I’d go one further and package them together as some sort of buy one get one half price.
Colombian president calls for global legalisation of cocaine, calls it ‘no worse than whisky'
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Imagine what @horsechoker could do to this forum if it were legalised.
Cocaine's a hell of a drug.
I get that, but that's kind of a strange way to look at it. Because if we go about it like this, we would have to factor the likelihood of tobacco consumption and the damage it causes into the use of cannabis. Which would immediately make cannabis much worse. So I think every drug should be ranked on its own "merits", for lack of a better word.
One point I must add however, is that alcohol is also this damaging because it is heavily used by poor people, while cocaine is used in more affluent communities. That likely plays into how damaging alcohol is. Poorer people are always more vulnerable to health effects of about everything, for obvious reasons.
But people, and I don't mean you, really need to realize that alcohol is much, much more damaging, even when used in moderation, than most realize. The idea that a glass of wine a day is actually good for once health for example, is simply not true. The opposite is. I have recently listened to a few podcasts on the topic of the connection between football and alcohol in Germany and how the alcohol industry uses football to combat regulation (the DFB is the main reason that it is still legal to advertise for alcohol in Germany). One expert made the point that societies awareness of the dangers regarding alcohol is at the level society was in the 70's regarding the use of tobacco. I tend to agree with her.
Such an anxiety-inducing scene
No need to be afraid. You're not his daughter, after all.Such an anxiety-inducing scene
I think the connection between coke and affluence is a bit outdated, to be honest. It’s everywhere these days.
Anyway, I think I’m more agreeing than disagreeing with you overall. The harm that alcohol does is definitely underplayed. And an argument about whether or not cocaine is worse is only going to reinforce that myth.
So you are saying that cocaine is worse than alcohol because it "forces" you to consume a much worse drug....that is alcochol
a bit contradictory
Again, sure, alcohol with measure no problem. Abuse of it, like cocaine and it gets worse than cocaine. Not only for the individual but for the rest that surrounds them
And your libido
Maybe they mean that when combined, alcohol and cocaine create a new drug called cocaethylene which gives a more euphoric high, but at the cost of being more toxic (including cardiotoxic) than either drug
You're a better driver on coke than boozed up at least.
An idea worth investigating as there's good potential for harm reduction from legalization.
Well, I am not disputing that mixing cocaine and alcohol is better than separate. Pogue said in that sentence that cocaine is worse because it makes you take alcohol. Like putting the blame on the alcohol consumption which is contradictory
If we are talking separate we are talking separate. Everybody has its on personal and unique experience that is for sure
Numbers doesn't back up cocaine as worse though
Statistically Alcohol causes more deaths, more diseases and third party damages than cocaine. Not to speak how many households abuses are fueled by alcohol compared to cocaine. The damage that alcohol causes to society has no parallels
There is no study, none that says otherwise
If alcohol had been illegal for the past 100 years and its legality was questioned, people would be saying:
“No fecking way, that shit turns people insane, it’s physically addictive and you can literally die from withdrawal”
“No fecking way, that shit turns people insane, it’s physically addictive and you can literally die from withdrawal”
Dutch are among the lowest users of cannabis. There is that as comparison
Also, legal cocaine would not be cut with fentanyl and other drugs that the users don't intent to snort....and chalk
Reminds me of years ago when the Dutch government and the French (under Chirac at the time I think?) had a public spat about clear differences of opinion on the matter. Some of it seemed to be about the French calling for a total ban and calling the Dutch policy dangerous, and the Dutch biting back through several channels including basically saying that its the French policy of a ban increasing drug related crimes, not theirs.
That's because there aren't any hills.
Well now, my nan loved a drop of sherry, are you saying she was as bad all the other chavs in Finglas with the gak?
Also, yes, legalise it and tax it. To pay for schools. So in the future we will be smarter with regards to who we elect.
Probably could have worded that better! My point was that your nan might enjoy a sip of sherry on its own but when she was on the gak she would 100% need a few sherry’s to take the edge off.
Sounds like her. Off her tits giving out about the protestants. Smoking a ciggie in 3 pulls.
If a "politician" campaigned on legalising cocaine in the UK, that party would win seats.
I'm generally supportive of most drug legalization or at the least de-criminalization of almost all drugs (not heroin or meth though) as so many more problems are created by draconian outlawing of drugs and shifting drug problems from a health issue where they belong to a criminal issue.
Cocaine is, despite some long standing perceptions, relatively mild but the problems exacerbate of course when mixed with alcohol and other drugs - snorting coke and drinking alcohol all night then popping some xanax or something at 6am is not a rare mixture here in Los Angeles but that isn't, to me, a valid reason to keep it outlawed with a host of other problems.
Although I will say if cannabis legality is anything to go by, legalizing coke and taxing it like mad, the way California does with cannabis, means the black market supply will always exist because it will always be cheaper.
Cocaine is, despite some long standing perceptions, relatively mild but the problems exacerbate of course when mixed with alcohol and other drugs - snorting coke and drinking alcohol all night then popping some xanax or something at 6am is not a rare mixture here in Los Angeles but that isn't, to me, a valid reason to keep it outlawed with a host of other problems.
Although I will say if cannabis legality is anything to go by, legalizing coke and taxing it like mad, the way California does with cannabis, means the black market supply will always exist because it will always be cheaper.
Opposite. They dont have mountains. Hills they have plenty
Now that’s debatable FM. “I’ve heard” that it has a different effect on some!
You stay hard on coke?
Damn, FM! I plead the 5th!
How do we explain @KirkDuyt 's posts?
Those who live in glass stables should not throw horseshoes.
Horseshoes are good luck heh
So i assume most of you here have snorted coke on regular basis?
Genuine question
Genuine question
If you read the posts on here it's clear eh?
That sounds like something you would say while hoofing a fatty off of a Jean Claude Van Dame DVD case just so you don't have to put in.
The people who have are more likely to post and care about the subject.
I tried it. I'd say a lot of people have a couple of times and never again. Habitual use wouldn't be common or if it is they're discreet enough that you wouldn't know. Maybe not in marketing or a couple of other jobs like that?
Is Don Jr on his way to hold talks?
How’s legalisation and treatment as a health issue first working in Portugal?
I really don’t see the issue if alcohol is legal and binge drinking is normalised. The only reason hard drugs are illegal versus alcohol is because of where the money eventually ends up and who it ends up with, which could be changed if they made drugs legal.
I don’t wanna take them but I don’t like that people get shitfaced on the regular and that’s completely fine just cause it’s booze
I really don’t see the issue if alcohol is legal and binge drinking is normalised. The only reason hard drugs are illegal versus alcohol is because of where the money eventually ends up and who it ends up with, which could be changed if they made drugs legal.
I don’t wanna take them but I don’t like that people get shitfaced on the regular and that’s completely fine just cause it’s booze
Not me but i moved till recently in an environment with lots of different recreational drug useage. Mine is mostly psicodelics. Coke changes my friends behaviour and i can picture how it would change me and i just dont want it.
And i prefer my friends on coke, the way they use it than when i see them pissed drunk
Anyone found a way to free base whiskey yet?