I know which game it is, just wondering if it's the last one - or is do we have to wait for the Laura's Deli Bowl?
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I know which game it is, just wondering if it's the last one - or is do we have to wait for the Laura's Deli Bowl?
Yeah, it's the last one. FOr some reason the last 2 nights had the International Bowl and the GMAC Bowl, which were, for all intensive purposes, meaningless.
OSU getting slapped in the face of the second year in a row in the title game by a SEC team, 31-10 middle of the 3rd
31-17, still a lot of time left, if OSU scores next this game could go either way, it isn't helping them that LSU is playing a home game, in a very loud indoor staidum
It also isn't helping that Ohio State is vastly over rated. If this game is more than a 7 point difference it once again proves the circus that is the BCS
To be fair, the game would totally different now if OSU didnt rough the kicker at the beginning of the second half. SEC/USC(yes I know they are in the Pac-10) and Big 10/Big 12 football is a totally different game these days, it seems as though the former is all about speed and strength (which seems to be working the last decade pretty well), which the BIg 10/Big 12 seem to lack in the games against the teams from the South, Texas, and USC, that said those schools do sign the best prospects by far these days
Buckeye fans must be feeling some de ja vu right now. Worse than that all of their good Junior players on defence will go pro now....
Was the MVP ever as dead certain as it was this season, and does anyone else think Brady looks like he is being poked in the arse with a hot metal rod when he is talking?
Pats and Colts in the AFC and the Packers and Giants in the NFC. Then I predict a fun circus in Dallas during the summer.
Ahhh... I see someone else is jumping on the Eli bandwagon. Nothing like a good east coast media bias to influence some.
Reason #1 why I chose English footy over the NFL - Giants will, again, make it into the semi-finals only to lose.
What's this going to be, 4 Superbowl wins in 7 seasons for the Patriots?
What's this going to be, 4 Superbowl wins in 7 seasons for the Patriots?
took you 2 minutes to bite MrMarcello. I actually think the Cowgirls will win big. Eli is shit and it as only because Tampa generated no pass rush at all that he looked good againstTampa. no way will he be given that much time to pick out open Recievers against dallas.LABob, I hope you're wrong. But I really can't see Jacksonville providing an upset. It'll have to be the Colts or chargers who have a great day in Foxboro.
Pats v Colts
Cowboys v Packers
Cowboys v Packers
Terrell Davis - went over 2k on the ground playing basically the first half of games since they would be such blowouts. That said you can't take away the Pats 16-0, the Broncos in 1998 were only 14-2, granted they dominated in the playoffs and won the SuperBowl, something New England havent yet done this year. If they don't win the SuperBowl, I will still rate the 1998 Denver Broncos as the best team I have seen in the past 20 years.
You don`t have to win to prove how great team you are 
92 & 93 Boys and 94 49ers could have beaten either Broncos team. The 98 Broncos caught a break when Anderson missed a FG that would have given Minnesota a 10-pt lead. The Broncos would have had their hands full trying to contain Carter, Moss, Reed, Cunningham, Hoard and Smith. Atlanta were simply cannon fodder in the SB.
94 Niners maybe, doubt the Cowboys teams could have handled them. Terrell Davis was as good a running back as you'll and would have been an alltime great had he not messed up his knee, in 97 and 98 he was absolutely unstoppable, better than Emmitt ever was, look at the stats. Davis also has the best playoff numbers of any running back alltime. The Broncos also had Shannon Sharpe, McCaffery, and Smith all in the prime of their careers at receiver. And although it was Elway's swan song he was still a great quarterback anybody who doubts that need only watch the helicopter play in the Green Bay.
You say that about the Broncos having trouble beating the Vikings, but come on they got beat by the Falcons when they were at home, I mean it shouldn't have even been a game, but when you have Cunningham as qb a choke job is always in the cards. Minnesota was a total turf team if I ever saw one, and played 14 of their games that year on turf that year, of the two they played on grass they lost one to Tampa in Tampa, which is similar to the field at Pro Player in Miami, real thick mid cut grass that can slow down the play. If Atlanta were able to run on Minnesota (and Atlanta was 2nd in the league that year to Denver by quite some way though) Denver would certainly be able to run all over Minnesota in the Super Bowl.
Davis better than Emmitt is comical. I guess all-time rushing yards, carries, and touchdown leader doesn't cut it in your world. One can always claim "what could have been" in regards to Davis, but one will always say "what was accomplished" in regards to Emmitt.
I suppose you forget Dallas offense was ALL in their prime in 92-93. Aikman, Smith, Moose, Irvin, Harper, Novacek, that massive OL - the best unit ever. On defense, Haley was unstoppable and he was complimented by arguably the deepest defensive line ever: Haley-Casillas-Maryland-Tolbert with Hennings-Lett-Jones-Jeffcoat as backup. Norton Jr and Jones as the top LBs, with a secondary that was young and good. Woodson and Marion were backup safeties behind Everett and Washington. The 1993 squad sent 11 players to the pro bowl. The 1992 defense was ranked #1 yet not one player from the unit was selected to the pro bowl. It was a team effort - 20 players; quality depth not seen since the cap era began. Both years the offense had 8 players selected to the pro bowl, a record. Dallas' defense proved they could stop just about any juggernaut offense. I fail to see Denver stopping Dallas offensive unit. Dallas also had a standout special teams unit featuring Martin/Williams returning kicks/punts and guys like Bates and Gant as tackling machines on kicks.
The Boys will end up with at least 5 HOFers (Aikman, Smith, Irvin, Haley, Woodson) from those two teams, potentially more.
We also failed to mention the 1989 49ers, probably the best team over the last 20 years. I can't find that list NFL Network came up with earlier this year on the top 25 teams of all-time, but I believe the 93 squad was top 10. I don't remember if the 98 Broncos were higher.
NFL is not Football!
Actually, American Football was the first code of football to be played under an organised body; this before either code of rugby and the set up of the FA.
89 niners > 94 niners
Emmitt > Terrell
In my time watching football the niners and cowboys teams of the late 80s and early 90s are definitely the best teams i have ever seen including the current faggots from NE.
I have to say from tapes etc though best teams ever have to be between the Lombardi Packers and the Noll Steelers.
For this weekend highlight will definitely be the match-up between the Colts and the Chargers followed closely by the Cowboys-giants. Here are my picks:
Green Bay (- 8.5) vs Seattle
Ne ( -13.5) vs Jacksonville
Dallas vs NY ( over 47)
Colts vs Chargers (+8.5)
Emmitt > Terrell
In my time watching football the niners and cowboys teams of the late 80s and early 90s are definitely the best teams i have ever seen including the current faggots from NE.
I have to say from tapes etc though best teams ever have to be between the Lombardi Packers and the Noll Steelers.
For this weekend highlight will definitely be the match-up between the Colts and the Chargers followed closely by the Cowboys-giants. Here are my picks:
Green Bay (- 8.5) vs Seattle
Ne ( -13.5) vs Jacksonville
Dallas vs NY ( over 47)
Colts vs Chargers (+8.5)
Another thing that irks me is how the 94 49ers were later found to have cheated the salary cap by signing Sanders. And we all know it was him that made the difference. But you never hear this fact, but I can only imagine how people would discredit the 95 Cowboys if they were found to have cheated the cap. The 49ers get a pass.
You reckon our Tony is going to turn it around on Sunday then MrM?
The only RBs I would take over Emmit Smith are Jim Brown, Walter Payton, and Barry Sanders...
Smith > Davis
Smith > Davis
I never said Davis was better than Emmitt all-time, but I don't remember Smith ever sniffing around 2000 yards either. Just look at the stats Davis was the more productive back, and even if Emmitt is the all-time leading rusher he doesn't make it anywhere near my top all time, (Brown, Payton, Sanders, Tomlinson, and Sayers, with your favorite murderer just outside of the list for no other reason than he is a murderer and the new LT is the real deal.
As for the other lists, it's my opinion, my main point being the Patriots will go down as bunch choke jobs if they don't win the SuperBowl, which I hope happens
Simpson was miles and I mean miles better, so was Sayers for that matter, that Dallas offensive line was incredible, no doubt Smith was good, but he was a complete joke in a Arizona
Alex's top ten RB's all time
1. Jim Brown (anyone who tells you different has shit for brains)
2. The Juice (anyone who saw him play knows what a player he was)
3. Walter Payton (great runner, great man, it was heartbreaking how he died as well, if you saw him run for the Bears you saw Sweetness)
4. Barry Sanders (wish he would have played 4 or 5 more years, would have had 20 k rushing yards easy)
5. Gale Sayers (one of the most talented players ever, not many players have that short of career and walk right into the HOF)
6. Emmitt Smith (can't argue with his numbers, might have had the best O line ever as well)
7. Eric Dickerson (still holds the record that everyone wants, TD would have got in 1998 if the Broncos didn't rest him in the 2nd half every game)
8. Earl Campbell (as powerful a runner as you will ever see)
9. LaDainian Tomlinson (a modern marvel)
10. Tony Dorsett (first player to run for a 99 yd touchdown, saw him when he played in Denver in his final season)
Honorable Mention:
Bronko Nagurski (with a name like that you have to be a good RB)
Terrell Davis (best Playoff numbers of any back and would have made the list, had injury not wrecked his career)
Marion Motely (was a horse)
Marshall Faulk ( a jack of all trades)
John Riggins (first jersey I ever owned was one of him, not surprising I lived in DC at the time; he would have walked through a wall if Gibbs told him too, and did on several occassions)
Marcus Allen (incredible player, probably has the stats to be on the top 10 list, still not talented enough for me though)
1. Jim Brown (anyone who tells you different has shit for brains)
2. The Juice (anyone who saw him play knows what a player he was)
3. Walter Payton (great runner, great man, it was heartbreaking how he died as well, if you saw him run for the Bears you saw Sweetness)
4. Barry Sanders (wish he would have played 4 or 5 more years, would have had 20 k rushing yards easy)
5. Gale Sayers (one of the most talented players ever, not many players have that short of career and walk right into the HOF)
6. Emmitt Smith (can't argue with his numbers, might have had the best O line ever as well)
7. Eric Dickerson (still holds the record that everyone wants, TD would have got in 1998 if the Broncos didn't rest him in the 2nd half every game)
8. Earl Campbell (as powerful a runner as you will ever see)
9. LaDainian Tomlinson (a modern marvel)
10. Tony Dorsett (first player to run for a 99 yd touchdown, saw him when he played in Denver in his final season)
Honorable Mention:
Bronko Nagurski (with a name like that you have to be a good RB)
Terrell Davis (best Playoff numbers of any back and would have made the list, had injury not wrecked his career)
Marion Motely (was a horse)
Marshall Faulk ( a jack of all trades)
John Riggins (first jersey I ever owned was one of him, not surprising I lived in DC at the time; he would have walked through a wall if Gibbs told him too, and did on several occassions)
Marcus Allen (incredible player, probably has the stats to be on the top 10 list, still not talented enough for me though)
God did Dallas ever come out on top after the Walker trade, probably the best bit of business in the NFL ever
Yeah, the key is establishing a running game though. I want to see Barber get 20 carries. But I am sick of all this east coast bias talking up the Giants. They are supposedly HOT yet played .500 ball in the second half of the season and lost 2 of their final 3 games. Not to mention Dallas beat them TWICE. I'll agree that Dallas hasn't played great ball of late but they also didn't need to the last 2 weeks once Green Bay lost.
He was also like 34/35 in Arizona... well past his best. But that said he lasted longer than almost every great RB, only Marcus Allen played longer that I know of. His last 5-6 years in the league was behind an aging, oft-injured OL in Dallas and total crap OL in Arizona. Yet he still managed to gain 4596 yards in his final four seasons in Dallas after turning age 30 and added in 1193 in 20 games with the Cardinals. He has the record for most rushing yards for an over 30 RB. And he didn't do that behind a monstrous OL like he had in the mid 90s. Oddly, we never hear critics point out Montana or Marino playing behind great OLs, or Davis, and others. We often hear that Barry didn't have an OL which is simply hogwash. He had perennial pro bowlers in Brown and Glover and in his last two seasons he had a budding star in Hartings. Bottom line is Emmitt played for the hated Cowboys so he will be discredited in any fashion by all the anti-Cowboy fans & haters. Had he played for any other team, like say Green Bay, he'd be universally loved.
4409 carries, 18335 yards, 164 tds plus 515 receptions, 3224 yards, 11 tds. Over 20000 all-purpose yards. Not bad for a kid from Florida that was told he was too small and not fast enough to be a success in the NFL. Not blessed with the speed of Barry or OJ, the power of Brown and Campbell, or the finesse of Payton or Sayers. Yet he's the record holder in many categories. During his prime years he was regarded as the best blocking RB in the league, saving Troy many times. Best ever in my book.
That's because critics are too busy talking about how he never won the big game.
There is no doubt Emmitt is a great(#6 on the list), as I said earlier though anyone who doesn't think Jim Brown is the best running back all time, we'll....
Emmitt does have the best numbers but played in longer seasons than Brown, Simpson, as well as a lot of the older backs mentioned even Payton for a few years with a 14 game or less schedule, not 16 like modern players get these days
Marcello the Cowboys are America's team, I don't see why you think there is a hatred/bias against them, there is no doubt jealousy though
You can't really use Smith's time in Arizona as a basis for his career. He was washed up by the time he got there.
I'll give you the Juice, but not Sayers...
I am not but it was still quite sad to see a player like him go out that way, it would be like Giggs finishing his career at Bolton or something and not even being a starter
Enjoy, gosh I miss being able to watch Payton what a running style he had.
I agree with you on that one. He should have retired a Cowboy at the end of the year he broke the record.
Darren McFadden to enter the 2008 NFL Draft, a year early, this guy is gonna be a star in the NFL
There are some good RBs coming out in this year's draft. McFadden, his college mate Jones, Smith from Central Florida, Stewart at Oregon, Charles at Texas, and many more. Someone will end up getting a future all-pro in the 2nd or 3rd rd - that's how deep this draft is at RB.
I think Jerry is going to package his two 1st rd picks to move near the top 5 and get McFadden. Personally, I'd rather he hold both picks and get someone like Jones or Smith at #20 then draft a DB at #30 or thereabouts. Hamlin had a decent season but there's no way he's a pro bowl FS. I would like to see Henry moved to FS and draft a top CB.