Club ownership | Senior management team talk

Steve Bruce said:
I'm not saying your wrong or right, I don't know. But what are ineos doing that gives you the idea that they're running the club pretty good so far?

Just to be clear, it's not a trap question, I'm simply looking to learn, as I'm personally on the fence on how the clubs being run
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I fully understand your trepidation and it’s still very early days. But in the short time they have been here I think thus far they have sorted out the sporting structure, made good signings, and now hired a top up and coming manager. Some might say Zirkee ill reply 1) not every signing will work and 2) many of Liverpool signings didn’t work until 6 months to second season. So still early days for him.

Let’s be honest when ETH got sacked or even in the weeks leading up to it. Most of us were thinking interim until end of the season. If we thought a manager was coming in most of us believed in October/November it would be someone out of work.

Yet they sacked ETH with a replacement pretty much lined up and it’s what should be a long term project based manager. To see how well they’ve done look at fans expectations in days and week before ETH was sacked and contrast to what INEOS did.

I think they did fumble the handling of ETH after the FA cup, but at that time I thought he deserved more time so can’t blame the decision.

Thats just my early analysis of there handling. Hopefully they will keep it up and the people they appointed are the right people.
 
JediSith said:
Not sure of the credibility but surprised. I’m sure 100% of fans are not happy with some of the cost cutting measures that have affected staff and reduced funding or raising ticket prices. But as a whole the running of the club has been pretty good so far.
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I believe it was a survey done by MUST after the ticket prices were raised. Of course most fans are going to be unhappy with the club after that announcement.
 
Perhaps Jim can explain how increasing ticket prices will help us defend set pieces better.
 
The problem is mainly involved with bad recruitment over last 10 years. We purchase too much overprice players and overlook qualities required to sustain the competition
at very top level.

Most of players here lack intensity, easy to loose ball under pressure and always shoot no matter other team mates are in the better position.

Manager can say who he wants to keep and which position he wants strengthen but I don't know how many years we can fix the problem considering limit budget and stadium rebuild.
In addition, whether Dan Ashworth and Amorim are ruthless enough to kick star players i.e. Rashford, Casemiro, Bruno, Dalot, Martinez, De Light who are under performers out of the team like the way Arsenal kick out Obameyong/Ozil.

Actually, most of squads need rebuild due to bad recruitment and retention. Even young stars like Mainoo, Garnacho doesn't perform good enough to be starting XI almost every matches. To be honest, I'm not sure none of Mainoo, Garnacho, Hojlund and even Yoro will be really great enough long term. Each of them lack something that may or maynot be changed.
Garnacho/Hojlund are easy to loose ball, lack technical competency at highest level and lack aggressive fighting.
Mainoo is slow, can't control tempo and lack intensity, aggressive fighting.
Yoro is like Mainoo in term of lacking intensity and aggressive fighting.
 
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Most of the fans are still puzzled how Ed, Arnold and Murtough had the highest spent in world football in the last decade and ended up with this mediocre squad. It's unbelievable.

At least with Ineos, we are starting to see major changes. Watching Nottingham Forest game, we need years to undo all those mistakes. Hope by 2028 (Berrada's target) we will be back to the top of football pyramid.

We are going in the right direction with sacking of Ed, Arnold and Murtough. I still can't believe that we were run by these 3 clowns for more than a decade. We have been calling for their heads for years!
 
Yakuza_devils said:
Most of the fans are still puzzled how Ed, Arnold and Murtough had the highest spent in world football in the last decade and ended up with this mediocre squad. It's unbelievable.

At least with Ineos, we are starting to see major changes. Watching Nottingham Forest game, we need years to undo all those mistakes. Hope by 2028 (Berrada's target) we will be back to the top of football pyramid.

We are going in the right direction with sacking of Ed, Arnold and Murtough. I still can't believe that we were run by these 3 clowns for more than a decade. We have been calling for their heads for years!
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True. Yet people will blame Jim for whatever. As if he, Omar or Amorim can turn things around quickly after a decade of mismanagement
 
Can’t be too critical of Ineos at this stage. They’ve only just arrived. The Ten Hag decision was a poor one but everything else, like the manager, they / their chosen executives need time to prove themselves.
 
JediSith said:
I fully understand your trepidation and it’s still very early days. But in the short time they have been here I think thus far they have sorted out the sporting structure, made good signings, and now hired a top up and coming manager. Some might say Zirkee ill reply 1) not every signing will work and 2) many of Liverpool signings didn’t work until 6 months to second season. So still early days for him.

Let’s be honest when ETH got sacked or even in the weeks leading up to it. Most of us were thinking interim until end of the season. If we thought a manager was coming in most of us believed in October/November it would be someone out of work.

Yet they sacked ETH with a replacement pretty much lined up and it’s what should be a long term project based manager. To see how well they’ve done look at fans expectations in days and week before ETH was sacked and contrast to what INEOS did.

I think they did fumble the handling of ETH after the FA cup, but at that time I thought he deserved more time so can’t blame the decision.

Thats just my early analysis of there handling. Hopefully they will keep it up and the people they appointed are the right people.
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From purely the football side of things, I think they made two big errors thus far.

The first being keeping ETH on in the summer. That should not have been done in any way or form. The second being signing players for the ETH type of gameplan, like De Ligt. I do not buy that all these players who played under him previously or who are connected to him in some way were all club signings that just happened to miraculously have a past connection with him. Cumulatively those two things wasted a lot of money and about 1/3 of the season.

Had they replaced ETH in the summer, let's say with Amorim, and gotten some different players in, having had the summer to work on things and not have had to overcome a 1/3 of a season of poor results and confidence lowering events, we would have been in a much better position, I am sure.

It is not unreasonable to have some doubts about the football structure. We should not automatically assume that they are good just because they aren't woody and arnold. They have to earn the support of the fans, just like any new player or manager who comes in. If woody or arnold had kept ETH on, signed more players for him, then dithered in the season and sacked him when they did, they would have been criticized from all corners, and rightly so. INEOS shouldn't get a free pass just because they aren't the previous guys.
 
I highly doubt Dan Ashworth and Jason Wilcox until proven otherwise.
I do not understand why there're a lot of praise for transfer done in the last Summer. Let me tell you guys like this.

- Zirkzee 37M The guy who scored 11 from 32 in Series A and we're lacking goal scorer. He's behind Wout Weghorst in National team and would not be chosen in Euro/Nation league
if other players aren't getting injured. That should tell you a lot and I don't figure out why we spend money on him.

- Ugarte 50 M Specialist DM but we compromise other capibilities like progressive & forward passing, aerial duel and pace. (even amateur scout here can see check it by DataMb and
Whoscore prior the transfer) He's ok for squad depth but long term still need better.

- De Ligt 43 M He's pretty much Rashford and Mount in CB position. They used to be good or nearly good in early career and never reach that good again.
You should not ignore the fact that each big team (Juventus, Bayern) always try to sell him.

- Yoro 60M A bit of gamble for young talent center back. He's yet to show what he's really good at. But I'm afraid that he's another chill guy who's lack of intensity/aggressive in his game based on his personality and expression. So, lacking intensity and aggressive may hold him back to be top defender. Anyway, it's really expensive bet for young CB.

- Mazraoui 17M He's the only one I'm ok with the price we got in the last transfer window.

So, how do you call last transfer window the successful one?
 
So this new backroom super team were confident to give ETH another year, another big budget to play with but then they sack him (while paying a reported £16 million in compensation) because, like the previous season showed, he was clearly out of his depth.

Then they go out and bring in the next big thing in the coaching /management world, which also cost roughly 8/10 million, but fail to realise that United currently don't have the personal that fits his setup, with the emphasis on attacking wingbacks.

So having blown away stupid amounts of money in the summer on the mere hope that ETH could turn it around, spoiler alert : He couldn't , find themselves, to the surprise of no one, skint and unable to financially back the new coach in the upcoming window where the team and coach desperately need reinforcements.

United are floundering in the league.
Very little optimism on the current squad in achieving nothing more than another mediocre, unspiring league campaign.
We seem to be in yet another, and likely, expensive transition period, which is getting seriously tedious at this point.
The players are yet again uncertain of thier futures, even ones who've recently just been brought in. But, to be fair, thier futures would look a little more comfortable if they didn't continually stink out the place.
And to top it off, the new ownership thought it was then a great idea to raise ticket prices.

To say I'm skeptical regarding Uniteds future under RatBoy and Captain Bicycle would be a fecking understatement.
 
Owners that failed miserably at Nice and Lausanne continue the fiesta at Manchester United.

Who could have possibly foreseen this? :lol:
 
Escobar said:
Yet people will blame Jim for whatever. As if he, Omar or Amorim can turn things around quickly after a decade of mismanagement
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This is becoming a get out of jail free card for SJR and INEOS. I was totally in favour of this route as opposed to the Qataris, but they should be measured by what THEY do not what has come before. So far it’s a mixed bag at best, and the Ashworth exit puts a real negative slant on this season. It’s becoming a pretty inauspicious start for their reign.
 
Turns out promising to spend big and actually spending big are totally different things. Cheapskate brexiteer doing cheapskate brexit things. No wonder he got on so well with the glazers he is basically Woodward lite.
 
Is there any mileage in thinking Ratcliffe is not too fussed in making us better until he has taken more ownership of the club?

Knock the club down a bit more, bomb the shareprice, and then buy up a much higher percentage.

I thought it was quite interesting that he was saying how wonderful the Glazers were yesterday in his interview, they love the club, and are great guys apparently. He said similar before his part takeover, and he's saying it for a reason, as there is no way he will actually mean this.
 
C'est Moi Cantona said:
Is there any mileage in thinking Ratcliffe is not too fussed in making us better until he has taken more ownership of the club?
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I doubt it, personally. His ego and reputation as well as that of his business is already taking a battering. He won’t be enjoying that. Whatever has gone on since the summer has been squarely at the hands of INEOS, and is reported as such.
 
It was always a worry that Nice fans are almost unanimous in calling INEOS the worst owners they've ever had.

Look at their forums; they talk about them as badly or worse than we do the Glazers.
 
Multiple sources, speaking anonymously like others in this story to protect relationships, say United instigated the separation. The club say the final agreement to end Ashworth’s contract was mutual.
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https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5972334/2024/12/08/manchester-united-dan-ashworth-leaves/

So we sacked him, but the "club line" is "mutual agreement". Just speak to us normally. He's going after 5 months, he was probably on gardening leave longer. If they want to make whiplash changes at least tell us why,
 
Cloud7 said:
From purely the football side of things, I think they made two big errors thus far.

The first being keeping ETH on in the summer. That should not have been done in any way or form. The second being signing players for the ETH type of gameplan, like De Ligt. I do not buy that all these players who played under him previously or who are connected to him in some way were all club signings that just happened to miraculously have a past connection with him. Cumulatively those two things wasted a lot of money and about 1/3 of the season.

Had they replaced ETH in the summer, let's say with Amorim, and gotten some different players in, having had the summer to work on things and not have had to overcome a 1/3 of a season of poor results and confidence lowering events, we would have been in a much better position, I am sure.

It is not unreasonable to have some doubts about the football structure. We should not automatically assume that they are good just because they aren't woody and arnold. They have to earn the support of the fans, just like any new player or manager who comes in. If woody or arnold had kept ETH on, signed more players for him, then dithered in the season and sacked him when they did, they would have been criticized from all corners, and rightly so. INEOS shouldn't get a free pass just because they aren't the previous guys.
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vva said:
I highly doubt Dan Ashworth and Jason Wilcox until proven otherwise.
I do not understand why there're a lot of praise for transfer done in the last Summer. Let me tell you guys like this.

- Zirkzee 37M The guy who scored 11 from 32 in Series A and we're lacking goal scorer. He's behind Wout Weghorst in National team and would not be chosen in Euro/Nation league
if other players aren't getting injured. That should tell you a lot and I don't figure out why we spend money on him.

- Ugarte 50 M Specialist DM but we compromise other capibilities like progressive & forward passing, aerial duel and pace. (even amateur scout here can see check it by DataMb and
Whoscore prior the transfer) He's ok for squad depth but long term still need better.

- De Ligt 43 M He's pretty much Rashford and Mount in CB position. They used to be good or nearly good in early career and never reach that good again.
You should not ignore the fact that each big team (Juventus, Bayern) always try to sell him.

- Yoro 60M A bit of gamble for young talent center back. He's yet to show what he's really good at. But I'm afraid that he's another chill guy who's lack of intensity/aggressive in his game based on his personality and expression. So, lacking intensity and aggressive may hold him back to be top defender. Anyway, it's really expensive bet for young CB.

- Mazraoui 17M He's the only one I'm ok with the price we got in the last transfer window.

So, how do you call last transfer window the successful one?
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Would not have surprised me in the slightest if this was the main reason. The signings and new contract for ETH.

They chose to inexplicably keep ETH and then again let him have a major say in signings.

The club is now 13th, has wasted millions (again). Maybe Jim has a zero tolerance policy. There’s no second chances.

I agree with you completely @vva . I and many others questioned these signings back when they were made and I’m not being paid hundreds of thousands to make those decisions. I think when it’s clear man united fans off redcafe have better football knowledge then people being hired by Manchester United year in year out, there’s a massive problem there.

I’ve not seen Yoro play before so I’ll hold judgment on him but what I will do is actually take note of your opinion. As opposed to shouting you down (something people on here do when you question a signing early on as if that said player signed has never played football before joining United)
Thats £170 million plus however much ETH was paid. And this is what we have to show for it.

This is probably why Ashworth is now jobless.
 
I am astounded that the people behind Nice and Lausanne’s meteoric rise to mid table have struggled to run Manchester United.
 
I believe Vivell was an Ashworth driven hire based on remembering press releases so it’s not silly to assume he might be leaving too if that was true.
 
Jimbo may not be related to the Glazers by blood, but it's hard to tell. Cheap and bad at running a football club
 
I am all for ruthless owner but Jim is going too far in that. He says that our team is mediocre. Maybe it is but you can't say that as an owner ffs.
 
top1whoisman said:
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Tin foil hat on: Jimmy's plan is it make it far far worse so as to force the Glazers to sell more of the club, either a full sale or at least so much that they become minority owners without any say in the working of the club. He is going to go to them and say, look this thing is a far bigger mess then we imagined and it's going to take billions and billions to bring it back up top. So, either get ready to invest or it would be in your best interest to get out while the price is still high.
 
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