It isn't revisionism. The guy was 21 with already 3 Bundesliga seasons with world class G/A behind him, and everyone was putting him in the top 5 U21 talents across Europe. Yes, it didn't translate to the PL and his attitude wasn't perfect either, but seriously, how much did you expect him to go for? If anything, it's you trying to rewrite history just because the transfer didn't work out. Sancho's age, numbers and status in the game justified a 73m fee.
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It isn't revisionism. The guy was 21 with already 3 Bundesliga seasons with world class G/A behind him, and everyone was putting him in the top 5 U21 talents across Europe. Yes, it didn't translate to the PL and his attitude wasn't perfect either, but seriously, how much did you expect him to go for? If anything, it's you trying to rewrite history just because the transfer didn't work out. Sancho's age, numbers and status in the game justified a 73m fee.
The problem with him was the astronomical wages on his initial contract. You can't make him your joint best-paid player, and he hasn't played a single game for the Club before. If he plays well, renegotiate his contract, and give him an increase. If he doesn't, you can at least sell him. Right now, ain't nobody touching him on those wages, and we will have to pay him to play for somebody else, as nobody will be subsidizing his complete salary while on loan.
Would've been a different story if he joined a well functioning, good team as well.
Or we take our time and still overpay for players and they end up shit after a season or two.
Ineos hasn't been decisive regarding our head coach. Either you fire him or you back him explicitly.
You're right. There were definitely people wanting us to spend over £100m on him the summer prior, Dortmund included. We probably would have done too, if not for covid.
Relative to the fees spent on other players before, it could've been a lot worse. Even compared to the Antony fee, it's not that bad.
We are going to end up wasting this summer transfer window and will end up starting the new season with half a squad as by the time this ridiculous managerial saga has been sorted all of our main targets will have been snapped up by other clubs and we'll be left having to massively overpay for a player we didnt really want or settle for loans and ageing players who are available cheaply.
Does feel like a repeat of every previous summer for the past 10 years.
The lack of concrete news on outgoings is concerning. The only one that has come up is Case but even so, a recent article (true or not) mentioned that he would like to stay or sth.
Really?!!The window doesn’t open for another fortnight, and the only managerial saga is in your imagination. Calm down!
Seeing names like Jason Wilcox and Doug Freedman thrown around, it feels like we're back in the early years of the Premier League era!
Brexit Jim wants to make United great (and British) again.
Wrong.
Why does it need to be repeated time and time again that the "transfer window" is nothing more than a registration period, and transfer activity takes place year-round?
The window doesn’t open for another fortnight, and the only managerial saga is in your imagination. Calm down!
The decision making and timing on the manager should be a red flag, doesn't scream efficiency and strength. Ineos have talked a good game before this window, I will be surprised if they actually deliver on a clear out and rebuild properly. More of the same, dog with different flees like Glazers.
INEOS started well, everyone gave them credit for coming in and making early moves with Berrada, Wilcox and Ashworth.
We also saw reports they want to be more efficient etc...
However; what we have seen in the last few weeks is indecision from their part, almost clueless what to do.
The fact that the owner refuses to speak about the manager totally, shows a total lack of respect.
It is not a good start from them this window.
We also saw reports they want to be more efficient etc...
However; what we have seen in the last few weeks is indecision from their part, almost clueless what to do.
The fact that the owner refuses to speak about the manager totally, shows a total lack of respect.
It is not a good start from them this window.
I swear some of you are AI because you've all made these exact same comment.
The window doesn’t open for another fortnight, and the only managerial saga is in your imagination. Calm down!
Transfers can be done any time of the year and there are other clubs already doing business and snapping up players while we are at a standstill because no one can seemingly decide who is going to be in charge next season.
If they sack him, it's taking too long.
If not, it's taken them too long to show faith in him.
Whatever way they go, they must resolve this situation soon so everyone will start to look forward. There are plenty of deals to be struck.
If not, it's taken them too long to show faith in him.
Whatever way they go, they must resolve this situation soon so everyone will start to look forward. There are plenty of deals to be struck.
What is taking them so long for the review? Berrada and Ashworth not officially on board yet?
Either way, sack or back him should have been made clear last week. It's taking too long for SJR who like to sell himself to the media that he meant business, going to implement swift and effective changes, decisive and whatnot.
So far, it's looking like business as usual under Glazers, Ed, Arnold and Murtough.
Either way, sack or back him should have been made clear last week. It's taking too long for SJR who like to sell himself to the media that he meant business, going to implement swift and effective changes, decisive and whatnot.
So far, it's looking like business as usual under Glazers, Ed, Arnold and Murtough.
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Wild prediction time
We're gonna see a fairly quiet transfer window across the Premier League and most of Europe.
Mbappe aside, you're not getting many star players moving clubs.
What's gonna happen is a battle to sign the "next generation" of talent. We'll see a few players moving from South America straight to the Premier League/La Liga rather than them having a couple of seasons in Holland or Portugal. Clubs will gamble and try to save money.
A few moves between Premier League clubs will happen after the Euros but nothing crazy like previous years
We're gonna see a fairly quiet transfer window across the Premier League and most of Europe.
Mbappe aside, you're not getting many star players moving clubs.
What's gonna happen is a battle to sign the "next generation" of talent. We'll see a few players moving from South America straight to the Premier League/La Liga rather than them having a couple of seasons in Holland or Portugal. Clubs will gamble and try to save money.
A few moves between Premier League clubs will happen after the Euros but nothing crazy like previous years
A transfer cannot be completed and registered with the league and FA int the window is open.
Just because we aren’t hearing much currently doesn’t mean it’s not going on behind the scenes. Therefore a meltdown like the one I was replying to is entirely unnecessary at this stage. The season wasnt over until Saturday just gone!
That couldn't be further from the truth. This guy is an idiot or just farming impressions, or both.
That's not a wild prediction, it's been reported heavily.
Prem clubs need to sell for PSR, European clubs rely on the Prem to buy their players so they can make profit. Unless Saudi bails teams like us out, there's not enough liquidity to make a real market.
Huh?
I never trust anyone willing to sit with the Glazers, we are in for a long pain.
He’s been given full control on the footballing side so I highly doubt he has to run things by people who don’t have a clue how a football club runs and only care about the money side of it.
Agreed. They’ve basically put them selves in a difficult position because even if they keep ETH he isn’t going to trust them and their relationship hasn’t exactly got of to the best of starts. They’ve left him completely in the dark and refuse to say his name like when they thanked everyone after the FA cup final win.
They've already fecked their first big decision basically.
As you've pointed out if they keep him now they've broken the relationship with him, also why wait this long? If he's the right man it should be clear (heh) already. Keeping him after so much deliberation is hardly a ringing endorsement or sign of decisiveness / a plan.
If he's to leave, then the decision should have been made long ago with a successor already lined up. Waiting until after the FA Cup made sense so to not distract our players/fans but it should have been announced fairly immediately afterwards.
Their story about the FA Cup win not factoring into their decision is quite clearly bullshit as well, as it's the only thing that explains they would have waited so long.
Alternatively, they genuinely believe it makes sense to wait until after the FA Cup to start 'assessing' which is fecking mental considering the state of the manager market and the fact there is a major tournament this summer. The 'truth' being the actual truth is genuinely the worst possible scenario in terms of highlighting their incompetence, lack of a plan and lack of decisiveness. Woodward-esque stuff, although even he never waited until June to announce a new manager.
Meanwhile our players and fans are kept in the dark going into the summer after the high of winning the FA Cup, which should have given us some momentum, belief and unity going into next year.
Despite all his big talk (and spending much of his time telling off/trying to sack regular staff) SJR seems to be flapping with regards to the big decision.
I honestly believe at this point they have already done Ten Hag dirty worse than Woody did to Moyes/Van Gaal (at least he just ripped the band aid off) and that includes if he stays.
Looking as incompetent or even worse than the Glazers with this.
Lets be honest, INEOS came in all guns blazing and made good changes on paper. When it came to making their first big decision, they have really cocked it up.
A man came in with words, talking about the fans, it is quite clear he does not respect the United fans either.
You are 100% correct, this isnt woodwardesque, he was really bad but at least when he thought there was a better man to take over (Jose) he had the balls to make the decision to sack LVG. This crowd seem to really lack any decisiveness.
It helps no one to wait this long. The review should have been done before the FA cup final, not after it. Now the manager knows they dont really fancy him and will probably sack him soon anyway.
The only way forward is to sack Ten Hag now.
The season finished a little over a week ago, anybody would think that the players would be back in for preseason tomorrow.
Transfer window isn't open yet, relax guys.
Transfer window isn't open yet, relax guys.
The big decisions that need to be settled soon:
1) ETH stay or back him? Get new manager?
2) What's our playing style moving forward?
3) Greenwood final stand and take swift action either way
4) Sancho to act swiftly sell or keep? This could affect moral of the team
5) Casemeiro to Saudi? To free up funds
We still have lots of player signing and leaving matters to deal with before next season.
1) ETH stay or back him? Get new manager?
2) What's our playing style moving forward?
3) Greenwood final stand and take swift action either way
4) Sancho to act swiftly sell or keep? This could affect moral of the team
5) Casemeiro to Saudi? To free up funds
We still have lots of player signing and leaving matters to deal with before next season.
Still shows a lack of decision and a lack of a plan. The window isn’t open but it is in over a week and that’s why the manager situation needs to get sorted so we can focus on the window which players we are selling and buying
Just because they aren’t telling us doesn’t mean plans don’t exist.
And for those calling it as bad as the glazers…. Give over.
So they’d rather have everyone talking about it which distracts the club/the players. Makes them look weak. They gave us all the impression that they was going to be proactive and decisive.
The club and players are on holiday or international duty. We don’t have a game until late July. What are you wittering on about?
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