Club ownership | Senior management team talk

daba said:
Sharing flights happens all the time - read the X link above. Media just spinning it into a negative story about Utd, even though it’s Man City that should be the ones looking bad in the situation - don’t be succumbed by the media mate.
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Ok thanks for clarification
 
daba said:
Sharing flights happens all the time - read the X link above. Media just spinning it into a negative story about Utd, even though it’s Man City that should be the ones looking bad in the situation - don’t be succumbed by the media mate.
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Why should City look bad? The flight was full
 
Gandalf Greyhame said:
There were ways you could give them the benefit of doubt over the summer, if you really wanted to. Judgement mitigated by injuries, transition, management team still assembling, squad quality. Maybe a proper chance with a better squad for EtH.

Conventional footballing wisdom clearly said it was madness to keep a manager who finished 8th, but you could give the owners a pass over the summer.

There is simply no way to give them any benefit of the doubt now. If it isn't apparent to everyone, they are spectacularly failing at their job. They talked the big talk about improving the footballing side of things, they have been worse than the Glazers so far.
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At this rate glazers will be buying back INEOS shares for a discount.
 
Hoping at least one of Everton or Leicester win on Saturday to drop us down to 15th/16th, ideally both then maybe the seriousness will finally dawn on them.
 
If this seemingly dragged out affair with ETH still being here was due to us negotiating with Amorim and Sporting over the past few weeks, then fair enough.
 
Chairman Steve said:
If this seemingly dragged out affair with ETH still being here was due to us negotiating with Amorim and Sporting over the past few weeks, then fair enough.
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Also, their whole message has been everyone starts from scratch - most people can't seem to look at this season in isolation though. If he was a new hire and had promise, this is about when he'd likely have been sacked.
 
Sacked Ten Hag on Monday, exclusive talks for Amorim that evening, officially confirmed Amorim by Friday. As efficient as it could be, really.
 
Great appointment but imagine we did this in the summer. We need to break the cycle of waiting until the fire spreads to the whole house before we take action. The FA Cup would have also provided Ten Hag with a dignified way to bow out too.
 
Malons said:
Great appointment but imagine we did this in the summer. We need to break the cycle of waiting until the fire spreads to the whole house before we take action. The FA Cup would have also provided Ten Hag with a dignified way to bow out too.
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As annoying as it is from the outside, it's kinda understandable considering all the changes internally that were happening.
The brain trust have only been in position properly for 3 months. So for continuity it made sense to stick with him, plus he'd just won the FA Cup, plus the majority of United fans were behind him.

They've taken time, reviewed and got someone in they believe (I would hope) that is the right man for the project.

I don't think ETH deserved to stay beyond the FA Cup final but I get why they did it.
 
Well done on the executive team in how they handled the sacking and how wonderfully fast they managed the new hiring. Great stuff!
 
I was starting to have serious doubts about them - I was strongly against keeping EtH on past the end of last season.
It's been proven a mistake but they've acted decisively. It's from now - now they have their own man in place - that the INEOS structure can thoroughly be judged.
 
AndySmith1990 said:
There can't be any excuses anymore. The new structure is complete, it's time to start seeing an upswing in performance - although this season can be seen as a period of grace, considering how badly it's started
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Takes time to get results. Reality is we're behind and top clubs ahead of us are more stable and ahead in their process. But based on how signings and manage change was handled you can see clear improvements.

It was clear last year we didn't have right players, mostly due to clowns in charge before and maybe Ten Hag? The start to this season showed that despite injuries and good youth development, Ten Hag is horrible at man management and implementing tactics to maximize what he has. And unless he's given everything perfectly he won't succeed. At which point they cut the cord and replaced him swiftly with someone who can do all 3 aspects: develop youth, manage a squad, and deliver a winning product on field
 
AndySmith1990 said:
There can't be any excuses anymore. The new structure is complete, it's time to start seeing an upswing in performance - although this season can be seen as a period of grace, considering how badly it's started
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I honestly just want to see something different tactically, even if it doesn't end up working.

There's nothing more pointless, in hindsight, than many previous seasons where we've just played some variation of the football Mou brought in so many years ago, even ETH first season (a season often heralded as a good one) was just treading water, any half decent coach can setup an expensive team with a double pivot and to counter but it doesn't lead to getting close to a PL or CL.

Even though it failed miserably, at least ETH tried to implement something more modern and based on aggressive pressing. That really should be our hope; a new manager comes in, puts their style onto the team, then you back them or sack them. Had ETH stuck to his guns after that awful start vs Brentford/Brighton all those years ago, he'd either have forced his style onto the team and addressed the terrible start (unlikely seeing how it ended) or been sacked later that season and a new manager would have come in and had the chance to try something.

Let's see this 3 at the back malarky, see how we evolve over the space of the season and then start to form opinions on Amorim.
 
AndySmith1990 said:
There can't be any excuses anymore. The new structure is complete, it's time to start seeing an upswing in performance - although this season can be seen as a period of grace, considering how badly it's started
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Still in all cup competitions and the league is far from over. Qualifying from some European competition in the PL and winning the EL has to be the target now. A performance uplift has to happen fast (results might follow/stabilize later).
 
Malons said:
Great appointment but imagine we did this in the summer. We need to break the cycle of waiting until the fire spreads to the whole house before we take action. The FA Cup would have also provided Ten Hag with a dignified way to bow out too.
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It does seem like wasted time, but on the other hand, they had just started finalising the leadership team and were tasked with deciding whether or not to sack a manager who had just won another trophy with us.
He also did have to deal with horrible injuries last year.
For me, I would have sacked him long before the FA cup final because my biggest complaint was that even with the injuries, there was no excuse for how truly crap we were week after week, but I can kinda understand the decision to show some faith in him.

The biggest positive for me is how quickly the next appointment was made. That's what we should be looking at. We can argue they should have sacked Ten Hag earlier, but just be thankful it's not our previous regime making the decision or we would have stuck an interim in place and just wrote this entire season off.
 
They can hide behind not having the structure in place in the summer, but deciding to stick with EtH this summer has been proven to be a big blunder, as many had predicted.
Also, difficult to understand the logic of deciding to stick with EtH if Amorin was their choice of candidate in waiting. The guy was clearly available in the summer and would have saved us £ and heartache if they were decisive in the summer.
 
Abhinav said:
They can hide behind not having the structure in place in the summer, but deciding to stick with EtH this summer has been proven to be a big blunder, as many had predicted.
Also, difficult to understand the logic of deciding to stick with EtH if Amorin was their choice of candidate in waiting. The guy was clearly available in the summer and would have saved us £ and heartache if they were decisive in the summer.
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Amorim's release clause was more than double in the summer. I don't think it was necessary to trigger Ten Hag's extension, however, so could have saved some cash there.
 
Feck it, they get a clean slate as far as I'm concerned.

The structure is complete and all their own people are now in place. This overhaul is what we've all been crying out for for years. Let's have a bit of optimism and judge from this point onwards
 
What are the odds we'll be getting leaks tomorrow about why these players are "hurt and angry" about Ratcliffe's comments?
 
Shane88 said:
What are the odds we'll be getting leaks tomorrow about why these players are "hurt and angry" about Ratcliffe's comments?
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Zero, it's one thing being snide with a manager who you can pull the rug from but the owner? Doesn't happen.
 
Shane88 said:
What are the odds we'll be getting leaks tomorrow about why these players are "hurt and angry" about Ratcliffe's comments?
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Would you want the owner where you work bad mouthing you and your colleagues in public?
 
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