They wont have issues bringing in commercial revenue now. They clearly do have issues bringing in commercial revenue to the level they have claimed (IE, more than Real Madrid, Barcelona, Manchester United, Liverpool etc) which is why we are having this conversation in the first place.
City and Financial Doping | Charged by PL with numerous FFP breaches | Hearing begins 16th September 2024
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They wont have issues bringing in commercial revenue now. They clearly do have issues bringing in commercial revenue to the level they have claimed (IE, more than Real Madrid, Barcelona, Manchester United, Liverpool etc) which is why we are having this conversation in the first place.
Possibly. It wouldn't make sense... I feel Liverpool have used them the most as a feeder club in recent years.
it could mean staying in the league for them, so of course it would mean a lot to any mid or lowertable team
The wording is quite clever
“The clubs who had been pressing hardest for action until Monday were some other members of the so-called 'big six' - which includes Manchester United, Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea and Tottenham.”
Read it again it doesn’t say which clubs have been “pressing hardest “ it just tells you who the other members of the so called big six are
Those leaked emails are shocking, surely those individuals will be in trouble with their respective professional body too? They’re qualified accountants and lawyers, should they be worried on a personal level too?
Definitely should be relegated to non-league. I can just hear Martin Tyler now…
It’s FC United of Manchester vs Manchester City and it’s liiiiiive!
It’s FC United of Manchester vs Manchester City and it’s liiiiiive!
The path to a City relegation is narrow. Again I don't think fans of Notts Forest are whipping up banners under the warm fuzzy feeling that City may go down instead of them... the coming weeks will tell
But another oil club invites this same scenario to take place again.
I'll be surpised if the punishment for this turns out to be more than a modest fine. Football is rotten to the core.
banners is of course far fetched, but who on the brink of relegation would just shrug their shoulders? The whole Tevez debacle at West Ham caused huge annoyance too
you can tell they’re innocent because none of their sponsors (who pay city top bucks, the most of any football team,) are threatening to walk. sponsors don’t want to be associated with bad actors or be seen as complicit in bad practice. the fact none of city’s sponsors have released statements expressing concern with the allegations or their intention to part ways with them, means city have been able to placate them and ensure them that nothing will stick.
Championship feels too small of a punishment because they’ll be straight back up. Should be League 1 or 2
I see that the caf's favorite neutral observer is putting on a masterclass in the art of spouting waffle in a most cocksure manner! 
Inflation doesn't make much difference to the obvious trends tbh.
https://public.flourish.studio/visualisation/1226837/
https://public.flourish.studio/visualisation/1226837/
Interesting that Liverpool outspent United in the 90s but our academy development gave us the edge.
When their finances are stripped away they won’t be allowed to keep their stars since they can’t afford them.
There will probably be new owners as well. The entire project will fall apart.
Even if they are big enough to attract new sponsors, who would rant their brand associates with this after a guilty verdict?
The longer it goes on the better, as the papers have said the uncertainty will likely harm them in the summer, and hopefully beyond.
A quick resolution, with probably a points deduction, or best case relegated, will allow them to draw a line under it, think they've been punished appropriately, and just move on.
The papers talk about them having lots of legit money because of all the players they've sold, and have to sell, conveniently not mentioning the fact these players have been paid for with the money they are alleged to have had no right to spend.
A quick resolution, with probably a points deduction, or best case relegated, will allow them to draw a line under it, think they've been punished appropriately, and just move on.
The papers talk about them having lots of legit money because of all the players they've sold, and have to sell, conveniently not mentioning the fact these players have been paid for with the money they are alleged to have had no right to spend.
So you find it hard to judge liars and cheats, OK.
They haven't been relevant long enough to grow a global brand like United and Liverpool, basically from scratch.
Sorry this is too logical.
Needs moar #Cartel.
Ironic that some are claiming FFP is a Cartel when an actual Cartel have been cheating and conducting fraud to bypass it (allegedly).
it’s because they have no fans and have never been respected.
There is no magic formula which says win x amount and you have x amount of fans. It doesn’t work like that hence the cheating.
Last year United sold 3 odd millions shirts, City barely scrapped past 1m.
What’s the going rate for winning a trophy? 1b prize pool?
look at how rich the EPL clubs are, you don’t need to win titles for it to sky rocket, it doesn’t seem to be an important factor yet City did that and then some.
Feck me we had higher revenue during our really lean years than Madrid who were winning 4 CLs in 5 years. Winning means feck all in the grand scheme of things
Sorry, which Club has been dominating the transfer market and winning unprecedented trophies through collusion? Hmmmmm.
"Why on earth would City have issues bringing in commercial revenue now?" I mean I don't even know where to start with that statement!
Well that was sarcasm mate. But you do think United were one of the main drivers behind the introduction of FFP as a means of protecting their position yes?
I think this point is taken as truth by a lot of people on here and frankly, historical success gets overvalued massively by legacy fans.
Then don't
Invest in player development, sports science and innovative coaching over a long perios.of time. Good ideas get rewarded.In 19/20 Brighton was at €147M revenue, United at €651M. Even if United stopped growing and Brighton growed by 10% per year, they would need 16 years to get to United's level. The problem for Brighton is that the top clubs are actually growing faster than the runner ups.
Let's be real, it is literally impossible to organically grow into a top club. You need capital injections for that to happen.
And now, that really my last post in here
What fecking positions are the cartel in England supposed to be protecting? Our EL spots?
There’s some drivel being spouted on here
There’s some drivel being spouted on here
They should've been forced to rebrand as UAE FC when the new owners took over. The real Manchester City "brand" died years ago.
Not just Utd- the larger clubs, the ones trying to maintain their positions. Basically the ones with most to lose from the possibility of oil money clubs. I don’t blame them - all clubs are motivated by self preservation and protection of their positions.
So no need to win trophies then? If you won enough in the past, that prestige will get you through decades of shit years? And conversely, you can't win fans through winning trophies and gaining more exposure? So if you were a small club before, you're pretty much doomed?
This is so counter-intuitive that all my mind is agreeing with you
English clubs are dominating the top 10/20 rich lists in terms of revenue and we don’t hand out 10/20 league titles per season?
The league brings attention to them.Really?
The champions of the most watched league in the world bring no attention to said league?
Winning trophies is really the only way these days to "gain" new fans, kids these days have a tendency to support whichever team is winning the trophies at the time they start following football
Exactly. We've not won the league in 10 years. We've finished outside the top 4 several times. This so called cartel are really not very good at their jobs are they?
City fans are very very worried. That thread on Bluemoon is foaming with fear.
I think this point is taken as truth by a lot of people on here and frankly, historical success gets overvalued massively by legacy fans.
Then don't
I can do what I like, thanks! I don't actually need you to engage with me, but I'll continue to point out inane statements when I see them.
I dont think that’s true. Success is quickly forgotten and confirmation bias rears its head the first time the winners fall again.
Look at Liverpool now. You’d never have known Trent has literally won it all.
Football these days is what have you done for me lately?
Not strictly related to the case but this is embarrassing and further highlights their irrelevant exsistence.
The Athletic cancelling their podcast
Imagine being the most successful team of the last ten years and literally no one gives a feck.
The Athletic cancelling their podcast
Imagine being the most successful team of the last ten years and literally no one gives a feck.
I think you have missed the point completely if you think it’s about historical success.I think this point is taken as truth by a lot of people on here and frankly, historical success gets overvalued massively by legacy fans.
Then don't
What happened to all the Blackburn fans from the mid 90s? Their shirts were everywhere , even in the south of England.
I grew up in the north of Ireland and my mate is still a Blackburn fan