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Former Man Utd chief scout Mick Brown has slammed Ratcliffe and INEOS as they have “been appalling”, while the takeover has been a “PR disaster”.

“I’ve been staggered and amazed at the attitude of INEOS,” Brown told Football Insider. “I don’t know where they learnt their staff management skills, but they’ve been appalling.

“First of all, as far as I can see, they’re agents of the Glazers and the first thing they do is make sure the Glazers and themselves get their money passed to them. Never mind the club, the club has to pay for it in some way.


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Ratcliffe is an absolute cnut. Along with the Glazers, I can't wait for him to just feck off.
 
astracrazy said:
Man United's 'Scrooge' co-owner Sir Jim Ratcliffe 'cancels £40,000 charity donation for legends'

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The Heil's article is light on details, but from elsewhere it seems like the money went towards things like funeral costs for former players who couldn't afford it, as well as gatherings to bring them together and work with local charities. Even better, nobody even bothered to contact them and let them know that they wouldn't receive any funding any more. The club just stopped paying.

It's all just a bit grubby and embarrassing really, isn't it? £40k a year saved at the expense of taking another dump on the club's history. I'm sure that'll turn fortunes around on the pitch.
 
Whilst I didn’t want (and don’t want) Qatar I’m fairly sure they wouldn’t have had such a negative effect on the actual human beings who work at the club. Or have cut funding for funerals for former employees.

Ironic considering their own worker rights issues back home.
 
What a vitriolic and parasitic old man Ratcliffe is. I want him and his cronies out as much as I want the Glazers out. He doesn’t get it and is as much of a cancer on the club as the Glazers have been.

I’ll be rethinking how I spend my money in the new year anyway but lining his pockets makes me feel dirty.
 
He'll spend more than 40 grand flying in from monaco for a match.

Miss one, continue the charity.

As I said before they took over, no one who makes it to a billion quid or more is anything but a bastard. Half decent people cannot do the things it takes to make that much money. Everyone who could afford us is this. Some are better at PR.

Having said that, it is silly stuff like this, loose change in terms of operational costs, that drag morale down into the crapper, and that will impact every level of the club.
 
Only if we knew how bad they are..
wait.... we do know how bad they are.. we already watch them in France.

We added another leech to our already big family of leechers
 
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Our players may be utter shite on the pitch, but that ownership still manages to embarrass us even further off the pitch.

We simply cannot allow this despicable human being to be the face of the club for years to come.
 
At the end of the day his ultimate goal will be to make himself and INEOS money. His goal will be no different to the Glazers. If he can't do it via increasing revenue whilst keeping costs stable, he will do it by reducing costs. The values of the club will always be secondary, as with the majority of corporations. What Ratcliffe is doing at United is no different to what's happening in many industrys, the tech industry specifically. He did not buy the club as some altruistic dream for his legacy.
 
flameinthesun said:
At the end of the day his ultimate goal will be to make himself and INEOS money. His goal will be no different to the Glazers. If he can't do it via increasing revenue whilst keeping costs stable, he will do it by reducing costs. The values of the club will always be secondary, as with the majority of corporations. What Ratcliffe is doing at United is no different to what's happening in many industrys, the tech industry specifically. He did not buy the club as some altruistic dream for his legacy.
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That wasn't what he said earlier in the year when he was on a charm offensive. He was very clear that he didn't care about making money from the club.
But as Sir Jim Ratcliffe met the media for the first time since his 27.7% stake in Manchester United was confirmed he was clear; this was about love, not money.

"It is a boyhood dream, but they never come true normally. This is the exception,” he said.

"It's ruled by the heart. This is not a financial investment for me. If I wanted to make a financial investment, I would buy another chemical company.

"It's very much taking on one of the great challenges in the world. It is a very worthy challenge and very exciting.

"The only reason I got involved is because I want to see Manchester United restored to where it should be. I might be biased but I believe it is the biggest and most well-known club in the world. It should be playing the greatest football in the world."
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https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakgar...liffes-manchester-united-love-will-be-tested/

And again when talking to the BBC.
How determined are you to restore this club to its former glories?

"It’s the only reason I got involved in Manchester United. It’s not a financial consequence for me. I make enough money in my core business. Only reason I got involved is because I want to see Manchester United restored to where it should be – I might be biased but I believe it is the biggest and most well-known club in the world. It should be playing the greatest football in the world, challenging for the Premier League and Champions League."
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/articles/cgl4431l53ko

Of course, only an idiot would have ever believed that was true and that cuddly old grandpa Jim was doing it all for love, but it's still nice to be able to directly quote his own BS in light of what's happened since.
 
Can't help but feel that all of the negativity coming from these decisions is affecting performances on the pitch. It must be miserable right now with people losing jobs and cuts like this being made, the players are obviously going to feel that too. Clearly that's not the sole reason for results but a more positive, relaxed atmosphere around the club would be useful.

Times have changed since the days of Busby and even Ferguson but their view of the entire club being a family should still remain. Ratcliffe would do well to try and understand that rather than just treat it as any other business.
 
I think INEOS was the death knell for the club. At least when Glazers were in charge they were unseen and unheard and really only in transfer windows did the shit come out with Woody and co.

At the moment with INEOS it's negative story after negative story and I don't think it will get any better.

I also feel the club is operating purely on the name alone now. The football is dead. I think we're one generation away from irrelevance and only the locals and die hards will be the ones going. Personally the brand of football attracted me to support them, not the name specifically...
 
LordSpud said:
I think INEOS was the death knell for the club. At least when Glazers were in charge they were unseen and unheard and really only in transfer windows did the shit come out with Woody and co.

At the moment with INEOS it's negative story after negative story and I don't think it will get any better.
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That is because we are terrible on the pitch due to making so many mistakes from previous windows, and so people are happy to lap up every negative media story about them.

All Ineos are trying to do is get the club back in the black again, which was always going to require some difficult decision, but lets be fair here, it is the Glazers that put the club in this postion, and not Ineos.

Some people would clearly be happier if the Glazers had just stayed, continued to buy some ill thought out over paid big named player everytime they felt the heat from the fans, run the club into the ground some more, and let Old Trafford finally fall down.
 
astracrazy said:
Man United's 'Scrooge' co-owner Sir Jim Ratcliffe 'cancels £40,000 charity donation for legends'

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Yeah, this is just pathetic at this point. The atmosphere around the club must be hellish and you can imagine staff being kept on a knife edge mentally wondering if they're "efficient" enough to keep their jobs under Sir Jim's Victorian factory tactics.
 
C'est Moi Cantona said:
That is because we are terrible on the pitch due to making so many mistakes from previous windows, and so people are happy to lap up every negative media story about them.

All Ineos are trying to do is get the club back in the black again, which was always going to require some difficult decision, but lets be fair here, it is the Glazers that put the club in this postion, and not Ineos.

Some people would clearly be happier if the Glazers had just stayed, continued to buy some ill thought out, over paid big named player everytime they felt the heat from the fans, run the club into the ground, and let Old Trafford finally fall down.
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It's £40k to a charity that supports former players that can't afford funeral costs, and they couldn't even be arsed informing the charity that they were going to stop paying. We've got fringe players on that per week.

There's other ways to cut costs that avoid them looking like wankers.
 
I feel like some people are taking the doom mongering bait from the press a little too easily. Who’s to say that £40k donation actually did happen but it came out of the INEOS pocket rather than the United pocket, and therefore the media spin it as ‘United are mean bastards’ because people will eat it up.

It’s the Daily Mail. Most people laugh off their stories unless it’s from one of their few legit journalists who you could count on one hand.

At this point, there could be a Daily Star article about how Ratcliffe took a piss on the Munich Memorial plaque and people would totally believe it and go apeshit.
 
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C'est Moi Cantona said:
That is because we are terrible on the pitch due to making so many mistakes from previous windows, and so people are happy to lap up every negative media story about them.

All Ineos are trying to do is get the club back in the black again, which was always going to require some difficult decision, but lets be fair here, it is the Glazers that put the club in this postion, and not Ineos.

Some people would clearly be happier if the Glazers had just stayed, continued to buy some ill thought out over paid big named player everytime they felt the heat from the fans, run the club into the ground some more, and let Old Trafford finally fall down.
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Whatever the reasoning about cutting 40K from a charity is, it has nothing to do with profitability.

Its 40K in a business with annual operational costs of half a billion quid. Loose change.
 
Mr Pigeon said:
It's £40k to a charity that supports former players that can't afford funeral costs, and they couldn't even be arsed informing the charity that they were going to stop paying. We've got fringe players on that per week.

There's other ways to cut costs that avoid them looking like wankers.
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I'm not arguing with this, it's just the overall picture that is been painted by the media and now alot of people on here.

The Glazers are the one who trashed the club in every way possible, but now Ineos are the ones getting all the stick for daring to trying and sort out the mess they have been left.

Also it's obvious that the media will only tell the stories, or the part of the negative story, that will get the fans riled up.
 
C'est Moi Cantona said:
I'm not arguing with this, it's just the overall picture that is been painted by the media and now alot of people on here.

The Glazers are the one who trashed the club in every way possible, but now Ineos are the ones getting all the stick for daring to trying and sort out the mess they have been left.

Also it's obvious that the media will only tell the stories, or the part of the negative story, that will get the fans riled up.
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What is the positive part of the story that the media have missed?
 
Nogbadthebad said:
Whatever the reasoning about cutting 40K from a charity is, it has nothing to do with profitability.

Its 40K in a business with annual operational costs of half a billion quid. Loose change.
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Just to be clear I wasn't responding to someone talking about this specific £40 k cut.
 
C'est Moi Cantona said:
I'm not arguing with this, it's just the overall picture that is been painted by the media and now alot of people on here.

The Glazers are the one who trashed the club in every way possible, but now Ineos are the ones getting all the stick for daring to trying and sort out the mess they have been left.

Also it's obvious that the media will only tell the stories, or the part of the negative story, that will get the fans riled up.
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It's a bit like the Labour Party, isn't it?

Angrier and angrier fans will change their tune about Qatar - an institution to the right of Nigel Farage...
 
If Ratcliffe really care about United he should have made it a condition that the money he invested went towards paying off some of the debt,.instead he filled the Glazers pockets.

And now has started doing their bidding and taking worse decisions on their behalf.
 
Mr Pigeon said:
Yeah, this is just pathetic at this point. The atmosphere around the club must be hellish and you can imagine staff being kept on a knife edge mentally wondering if they're "efficient" enough to keep their jobs under Sir Jim's Victorian factory tactics.
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Morale is at all time low and maybe this could be a contributing factor to our diabolical performances on the pitch.
 
gulli_G said:
If Ratcliffe really care about United he should have made it a condition that the money he invested went towards paying off some of the debt,.instead he filled the Glazers pockets.

And now has started doing their bidding and taking worse decisions on their behalf.
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It may have been that the Glazers would not have agreed to such an arrangement. They were not exactly negotiating from a position of weakness.
 
Crostien said:
The Glazers would likely just play them like a fiddle if they regurgitated their state bid.

After Jassim revealed they had consent money (regeneration of local area to woo council) to lure the unconscionable, the Glazers, with some justification, thought they'd play Qatar for a solid chunk of this money.

As of now, the Glazers have no reason to sell so Qatar's state bid will have to be significantly more than previous. Advantage Glazers.

You have to hand it to them, really. Not only have they filled their boots, they've sullied the righteousness of the 'Glazer Out' brigade as it's now contaminated with sportswashing.

Just so unbelievably pathetic. The Glazers must be laughing their beak off at it all.
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If I was a glazer I'd be shitting in my pants. The team is tanking, Ineos are struggling and our woeful financial situation is now in the open. If SJR pulls the plug on the stadium then they are fecked.

Quite frankly they should have gone for the big chunk of money when they could
 
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If INEOS really did this, they come across as a bunch of amateurs. Regardless of streamlining the business, exposing themselves to such a huge PR hit for an amount equivalent to the weekly wage of our 3rd keeper is astoundingly short sighted and downright idiotic. I thought the adults were in charge now.
 
Chairman Steve said:
Who’s to say that £40k donation actually did happen but it came out of the INEOS pocket rather than the United pocket
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Jim Elms is who's to say that, a trustee of AFMUP and a former United youth player. He confirmed that the last two payments due from the club haven't been received, and that Omar Berrada called personally to let them know the funding had been cut (after they sent a couple of letters enquiring about it). But hey, perhaps this 84 year old charity trustee is just a lying scumbag. Can't rule it out, right? Not if you're the kind of person who spends their free time simping for uncaring billionaires anyway.
 
Just pathetic stuff from an organisation ran by the richest man in the country apparently. The atmosphere at that club must be dreadful, nobody can be looking forward to going into work every day at the moment. Hope this is rock bottom, but fear it isn't.
 
Plant0x84 said:
The pant wetting in this thread is unbelievable. It’s definitely rivalling the ‘sack Amorim’ numpties in his thread. This fan base is broken.
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Its not. One has a history of huge success with his previous club, the others have had no real success to speak of in their previous football endeavour and have already made som rather huge blunders in their early days at United.
 
These 40k a year should come out of ineos-glazers pockets
 
You’d think a £40k per year donation to charity would be a tax deductible benefit to the club that would have zero impact on club finances.


I’m far more concerned about what is happening off the field than on the field at the moment, the club is being lost in front of our eyes as we’re all worrying about some dodgy results on the field.
 
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