are talking separate we are talking separate. Everybody has its on personal and unique experience that is for sure

Numbers doesn't back up cocaine as worse though

Statistically Alcohol causes more deaths, more diseases and third party damages than cocaine. Not to speak how many households abuses are fueled by alcohol compared to cocaine. The damage that alcohol causes to society has no parallels

There is no study, none that says otherwise
He said it makes you drink more, which it often does. If people are just drinking, they tend to get tired or pass out at some point, but with coke/mdma you can easily keep going through the night.
 
He said it makes you drink more, which it often does. If people are just drinking, they tend to get tired or pass out at some point, but with coke/mdma you can easily keep going through the night.
as another poster you can blame a drug to make fall from another in his case his go to alcohol, others might be M or others K to "balance out". The same can be said for people that drinks alcohol makes you use easier other drugs like cocaine is it is their thing.

Puting the blaming game to one leads to another is like saying that oxi brings you to fentanyl. It depends on the person. So comparisons should be 1 by 1 on effects in the person and sourroundings

And if cocaine brings you easier than alcohol than anything else, the more reason to consider alcohol worse because part of his big danger is its acceptability in society
 
Surely to god there are enough dickheads in the world in 2025, without wanting to legalise cocaine?

It’s bad enough listening to some clown drone on about fights he lost when he was 14 and how his dad never really understood him around a kitchen table at 4am after a wedding.

I don’t fancy having to listen to him down the pub or in the supermarket on a Wednesday afternoon as well.
 
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Don't know which is worse but what we are doing now and have done for God knows how many decades is not working. I would like a different approach.
 
Surely to god there are enough dickheads in the world in 2025, without wanting to legalise cocaine?

It’s bad enough listening to some clown drone on about fights he lost when he was 14 and how his dad never really understood him around a kitchen table at 4am after a wedding.

I don’t fancy having to listen to him down the pub or in the supermarket on a Wednesday afternoon as well.

loads of people are already using it though, it's not like British pubs aren't already full of coked-up twats on a friday night

I think it's a dangerous drug, the same as alcohol

I just don't see how anyone can make a logical case for banning one but not the other, both ruin lives
 
if one is legal both should be I reckon

a lot of the potential harm that comes with cocaine is because it's illegal (not suggesting it isn't harmful)
It's a hundred times worse than alcohol, in terms of addiction, short and long-term health and mental effects. It will feck you up at a speed you can't even begin to imagine.

Coke can and will absolutely ruin aynone's day (and life), there's absolutely no comparison.
 
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It's a hundred times worse than alcohol, in terms of addiction, short and long-term health and mental effects.

Coke can and will absolutely ruin aynone's day (and life), there's absolutely no comparison.

okay sure, but when you look at the outcomes for society, alcohol causes an absolute feck-tonne of problems, so why isn't that banned too?
 
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It's a hundred times worse than alcohol, in terms of addiction, short and long-term health and mental effects. It will feck you up at a speed you can't even begin to imagine.

Coke can and will absolutely ruin aynone's day (and life), there's absolutely no comparison.
A hundred times worse? Hmmm
 
okay sure, but when you look at the outcomes for society, alcohol causes an absolute feck-tonne of problems, so why isn't that banned too?
Alcohol has been part of the human journey for thousands of years. Its potency and addiction potential are nowhere near comparable to what cocaine and other hard drugs (heroine, meths, crack, etc...) are.

That's not to say that alcohol isn't harmful but only a crackhead would put these two on the same level.
 
Alcohol has been part of the human journey for thousands of years. Its potency and addiction potential are nowhere near comparable to what cocaine and other hard drugs (heroine, meths, crack, etc...) are.

That's not to say that alcohol isn't harmful but only a crackhead would put these two on the same level.

well that just isn't true, there are studies that put alcohol right up there

if you think cocaine shouldn't be legal due to potential harm to society, and there's a drug already legal doing loads of harm to society

surely the only logical position is they all get banned? Or none.
 
well that just isn't true, there are studies that put alcohol right up there

if you think cocaine shouldn't be legal due to potential harm to society, and there's a drug already legal doing loads of harm to society

surely the only logical position is they all get banned? Or none.

Because it’s too late to ban alcohol. That ship has sailed. Whether or not coke should also be legal is the only thing that’s up for discussion here.
 
well that just isn't true, there are studies that put alcohol right up there

if you think cocaine shouldn't be legal due to potential harm to society, and there's a drug already legal doing loads of harm to society

surely the only logical position is they all get banned? Or none.
Any argument for legalising a drug falls down completely with the whataboutery of pointing at alcohol.

We are where we are with alcohol and tobacco. We tax them higher and higher to make them less and less accessible to younger people, and that's a policy that works to a degree - fewer young people drinking and smoking than ever before. That's about as close as it's going to get to prohibition and is probably more effective anyway.
 
Because it’s too late to ban alcohol. That ship has sailed. Whether or not coke should also be legal is the only thing that’s up for discussion here

I did write, "or none".

And I disagree it can't be discussed, people are already discussing it. Logistically we might not be able to ban it but doesn't mean it can't be discussed in hypothetical terms. It's just a football forum.
 
I don't really think pointing to alcohol is really helping anyway. It's similar to people pointing to cars or knifes in the guns discussion. One toxic substance being legal doesn't make a great case for legalising an additional one
 
Any argument for legalising a drug falls down completely with the whataboutery of pointing at alcohol.

We are where we are with alcohol and tobacco. We tax them higher and higher to make them less and less accessible to younger people, and that's a policy that works to a degree - fewer young people drinking and smoking than ever before. That's about as close as it's going to get to prohibition and is probably more effective anyway.

that's a strange use of the word whataboutery mate

millions of people get killed by alcohol every year

alcohol, tobacco & cannabis regulation are all very clearly relevant talking points
 
Cocaine is much more harmful than alcohol because it is uncontrolled and unregulated so you don't know what it's been cut and mixed with.

A lot of the stuff that comes in Europe gets mixed again with all sorts of pills to make it profitable to the point that even the people that mix it don't really know what is actually in it.

If the market was controlled and regulated like it is for alcohol then it would be much purer and less harmful than alcohol.
 
that's a strange use of the word whataboutery mate

millions of people get killed by alcohol every year

alcohol, tobacco & cannabis regulation are all very clearly relevant talking points
I don't see it as a strange use of the word at all. It is almost the definition of whataboutery.
 
well that just isn't true, there are studies that put alcohol right up there

if you think cocaine shouldn't be legal due to potential harm to society, and there's a drug already legal doing loads of harm to society

surely the only logical position is they all get banned? Or none.

I don't really think pointing to alcohol is really helping anyway. It's similar to people pointing to cars or knifes in the guns discussion. One toxic substance being legal doesn't make a great case for legalising an additional one

Cocaine is much more harmful than alcohol because it is uncontrolled and unregulated so you don't know what it's been cut and mixed with.

A lot of the stuff that comes in Europe gets mixed again with all sorts of pills to make it profitable to the point that even the people that mix it don't really know what is actually in it.

If the market was controlled and regulated like it is for alcohol then it would be much purer and less harmful than alcohol.

Go ahead and legalize it then. Can't wait to see the results.
 
I don't see it as a strange use of the word at all. It is almost the definition of whataboutery.

if I was saying lets make cocaine legal because alcohol is legal that would be textbook whataboutery

bringing alcohol into a debate about legalising drugs is just the logical thing to do

there's very rarely a drug debate without that being mentioned
 
So i assume most of you here have snorted coke on regular basis?

Genuine question
I have in my twenties. I was living in Amsterdam. I was led to it by a mate and very quickly addicted. It got to the point I was doing it before work. The more often you take it, more you have to take as your body gets used to it. It consumes your life and makes you think you can do anything. I don’t mean that in a good way.
I moved away from Amsterdam and went full cold turkey. Haven’t touched it since.
I’ve since got multiple heart issues and am told that cocaine is very very bad for your heart. It’s accelerant.
The other thing I’ll say is it’s not the type of drug that you take 1 line and are done. It’s moreish and leaves you open to the possibility that you can handle any drug.

For me, it’s crazy that people are so open to the idea of legalising it, floated by the country that exports it the most. Another sign of how the world is going. Let them get rich flooding our bodies with crap. Crazy
 
I did write, "or none".

And I disagree it can't be discussed, people are already discussing it. Logistically we might not be able to ban it but doesn't mean it can't be discussed in hypothetical terms. It's just a football forum.

Ok, sure. Hypotheticals are fine but it’s a poor argument in favour of legalising cocaine. This bad thing is legal, so this bad thing should also be legal.

For what it’s worth, I’m generally in favour of decriminalisation of drugs. As that’s the best way to minimise harm. But it makes no sense to me for anyone to hold that position and bang on about how dangerous alcohol is and why it should be banned.

It’s also possible for different drugs to pose different levels of harm. And cocaine definitely seems to have a higher potential for harm than alcohol. In my opinion. It’s not a one size fits all issue.
 
if I was saying lets make cocaine legal because alcohol is legal that would be textbook whataboutery

bringing alcohol into a debate about legalising drugs is just the logical thing to do

there's very rarely a drug debate without that being mentioned
Take your first paragraph but change it to the debate that's actually happening where one side is saying cocaine should not be legalised because it is harmful and the other is saying but what about alcohol

It's whataboutery by definition. This argument is worthless.

One side of the debate is trying to frame it that the precedent of alcohol being legal sets a bar for what you might see as an acceptable level of associated harm, and that cocaine meets the threshold. It's a fundamentally flawed argument - there is no acceptable level of harm, it's just that alcohol is around for millenia and is next to impossible to make it illegal. Allowing another harmful drug to be legalised now helps nobody.

That's it, no more to it. Cocaine is a harmful drug so should not be legalised. Shouting "but alcohol" is whataboutery and misses context.
 
Do you honestly believe alcohol is that much less harmful than cocaine?
If both were let’s say being used over a 20 year period, legally in society, I have no doubt there’d be more crime, more personal debt and more health problems on the cocaine side.
 
So i assume most of you here have snorted coke on regular basis?

Genuine question
I did for a couple of years when I was still a student. The effects and cravings for another line are not remotely comparable with alcohol.

You get high so fast, but come down even faster, leaving you wanting for more. If you don't manage to leave it to a very, very occasional recreation, you're absolutely fecked.

Do you honestly believe alcohol is that much less harmful than cocaine?
Based on my personal experience and what I've seen around me, I genuinely do.

Anyone advocating for its legalization has either no idea what they're talking about or is genuinely crazy.
 
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Take your first paragraph but change it to the debate that's actually happening where one side is saying cocaine should not be legalised because it is harmful and the other is saying but what about alcohol

It's whataboutery by definition. This argument is worthless.

One side of the debate is trying to frame it that the precedent of alcohol being legal sets a bar for what you might see as an acceptable level of associated harm, and that cocaine meets the threshold. It's a fundamentally flawed argument - there is no acceptable level of harm, it's just that alcohol is around for millenia and is next to impossible to make it illegal. Allowing another harmful drug to be legalised now helps nobody.

That's it, no more to it. Cocaine is a harmful drug so should not be legalised. Shouting "but alcohol" is whataboutery and misses context.

whataboutery is typically used to defend something not to say it should be banned

the OP literally says cocaine is no worse than whiskey

so to engage in this debate you need to discuss alcohol lads
 
Take your first paragraph but change it to the debate that's actually happening where one side is saying cocaine should not be legalised because it is harmful and the other is saying but what about alcohol

It's whataboutery by definition. This argument is worthless.

One side of the debate is trying to frame it that the precedent of alcohol being legal sets a bar for what you might see as an acceptable level of associated harm, and that cocaine meets the threshold. It's a fundamentally flawed argument - there is no acceptable level of harm, it's just that alcohol is around for millenia and is next to impossible to make it illegal. Allowing another harmful drug to be legalised now helps nobody.

That's it, no more to it. Cocaine is a harmful drug so should not be legalised. Shouting "but alcohol" is whataboutery and misses context.


The argument is much more complicated than that. Lots of people use it recreationally, for years. The harm the illegal production and distribution does to the already marginalised is a bigger factor in some people's eyes than someone's personal decision to get high.
 
Take your first paragraph but change it to the debate that's actually happening where one side is saying cocaine should not be legalised because it is harmful and the other is saying but what about alcohol

It's whataboutery by definition. This argument is worthless.

One side of the debate is trying to frame it that the precedent of alcohol being legal sets a bar for what you might see as an acceptable level of associated harm, and that cocaine meets the threshold. It's a fundamentally flawed argument - there is no acceptable level of harm, it's just that alcohol is around for millenia and is next to impossible to make it illegal. Allowing another harmful drug to be legalised now helps nobody.

That's it, no more to it. Cocaine is a harmful drug so should not be legalised. Shouting "but alcohol" is whataboutery and misses context.
That’s an incredibly narrow and unfair way to summarise the argument brought forward in regards of a possible legalisation. And I also believe that you’re not really understanding what whataboutery (horrible word) means.
You are ignoring possible positive effects from legalisation for consumer health. So what you are calling a flawed argument regarding the acceptance of a certain level of harm can be used to support the other side as well. There is a level of harm we accept due to certain drugs being illegal. The black market causes horrible harm upon societies, the lack of control regarding the substances causes harm and the societal stigma associated with illegal drug use also causes immense harm, as it makes it more unlikely to seek out help.
So legalisation might actually alleviate that level of harm.
In regards to whataboutery, the way I understand the word it doesn’t mean any comparison is always bad, wrong or somehow flawed. Reading your post that‘s the impression I get. I always took it to mean that people try to bring stuff into a discussion that has no relation to the topic. For example if I were to criticise Amorim for picking a wrong team and someone else replied „but what about climate change? That’s also bad.“ That would be whataboutery. But if a person were to compare his set up with that of his predecessor, that would be very valid. That’s the way I see it here. It’s just logical to look at the effects the legalisation of other drugs had, when we talk about the potential legalisation of cocaine, for example. It makes loads of sense to compare these things, as the experience with one makes it possible for us to form estimations about what might happen if we did the same with another.
 
I did for a couple of years when I was still a student. The effects and cravings for another line are not remotely comparable with alcohol.

You get high so fast, but come down even faster, leaving you wanting for more. If you don't manage to leave it to a very, very occasional recreation, you're absolutely fecked.


Based on my personal experience and what I've seen around me, I genuinely do.

Anyone advocating for its legalization has either no idea what they're talking about or is genuinely crazy.
Same experiences as you. Cocaine nearly ended me. Years of going out and binge drinking every night didn’t come anywhere close.

I suspect that some arguing for, have never truly done cocaine
 
The question should not be but what about X or Y, it should be addressed on its own merits, is it right to legalise cocaine?

You're right. But alcohol is used in these debates because it also destroys lives through addiction and also the organised crime associated with prohibition is comparable.
 
I did for a couple of years when I was still a student. The effects and cravings for another line are not remotely comparable with alcohol.

You get high so fast, but come down even faster, leaving you wanting for more. If you don't manage to leave it to a very, very occasional pleasure, you're absolutely fecked.


Based on my personal experience and what I've seen around me, I genuinely do.

Anyone advocating for its legalization has either no idea what they're talking about or is genuinely crazy.
So you’re basing this solely on personal experience and ignore all research that suggests otherwise? Doesn’t convince me at all, to be honest.
 
That’s an incredibly narrow and unfair way to summarise the argument brought forward in regards of a possible legalisation. And I also believe that you’re not really understanding what whataboutery (horrible word) means.
You are ignoring possible positive effects from legalisation for consumer health. So what you are calling a flawed argument regarding the acceptance of a certain level of harm can be used to support the other side as well. There is a level of harm we accept due to certain drugs being illegal. The black market causes horrible harm upon societies, the lack of control regarding the substances causes harm and the societal stigma associated with illegal drug use also causes immense harm, as it makes it more unlikely to seek out help.
So legalisation might actually alleviate that level of harm.
In regards to whataboutery, the way I understand the word it doesn’t mean any comparison is always bad, wrong or somehow flawed. Reading your post that‘s the impression I get. I always took it to mean that people try to bring stuff into a discussion that has no relation to the topic. For example if I were to criticise Amorim for picking a wrong team and someone else replied „but what about climate change? That’s also bad.“ That would be whataboutery. But if a person were to compare his set up with that of his predecessor, that would be very valid. That’s the way I see it here. It’s just logical to look at the effects the legalisation of other drugs had, when we talk about the potential legalisation of cocaine, for example. It makes loads of sense to compare these things, as the experience with one makes it possible for us to form estimations about what might happen if we did the same with another.
I’m sure that there is more than enough addiction centres that could weigh in on this
 
Alcohol is used in these debates because it also destroys lives through addiction and also the organised crime associated with prohibition is comparable.
Yes long term abuse does.

Cocaine fecks you very very quickly. Much quicker than alcohol. And obviously you’ve got addiction probs with cocaine too.
 
Have you ever used cocaine? More than experimenting? Have you ever been addicted to it?
No. Why would I have to? That’s what research is for. Or should only people who’ve been addicted to both alcohol and cocaine be allowed to weigh in?