A loan still costs money though!
Say we got someone in and they too turned out to be crap, then again INEOS would be slandered for wasting money. They can't win.
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Say we got someone in and they too turned out to be crap, then again INEOS would be slandered for wasting money. They can't win.
As far as I'm concerned they have no other choice.
The club briefs news externally for a reason. By definition, it's public relations. In this case, trying to communicate to the fans to temper their expectations given our dire financial state.
I am not sure fans want to believe the mess we are in. We have heard these stories before but Woodward and Co would pull money from somewhere and make big signings, the trouble is in pacifying the fans they were dropping us into the abyss. It is going to take a few years to get out of it. We are going to need to be more careful with fees and wages, which looking at the Dorgu signing that might be starting. Maybe we actually need to develop our kids better as well. We all watch these games and rave about this kid and that kid. Well maybe we have to actually make more of them into first team players or at least if selling them, make them into players we can get a really good fee for. Something is seriously lacking in that regards. I am not expecting loads to go into the first team, but it could be more, but there should be more bringing a higher fee because they go to better teams.
That the exact definition of shoe strings budget. We are Man Utd! Come on!
The narrative will change to something else. It's not a new technique, its used in politics all the time.
Yes, may be the finances are tight. However, getting a player on loan wouldn't have altered them so much. We let two attacking players leave in the window without getting one and it is suggested that we were scrambling around trying to get someone on loan. So, how did it change to purely finances now? Why did we pursue players on loan if finances were tight and not getting one would have been better for our summer window?
There is another way to ease the finances, i.e. to clear some of the debt on club from a LBO 20 years back. Maybe the new "best in class" team should clear some of that to improve our precarious financial condition.
What you on about? We spunk money far too often. I'm glad they've shown some restraint.
This is the sort of mentality that has held us back for so long.
No one gives a feck that we're Man Utd. That saying was around when we were the best in the country, when we could buy literally anyone and they'd jump at the chance at coming to us.
Nowadays, there's loads of other clubs with just as much money as us, if not more and are more attractive.
We have wasted over a billion and it was going to hit a road block at some point, especially without any trophies or UCL. We've now hit that roadblock.
Honestly, if Antony and Rashford have successful loans and that guarantees us Summer sales for semi decent value then I would consider that a huge, huge success. It's imperative that we sort out the squad and that means sorting out the deadwood and those on high wages need removing quickly. I know people don't want to accept it, but this Season was ruined as soon as we decided to keep ETH on, a decision that many people supported in the Summer.
I'm actually hopefully that we're turning a corner at this club because for once we're doing the dirty, nasty work of grinding through a tough patch without panic buying or removing the Manager. We've never actually done this before, we've never attempted to change formation and accept that results and squad balance will mean that we get a long bumpy ride. Normally we bottle it after a few weeks/month of bad results and revert back to standard shite United.
Actually feels like we're attempting to try something new and with that comes headaches especially as we're attempting it mid season. It makes me hopeful for United long term that we actually stand a chance of rebuilding through the mess of the last decade. Short term, it's going to be bad. We ride out this season until we hit the Summer and then we see what Amorim and the club can achieve.
Point completely missed
Or it's simply taking things at face value and reporting on the reality of the situation that we're in? Rather than PR Guff? As if you say PR Guff it's implied that there's some nefarious meaning behind it and we actually have money, but just aren't spending it.
I seriously don't believe the club are wasting time briefing journo's to simply write good news about us, it just doesn't work like that.
So Man Utd can't even afford to do loan deals? Especially when we so desperately need it. Ok. I rest my case.
Fair enough - what was your point? I think it's a sensible stance.
What would your reaction have been if we had bought another dud? Because the chances of that are high especially in January and with little room to maneuver in terms of finances?
I would hazard a guess that INEOS would be getting some harsh words from fans.
Quite frankly. Yes!
They can't afford to do gamble on loan deals. Look at Tel deal, we pulled out because we have no money to waste on another gamble, if it were cheaper we may have done.
But the club has to make smart decisions.
So what if we're Man Utd? We ARE on a shoe string budget right now.
Especially journalists like Ornstein who have reported all window that we are basically focused on the summer. Any striker we signed this January was always going to be a straight loan deal. We obviously looked at Tel and decided against it due to the £5M loan fee and while he is a talented young player, he hasn't scored a goal since May. I don't think he would've came in and made an immediate impact.No self respecting journalist is fluffing up situations to create 'good news' for fear of not having access.
PR Guff implies that it's being pushed by a PR company.
If anything BAD news would generate more traffic than good.
Fail to even sign a loan ST in Jan 25 transfer window when we could still win the EL to qualify for CL next season.
We also need to improve the league position and improve the results to create positive mindset in the squad ready for next season.
Throwing the season now will have more serious consequences on the squad and financial health.
- Kept ETH despite evidence to the contrary
- Spent a ton in getting him more Dutch/Ajax players
- Fired ETH which probably required a payoff
- Paid compensation to hire Dan
- Probably a payoff required after they fired him within 5 months.
- Paid money to get Amo and his coaches out of Sporting
January transfer window: Sorry, money is tight to get someone on loan.....but, there is good news, we'll be mint in the summer.
How do you like the plan?
feck off!
- Spent a ton in getting him more Dutch/Ajax players
- Fired ETH which probably required a payoff
- Paid compensation to hire Dan
- Probably a payoff required after they fired him within 5 months.
- Paid money to get Amo and his coaches out of Sporting
January transfer window: Sorry, money is tight to get someone on loan.....but, there is good news, we'll be mint in the summer.
How do you like the plan?
feck off!
If they aren't willing to change the trajectory under Ruben by supporting this this window, why not just sack ETH at the end of this season? Then bring Amorim in the summer?
Probably because there are too many people sticking their oar in and want to be top dog.
My point was about putting our clear PR directives to appease fans after the window, how about shut the feck up and get on with the job at hand. By the way no other top club does this foolishness, the club still clearly is more interested in its public persona than winning
This literally is not happening.
I have no issue with not signing Tel by the way.
My issue is with the consistent necessity to drive narratives through the media, it tells me the club isn't really doing anything different. Or do you not remember we did the same thing a few Jans ago with ETH when he also needed a striker and we put out the same PR nonsense?
Or when we signed Hojlund that summer and the PR nonsense that surrounded that and not signing Kane, or the 800 million RBs we reviewed when we signed AWB? How about shutup and get on with your fecking jobs?
Yes it is
I'm okay with it to be honest, it's exposed the squad and means we are going to get rid of more players than if he took over in July.
Bollocks.
They aren’t under Boehly anymore
This. Expressing dissatisfaction at these predictable and repetitive club briefings doesn't mean that we wanted a panic signing or that we don't believe the club is in a poor financial condition (it is).
I think that reflects far more poorly on the players than ever could on Ineos.
Ineos sacked the manager and bought out Amorims contract, how the hell is that writing off the season?
The fact is the club is skint, we can't sign as many players as we need in this window, but feck it. We need an overhaul and the best time to do this is going to be summer.
LWB? We just bought Dorgu and Leon will join in the summer. That’s two. How many more do you need?
Manager and high ups are happy with our window
And part of INEOS is up for sale
And part of INEOS is up for sale
We’ve lost Antony from it. Rashford hasn’t been on the bench so we’re not missing out are we
We've signed a LWB, and Quenda is looking very likely.
Attack is a big big issue. I actually think Mainoo and Amad as 10s is quite good, but we desperately need a striker.
I'd argue midfield is a more passing need than central defence as well. Bruno and Ugarte doesn't quite cut it.
Completely agree but fear you are wasting your breath on this one. A loan striker might have given us that freshness boot for rest of the season. Maybe it's just me but does seem some of the fanbase are overrating us in Europa just because we are unbeaten.
There’s going to be a lot of disappointed people in the summer, reading some of these posts. This is going to take more than a few windows to get right.
Whilst the level of debt remains high we are always going to be shuffling the deck chairs
Whilst the level of debt remains high we are always going to be shuffling the deck chairs
It's that fecking debt. It makes me so angry.
Do you want to bet on us playing 3-4-2-1 with the person who follows Amorim in as head coach ? We’re not going to play the current system at all with anyone other than Amorim and we are going completely with how Amorim wants us to set up, saying anything else is simply a lie to suit a narrative.
You do realise that most clubs use a data company or data source for helping with scouting or recruitment right ? Brighton and Brentford famously do it and extremely well whilst Liverpool have done it too, data and technology are now an important tool for clubs, Ashworth did it for England and at Brighton.
We certainly didn’t play a back four in the last game and Amorim himself has said he will play his system to the very end, Diallo went to right wing back whilst De Ligt came on to play alongside Maguire and Yoro.
Total clown. In the Guardian today, he said Rashford was United's finest forward.