Evolution rather than revolution.
Club ownership | Senior management team talk
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Couldn't believe we have been that stupid. We needed a new manager in the summer so he could bring a few of his own players in. Instead he is trying to change things with even more of ETH's players.
The Glazers would likely just play them like a fiddle if they regurgitated their state bid.
After Jassim revealed they had consent money (regeneration of local area to woo council) to lure the unconscionable, the Glazers, with some justification, thought they'd play Qatar for a solid chunk of this money.
As of now, the Glazers have no reason to sell so Qatar's state bid will have to be significantly more than previous. Advantage Glazers.
You have to hand it to them, really. Not only have they filled their boots, they've sullied the righteousness of the 'Glazer Out' brigade as it's now contaminated with sportswashing.
Just so unbelievably pathetic. The Glazers must be laughing their beak off at it all.
The last 12 months have been the most damaging ever to the club. That’s INEOS.
Maybe that was the plan all along - buy a minority stake, run the football side into the ground thus allowing a majority purchase at a much lower valuation further down the road.
It's dark arts, fanciful but not impossible.
INEOS are going to relegate United. The ETH debacle and the disaster of purchases have seen us moonwalking into the championship. We really have gone from a low platform to an even lower one and there is nothing we can do about it.
There next step will be to remove 2 biggest earners in Rashford and Casemiro, then replace them with cheap inferior players.
The way back to the top seems further away than ever.
The way back to the top seems further away than ever.
No they haven’t, don’t be soft!
Leveraged takeover? Endless debt with only interest payments covered paid by the club? Constant annual dividends? Bankers instead of specialist sports people In charge? No investment into the stadium or training facilities? Ring any bells? It’s not INEOS.
A relegated Manchester United would be the second biggest shock in football history behind Leicester winning the league, round of applause for Ineos.
Another season without the champions league. They are begging around the world to fund the new stadium. The credit line for transfers is getting smaller. Surely they would be looking for a full sale now? I just don’t see what’s in it for them besides the ego of owning Man Utd.
Can't help but continue to feel they have made the club an even bigger mess. Struggling to think of any tangible positives they have brought so far. I wasn't expecting a quick turnaround of the club, but I would like to see some small shoots of improvement poking out by now at least.
Also, if they made the decision to keep looking for other managers even after triggering Ten Hag's extension then there is no logical way that the summer transfer business was done solely for Ten Hag.
Also, if they made the decision to keep looking for other managers even after triggering Ten Hag's extension then there is no logical way that the summer transfer business was done solely for Ten Hag.
If we win the EL (slim chance) we will be playing CL football and be in the championship.
The Glazers have obviously done tremendous damage to the club. It’s almost beyond comprehension how mismanaged we’ve been under their ownership. The only reasons they allowed Ineos into the fold are greed and desperation. Greed, in that they are unwilling to actually invest their own money into the club, but are reluctant to sell because they see bigger profits in the future. Desperate, in that they want to retain a majority stake, yet have no idea how to fix the problems they created (and, therefore, to actually increase the club’s value). They papered over the cracks for years, but could no longer do so with their refusal to invest. All of their incompetence finally came home to roost.
As for Ineos, the jury is very much out. They’ve made as many bad decisions as good ones, and a year later the lack of progress is concerning. I don’t see anything in Ineos’ pedigree which convinces me that they’re sure to get it right. I obviously hope they do, but I’m skeptical. I don’t believe for one second that Ratcliffe got into this purely out of his love for the club. I think it’s far more likely that he’s also in it for the money, albeit with a different perspective than the Glazers. I’m sure he badly wants the team to be successful, but primarily because that will help increase the club’s value and drive his wider real estate objectives. For those reasons, I believe that Ineos wants to make decisions which are geared toward on-field success. I’m just not certain that they’re capable of doing it. They took on an absolute mess, but it was their decision to get into bed with the Glazers, to keep the club in debt, and to further complicate a murky and less than ideal ownership structure. Worrying times.
As for Ineos, the jury is very much out. They’ve made as many bad decisions as good ones, and a year later the lack of progress is concerning. I don’t see anything in Ineos’ pedigree which convinces me that they’re sure to get it right. I obviously hope they do, but I’m skeptical. I don’t believe for one second that Ratcliffe got into this purely out of his love for the club. I think it’s far more likely that he’s also in it for the money, albeit with a different perspective than the Glazers. I’m sure he badly wants the team to be successful, but primarily because that will help increase the club’s value and drive his wider real estate objectives. For those reasons, I believe that Ineos wants to make decisions which are geared toward on-field success. I’m just not certain that they’re capable of doing it. They took on an absolute mess, but it was their decision to get into bed with the Glazers, to keep the club in debt, and to further complicate a murky and less than ideal ownership structure. Worrying times.
I'm not sure why there seems to be no noticeable reduction in the amount of media, promotion and PR that players and staff are doing. That is surely such an easy win. If these activities aren't performance related, can every single optional one until the end of the season.
We need to stop being a commercial club and start being a sporting club.
We need to stop being a commercial club and start being a sporting club.
I’m not sure shock would be the right word for it
Is there still no value in thinking Ineos are trying to tank the value of the club so they get the rest of the shares a bit cheaper from the Glazers?
Based on the last 18 months from these two that would take a bit of doing
To what gain overall? They would be getting the shares for what the clubs worth - shit.
They got one decision wrong and because of that it has ruined everything for the season. Ten Hag sabotaged himself and Amorim in advance by loading up the squad squad with slow and weak players, at least he had McTominay to hoof balls up to when things went wrong and he rescued a fair few points. Now we don't even have that.
As a club we all need to collectively take the oncoming bitter medicine and keep our heads because the next few weeks ain't going to be pretty. After that hopefully we get a new wingback and striker in then results will start turning positive. We need to ride out the next few games and keep our heads, no matter what.
Sorry if I have zero trust in the transfer team at United.
To save money now, and give the scum that really are to blame for all this mess as little as they can.
They're likely in it for the long haul, they know they need to invest big in the club, and probably don't see much point in raising the value until they are majority owners,
You are assuming in your scenario the Glazers would still sell.
I thought there was this 18 month thing, either SJR buys the rest of their shares, or they can sell the club to the highest bidder.
I don't think we'll go down this year but I wouldn't be surprised if it happens in the next few years. Things just get worse every year. I genuinely see no positives
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I don’t know how people have come to this conclusion. You have a club being run badly for over a decade, new guys show up and make changes to improve things. Sure it isn’t going well but changes take time.
The club has been left in a mess and needed massive changes. If it were allowed to have continued like it was we would be in a far worse situation
We're not getting relegated.
At least not this season.
I'm pretty sure in a year's time, the Amorim thread will look very different, but maybe I'm wrong.
Yeah it will probably be back on the SCP forum and in Portuguese!
Wouldn’t go that far but they have created a worse atmosphere at the club, which I didn’t think was possible. Had major concerns of them taking over due to the history of their involvements in sports teams so far but not sure what they are able to do to turn it around. Probably start cutting the employees time off down and selling off the women’s team.
There is no lights at the end of the tunnel. I’m Often somber out, can’t even bare to tell the young fella United are playing - he’s only 4, but he asks me today “ tell me when we have scored 2 dada”, days gone by you’d have belief - these day you know is over already.
Disaster, we all know well to take good with the bad as shit happens, but this is the worst I’ve experienced in the 30-35 years I can remember.
Club is rotten from top to bottom. I have zero faith in Ineos. Glazers still able to hang on in there - truly fecked we are as things stand
Disaster, we all know well to take good with the bad as shit happens, but this is the worst I’ve experienced in the 30-35 years I can remember.
Club is rotten from top to bottom. I have zero faith in Ineos. Glazers still able to hang on in there - truly fecked we are as things stand
Should have been Qatar. You all know it.
Aww damn, just when I thought you were actually talking some reasonable sense in your defence of Amorim you go and ruin it!!
All that ruthless corporate dick swinging penny pinching has made a massive rod for their own backs. Difficult to project this ruthless efficency and winning mentality if your team keeps losing. I very much doubt they even countenaced that we'd be in the lower reaches of the table come the new year and have to face sticking on twisting on their bright young thing brought in to herald a new era. It would be obviously bonkers to sack Amorim, but it's going to make the Rat and his crew look pretty pathetic if we're limping on to the end of the season with winning project not doing the one most important thing. Winning.
This may sound kneejerk but, so far, nothing suggests there's a real long-term plan in place to make us a success.
When INEOS came in there was a lot of talk about game model and the club being modelled to play the same system. Where's that now? Are all levels playing 343?
We brought in Amorim. Can't fault the guy. Great young coach with a demonstrably effective philosophy. What have we done to help him? All the talk is about PSR and being unable to move players on. If that's the case why hire someone you can't support?
Not seeing much to back up the talk that INEOS learned from Lausanne and Nice. At their other clubs no coach has lasted long and there have been repeated changes at all levels. As well as pivots in strategy that would make you question the long term planning.
When INEOS came in there was a lot of talk about game model and the club being modelled to play the same system. Where's that now? Are all levels playing 343?
We brought in Amorim. Can't fault the guy. Great young coach with a demonstrably effective philosophy. What have we done to help him? All the talk is about PSR and being unable to move players on. If that's the case why hire someone you can't support?
Not seeing much to back up the talk that INEOS learned from Lausanne and Nice. At their other clubs no coach has lasted long and there have been repeated changes at all levels. As well as pivots in strategy that would make you question the long term planning.
The window hasn’t even opened yet, so how do you expect the board to help him? Let’s wait and see what happens in January. If Rashford goes then we need to get a replacement.
We were never going to get back to the top with Ineos. I just hope that they don’t get full ownership.
Should have been Rupert Murdoch, Michael Knighton and the Finnish dude who wanted us all to have a say, the big crazy.
Right enough. When Ineos took over, I wasn't expecting a quick fix and am unsure, past some sad Qatari twerking, who thought any takeover would be.
Ineos' woe is much like the current Labour Party. Finally, belatedly, after many iterations, changes, philosophies and much infighting do they get it over the line.
They initiate changes, with glowering PR to usher in the brave new world. However, they cannot alleviate the disastrous decade plus of mismanagement in five minutes, so they're as bad, somehow.
The main weight of expectation comes from outside sources who want us to fail, anyway. Any difficult decision is a betrayal of 'our core values'. A run of defeats 'just the start of it' (see Reeves' budget). Ratcliffe is a lame duck who doesn't 'get us'. The Glazers are omnipresent, like Tory policies.
Then, waiting in the wings, is a hard-to-far-right movement wanting to 'make United great again' appealing to angry, entitled, spoiled simpletons. A quick fix to complex problems.
There's absolutely no evidence this dangerous, polarising movement will improve anything (indeed, all available evidence points to the contrary) but, geez, remember how bad the Glazers was?
Needless to say, when this movement fails it will blame its predecessor and its hardcore proponents will either plead for more time, or abandon it wholesale.
Why? We have never needed to be a version of City or Chelsea, the money is there if it's just used properly.