He was not cheap and he was never worth 100m. He by the way good not hold down a place in the England team whilst he was at Dortmund the signs were there that he was over hyped in a weak league. There was also no justification for his wages and you cannot blame Sanchez who had already been shipped out. Revisionism if you are attempting to call him relatively cheap. There are not many wingers who have cost more then him in the game
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He was not cheap and he was never worth 100m. He by the way good not hold down a place in the England team whilst he was at Dortmund the signs were there that he was over hyped in a weak league. There was also no justification for his wages and you cannot blame Sanchez who had already been shipped out. Revisionism if you are attempting to call him relatively cheap. There are not many wingers who have cost more then him in the game
Another Arsenal physio?
Cross says he's regarded as one of the best in the game.
Don't mean to sound pedantic but he's just a journalist isn't he?
He's close to Arsenal so if he's hearing that then it's coming from them and it doesn't sound like they are happy about losing him. Pretty sure Arsenal's injury record recently has been good.
What people actually want is a summer where we spend 300million on the seasons equivalents to Pogba, Matic, Lukaku, Varane, Casemiro etc so they can claim we "won" the transfer window before 6-18 months later moaning about how sh** they all are.
Spending a bit of time actually analysing players to make sure they're a good fit wouldn’t be the worst thing. Even if that means missing out on targets.
I'll repeat my earlier point on another thread. If the summer ends up with us only signing 3 players but they actually end up having a longer term impact and are still here in 5 or 6 years performing well then it represents a better summer than signing star names and short term fixes.
Spending a bit of time actually analysing players to make sure they're a good fit wouldn’t be the worst thing. Even if that means missing out on targets.
I'll repeat my earlier point on another thread. If the summer ends up with us only signing 3 players but they actually end up having a longer term impact and are still here in 5 or 6 years performing well then it represents a better summer than signing star names and short term fixes.
Pretty much the same thoughts and we should only sign players under the age of 25 or 25 the most atm. We can't allow to get stop-gap options and rather take time and develop younger players with huge potential.
Why would we hire a journalist to be a physio?
Oh we have learned our lesson on that count, don't worry. What people just want to see is a sign that we are decisive and have already planned ahead for once. I wouldn't mind if we sign 3 good players who have the right attitude, work rate and can fiil our weakest positions.
Where I am most disappointed with them is the dragging of feet where it comes to the manager's future. He should have been sacked months ago but they delayed and now they are afraid of fan backlash so they seem like they will keep him despite not being convinced by him which will only end in disaster and another wasted season.
You’re being unrealistically optimistic if you think we can sign 3 good long-term players this summer.
Easily , if we have a plan.
For e.g. Braithwaite/Guehi,Olise . They are good long term options who would be willing to come.
I think the smartest thing they could do would be to carry on with Ten hag over their transitional period .
Regardless of what we have seen , Hag is a front foot manager , so on that level , I don't see how they can be that far apart in ideas of playing style and player purchases to suit .
Regardless of what we have seen , Hag is a front foot manager , so on that level , I don't see how they can be that far apart in ideas of playing style and player purchases to suit .
Where's the money coming from? We are still hampered by FFP.
I’ve seen nothing so far to suggest INEOS are going to be any different from the Glazers.
Dithered on sacking the manager to the point where he wins the FA cup and now fans are wanting to keep him, even though we had an entire season of terrible football.
Made no attempt to sign/loan players in January when we really needed a boost, particularly at LB when they let Regulion return to Spurs. We ended up with both our LBs injured all season and a third out on loan.
And they seem happy to play the long game with top level management remaining on gardening leave so none of these staff have actually come in yet.
From what I’ve seen so far I’m expecting very little to happen in the summer and they will blame the fact the staff haven’t come into the club yet. It will be another summer wasted.
With Klopp leaving Liverpool, Chelsea still vulnerable and potentially Pep’s last season this is our opportunity to strike.
Dithered on sacking the manager to the point where he wins the FA cup and now fans are wanting to keep him, even though we had an entire season of terrible football.
Made no attempt to sign/loan players in January when we really needed a boost, particularly at LB when they let Regulion return to Spurs. We ended up with both our LBs injured all season and a third out on loan.
And they seem happy to play the long game with top level management remaining on gardening leave so none of these staff have actually come in yet.
From what I’ve seen so far I’m expecting very little to happen in the summer and they will blame the fact the staff haven’t come into the club yet. It will be another summer wasted.
With Klopp leaving Liverpool, Chelsea still vulnerable and potentially Pep’s last season this is our opportunity to strike.
The same was said about that doctor we got from them last season. There's always a lot of lip service surrounding appointments like these, I wouldn't read too much into it.
Extremely disappointed with them after such a good start. As the saying goes : You had one job...
Good luck explaining basic economics on Redcafe!
It isn't just the Caf unfortunately. Most of the internet seems to be full of people complaining about the fact that everything is coming easily or being structured exactly how they'd like it.
On the other hand people you meet in real life seem to be much more realistic about the way the world works. But all forums now just seem to be a platform for people coming together to complain. A few years ago it used to be the opposite.
Strange bump, I guess, but this conversation is fascinating. People talking nonsense and combining it with being condescending is so interesting to me.
If basic economics is relevant on the topic of hiding salaries, then it's not because of a naive supply and demand chart. It's because the employers are using their market power to extract surplus value from employees by introducing and taking advantage of asymmetrical information, a market failure.
Its a bit hard for Ineos to do that when they only took over footballing operations in February.
For me they have(so far)
Appointed a top CEO from city.
Hired Ashworth and Wilcox who seem highly thought of in the footballing world.
Hired Arsenals top physio.
formed a group to work on a plan for the stadiums future.
improving the training ground this summer.
performing a root an branch reform of the entire club.
They are trying to undo 19 years of the Glazers mismanagement and are making good inroads in just a few months.
Rome wasn’t built in a day this is going to take 3-5 years.
This doesn't make much sense. So we should ignore the fact that ten hag has shown no capability to coach a competent attacking team but just assume he can
The Athletic had a piece over job cuts.
so out of 1112 we have 192 working in football department. Liverpool have 238 out of 1008. Arsenal have 163 in 689.
City have 201 out of 520 as playing staff, but would weird to count them due to CFG nonsense.
No doubt the jobs cuts are horrific but this seems on paper like a very bloated company as compared to other clubs.
so out of 1112 we have 192 working in football department. Liverpool have 238 out of 1008. Arsenal have 163 in 689.
City have 201 out of 520 as playing staff, but would weird to count them due to CFG nonsense.
No doubt the jobs cuts are horrific but this seems on paper like a very bloated company as compared to other clubs.
You’re wasting your time, the caf is mostly an impatient echo chamber and you’ll no doubt be shot down for daring to speak sense.
it was evident from day one this will take quite some time as it’s not surface level damage to the club it’s deep rooted rot.
Good post.
I’m surprised you have to even say this but it’s no surprise the Caf doesn’t have any patience (or a clue).
They’ve been here for 3 months and have actually done quite a lot.
Exactly. Saying that there is no difference between them and the Glazers is lunacy. Especially when all they can cite is a lack of January loan signings and transfers. You'll never be able to silence the transfer bores who just want to throw money at the problem, which is exactly what United have done for a decade with absolutely nothing to show for it.
This. It also makes ineos look so amateur which in turn strengthens ETH's hand
Can't believe INEOS went and replaced Ronaldo with Obertan and Owen.
All the cost cutting with staff etc. The early vibes I'm getting aren't great to be honest.
He's coached attacking football his whole career , so no assumption required .
The attacking front foot football isn't a ten hag problem , it's a United problem that goes back years . No manager has delivered it .
I've more faith that Ten hag will get to that quicker than ineos will by starting again .
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I mentioned before how much SAF rates Freedman. Here he is again last night with him after rejecting Newcastle.
https://x.com/mufcmpb/status/1796860859571990771?s=46&t=-CWsO3kA7ZeCOTYwtcOsQg
https://x.com/mufcmpb/status/1796860859571990771?s=46&t=-CWsO3kA7ZeCOTYwtcOsQg
I'm sure someone on here said they're neighbours, think people are reading into this a little too much.
Didn’t he sign a new contract at Palace?
Probably the most criminal summer we had at the club
But, they are amateurs as their record with their other clubs proves.
We have some relaxation this year. Can spend upto 150m without sales.
Doesn't know anything.
We should have hired him as head of recruitment
This is absolute nonsense and the cheek to call it revisionism is absurdly hypocritical. Sancho might have had red flags about him, but find anyone who said the price we paid was over-inflated at the time. The prevailing wisdom at the time was that we had done well to wait a year and get him for a decent price. His xfermarkt value was £130m at one point for reference at the peak of his value in 2020, it was still over £100m when we bought him. He was the 6th most valuable player in the world according to the CIES measures, so it wasn't just a single place reaching that conclusion.
A list of forwards who went for more than Sancho (non-exhaustive)
Felix
Griezmann
Coutinho
Grealish
Dembele
Hazard
Antony
Lukaku (x2)
Higuain
And Havertz and Pepe cost the same.
Considering his potential, his fee was relatively low. This was widely accepted at the time.
https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...-who-could-be-a-bargain-for-manchester-united starts with "Jadon Sancho is a £73m signing who may go down as a steal as his Manchester United career unfolds. Even before the former Borussia Dortmund forward pulls on the United shirt, his price appears akin to a Black Friday buy."
We can laugh about how he turned out, but the idea that we overpaid is silly.
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