I should have also added that when the team starts losing the don't stick with them they switch to the new top club. that's why we call them plastic and gloryhunters
City and Financial Doping | Charged by PL with numerous FFP breaches | Hearing begins 16th September 2024
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As I understand it after reading a bit about the background, it's taken 4 years for the PL to finally charge them because City have done absolutely everything to derail the investigation, ignoring requests for documents appealing through various courts claiming they won't get a fair hearing, various injuctions to keep it out of the public domain eventually ending up in the court of appeal in front of 3 of the UKs most senior judges who expressed dismay at how long the whole process has taken and ultimately ruled against City saying it was of considerable public interest.
They did exactly the same with UEFA,but this time there is no time barring and no appeal to CAS.No doubt they won't co operate taking it to the absolute limit legally and depending on the punishment appeal although that would mean a fresh panel not the courts.
I think they know their bang to rights on a lot of it,hence the constant delaying and secrecy tactics,so they'll just try and use every trick in the book to let it rumble on for years.
Horrible fake club.
They did exactly the same with UEFA,but this time there is no time barring and no appeal to CAS.No doubt they won't co operate taking it to the absolute limit legally and depending on the punishment appeal although that would mean a fresh panel not the courts.
I think they know their bang to rights on a lot of it,hence the constant delaying and secrecy tactics,so they'll just try and use every trick in the book to let it rumble on for years.
Horrible fake club.
You’re so bitter about United it’s hilarious….City have basically signed up to the same rules as everybody else, everyone else has abided by the rules and City have cheated every team in the league over a ten year period….and you can’t get past United. Who have been in the Europa for much of that time and won two trophies in six years. Cry moreI think this point is taken as truth by a lot of people on here and frankly, historical success gets overvalued massively by legacy fans.
Then don't
Who do you actually support? Because it's not United.I think this point is taken as truth by a lot of people on here and frankly, historical success gets overvalued massively by legacy fans.
Then don't
But how would City grow? They won’t gain any English fans it’s too tribal. La Liga fans and clubs hates oil clubs guts, ditto for Germans etc.
Where’s the scope for growth in a sport that has 90 percent of the fanbase hate everything you stand for? The big clubs aren’t big because of their main fanbase. They’re big because they’re a lot of lower clubs fans second clubs. They’re the team they root for in English football and is why the tv contracts are so large. Not only did City become so many fans of the most supported teams in the worlds rivals but became rivals of fans in 4th /5th tier etc fans as well
Even the glory is empty. They have nothing that sticks for City
Yeah, the mask has slipped over this
As an Arsenal fan have you already dismissed the legacies of your club, the achivements of Henry, Bergkamp, Wenger, Adams etc as overvalued?
It's funny how the innocent of all 100+ charges Man City need to do everything they can to ignore, derail and take out court injunctions.
The Premier League must have enough evidence or they wouldn't have carried on the investigation, I just don't have much faith that they will get what they fully deserve. Suspect they will get massive fines, points deductions even relegated but it will go to appeals in they will end up with like 3 points deduced and a massive fine and they will end up just carrying on doing the same over and over.
They've spent fortunes. I remember in 2009 there WERE some journo's who came forward to write what city were doing with them - 5 star dining, "gift' packages, extremely lavish treatment - but all the articles soon dried up and presumably most journalists (some of whom had axes to grind against Sir Alex Ferguson anyway) joined the pigs in the trough. Does anyone expect that they left any stone unturned when it came to corrupting people in football to their own end, given what we know about them?
"Legacy fans"
You really think a decade plus is enough for City to start from scratch in the international market, and position itself alongside not just United/Liverpool, but Madrid/Barca, Serie A sides that gained a lot of international traction in the 90s, Bayern, or even a club like Ajax. Those club's global brands go back decades, and then you have Arsenal and Chelsea, who may have only become big global brands in the 90s and 00s, but unlike City, they weren't starting from scratch in that regard. It's completely unrealistic.
You really think a decade plus is enough for City to start from scratch in the international market, and position itself alongside not just United/Liverpool, but Madrid/Barca, Serie A sides that gained a lot of international traction in the 90s, Bayern, or even a club like Ajax. Those club's global brands go back decades, and then you have Arsenal and Chelsea, who may have only become big global brands in the 90s and 00s, but unlike City, they weren't starting from scratch in that regard. It's completely unrealistic.
If I was an Arsenal fan, I'd say the successes of those players factor less than current achievements of Arsenal when it comes to figuring out expected income
I support people not standing up in planes as soon as the plane gets to the gate
Well your profile suggested you are, in terms of expected income of course not but that's not quite what you said - quote below
"I think this point is taken as truth by a lot of people on here and frankly, historical success gets overvalued massively by legacy fans."
Yes I stand on what I said.
I'm not saying it's not a factor. I'm not even saying it's not important. I'm saying that it seems like many fans of traditional big clubs overvalue it's importance. To the point that it's more important you have a "history" than be successful in the moment.
Trolling surely?
Why are opposing opinions interpreted as trolling?
And to be clear I mean fans of traditional blue blood teams in the league. United, Arsenal, Liverpool.
Using the term legacy fans is no way to be taken seriously. I've only seen 'legacy fans' used in the context of the corporate marketting waffle of the Super League about a new breed of fan or 'fan of the future' who cares about superstars rather than teams.
You seem to be using it to mean something completely different but I don't think it's what people will assume you mean.
Just imagine in a few years, us in the national league owned by Richard Dunne and Paul Dickov and United owned by Quataris. Oh, how we will be doing some winding up then
Only a child or a fair weather fan would belittle the importance of a clubs history. Shows you don't really understand the club and you have no emotional investment in the subject you're talking about
Can we all just take a moment to remember the Busby babes, Sir Matt and Jimmy Murphy again.
They built the club back up from the ashes through great coaching, academy work, fan support and grit , only to go on and win the European cup ten years later.
All this was done completely legitimately.
That’s what you call legacy.
They built the club back up from the ashes through great coaching, academy work, fan support and grit , only to go on and win the European cup ten years later.
All this was done completely legitimately.
That’s what you call legacy.
Liverpool Tenth with United having the chance to win exactly what they won last season, hell could be more if the season goes just right with us while City get relegated, lose their money and we become richer than they ever did.Just imagine in a few years, us in the national league owned by Richard Dunne and Paul Dickov and United owned by Quataris. Oh, how we will be doing some winding up then
Somewhere a United supporter has only two wishes left
Basic business and marketing. History has nothing to do with it.
I see that the caf's favorite neutral observer is putting on a masterclass in the art of spouting waffle in a most cocksure manner!
This thread is entertaining as hell
Have they solved the parachute money the relegated clubs get when they drop into the Championship? A few relegated clubs were accused of breaking the Championship's own FFP rules after they dropped. I think QPR was one of them in the past.
Or if City gets demoted to the Championship due to financial irregularities they will not be entitled to the parachute money? Then they would have to dump all their current players just to stay within the Championship's FFP.
Just imagine in a few years, us in the national league owned by Richard Dunne and Paul Dickov and United owned by Quataris. Oh, how we will be doing some winding up then
Dunne will probably drink what few bob we scrape off the floor as ADUG walk out.
This is so true.
I’d say United and Liverpool and even maybe Leeds will always have massive followings, their support is past down through family generations.
Flash in the pans like Man City will die away just as Blackburn have.
Flash in the pans like Man City will die away just as Blackburn have.
And so is City's support, they're hardly flash in the pans either, they won a European trophy before Liverpool ever did and at the same time as Arsenal won their first European trophy
Yeah, newer generations actually believing the memes that we have a historically small fan-base is one of the few things that grind my gears
Charlie Wyett channeling his Howard Donald earlier on SSN Back Pages Tonight
Winning isnt necessarily the “only” way to get fans. It helps a ton. But what if City wasn’t bound by FFP at all? They wouldn’t bother to care what income they reported. They could let people in for free; first come first serve. Maybe first concession free?
People might be like “no way, United til I die” for awhile, or just generally not care. But in age if inflation and recession maybe being Able to take your kid to a high quality football match for free is too tempting to pass up. Maybe then the kid starts asking “why don’t we support City? We go to every game?”
With ownership groups that are simply very rich you don’t have to worry about this. But with a nation state? Especially where “sportswashing”is the primary thing you want to buy anyway?
If an ownership group is backed by a nation state or ruling family it is t hard to discover beforehand. They simply shouldn’t have been let in; not because teams should be restricted in spending based on their existing brand, but because state wealth has a much dirtier capacity than just endless money (and they are the only ones with ‘endless’ money) . They can leverage a complete disregard for money..
I still think the thread title should be changed. After reading through the charges there were barely 5 pertaining to FFP directly. This is issue is MUCH more serious: it is Fraud.
The unknown period the commission takes while their fate is up in the air could be even more damaging than the actual result.
People like Guardiola whose brand and reputation have monetary value … if they were misled through fraud … they would have recourse in our country to sue.
If there are agents who helped secure contracts attached to shadow contracts … those agents licenses can be potentially stripped.
Will players come forward to testify to committee on shady contracts to avoid being dragged in for questioning and made public?
So many questions.
With all that money, resources, and power… the arrogance to lie so lazily… and the stupidity to commit fraud … it’s amazing.
I do not know if this is true in Britain, but here in America we have dumb people make the mistake of lying to the FBI. Their original transgressions would have been a slap on the wrist… the lying is a MUCH worse crime.
Same here I think. FFP would have been some periodic escalating slaps. The level of the fraud though … that becomes an actual law break… the cover up once again worse than the crime itself.
People might be like “no way, United til I die” for awhile, or just generally not care. But in age if inflation and recession maybe being Able to take your kid to a high quality football match for free is too tempting to pass up. Maybe then the kid starts asking “why don’t we support City? We go to every game?”
With ownership groups that are simply very rich you don’t have to worry about this. But with a nation state? Especially where “sportswashing”is the primary thing you want to buy anyway?
If an ownership group is backed by a nation state or ruling family it is t hard to discover beforehand. They simply shouldn’t have been let in; not because teams should be restricted in spending based on their existing brand, but because state wealth has a much dirtier capacity than just endless money (and they are the only ones with ‘endless’ money) . They can leverage a complete disregard for money..
I still think the thread title should be changed. After reading through the charges there were barely 5 pertaining to FFP directly. This is issue is MUCH more serious: it is Fraud.
The unknown period the commission takes while their fate is up in the air could be even more damaging than the actual result.
People like Guardiola whose brand and reputation have monetary value … if they were misled through fraud … they would have recourse in our country to sue.
If there are agents who helped secure contracts attached to shadow contracts … those agents licenses can be potentially stripped.
Will players come forward to testify to committee on shady contracts to avoid being dragged in for questioning and made public?
So many questions.
With all that money, resources, and power… the arrogance to lie so lazily… and the stupidity to commit fraud … it’s amazing.
I do not know if this is true in Britain, but here in America we have dumb people make the mistake of lying to the FBI. Their original transgressions would have been a slap on the wrist… the lying is a MUCH worse crime.
Same here I think. FFP would have been some periodic escalating slaps. The level of the fraud though … that becomes an actual law break… the cover up once again worse than the crime itself.
Maybe so, where I live I dint know a single adult who supports Man City, Just one or two kids.
it’s dominated by Manchester United and Liverpool with a sprinkling of Leeds and arsenal.
Where I live the only shirts I've seen are the United one I bought my Missus 10+ years ago and a Barca 10 with Messi on the back for my daughter - and that was mainly because at the time she was 10 and very messy!
Agree I mean if he paid the taxes.
What are theses teams to do with what City and PSG have done ? So PSG and City spending like crazy to kill every competition have something to do with this teams winning ?
It like trying to prove there is martians on the moon by saying there is water on Mars ! No logic at all.