City and Financial Doping | Charged by PL with numerous FFP breaches | Hearing begins 16th September 2024

Redfrog said:
What are theses teams to do with what City and PSG have done ? So PSG and City spending like crazy to kill every competition have something to do with this teams winning ?

It like trying to prove there is martians on the moon by saying there is water on Mars ! No logic at all.
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I think he is trying to say the large investment teams actually led to a broader scope of competition.

Which could be true.

But you are correct in saying it makes no difference in this case. I don’t know if PSG made the same stupid decisions, but intentionally committing fraud is a whole different level of offense from “financial disparity”.
 
Mickeza said:
Manchester United would be able to earn hundreds of millions more in revenue if they were allowed to sell their own media rights to all their games to Amazon fecking Prime. They aren’t allowed to do so because it would be unfair and make the league less competitive. Is this a legal cartel stopping Manchester United being competitive? You oil lickers can’t have it both ways. You can’t allow unregulated spending from states or owners who want to sportwash their crimes that results in one club winning 5 of the last 6 EPL titles on one hand but with the other say it’s unfair and against the spirit of the league for Manchester United to sell their own media rights - It’s hypocritical bullshit.
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United have always been a promoter of the collective agreement on TV rights, so have Liverpool, I think Arsenal were the same, those 3 clubs at the advent ff the PL era could have gone down that route and would almost certainly have achieved it
 
Red in STL said:
Where I live the only shirts I've seen are the United one I bought my Missus 10+ years ago and a Barca 10 with Messi on the back for my daughter - and that was mainly because at the time she was 10 and very messy!
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See what you did there! :devil:
 
Bluelion7 said:
I think he is trying to say the large investment teams actually led to a broader scope of competition.

Which could be true.

But you are correct in saying it makes no difference in this case. I don’t know if PSG made the same stupid decisions, but intentionally committing fraud is a whole different level of offense from “financial disparity”.
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We have seen how this clubs inflated the market so I don’t think it leads to a broader scope of competition. Actually it killed every historic club who operate on a restraining budget.
Now every big club is suffering to buy players. It went out of proportion. It is killing the game.
 
adexkola said:
So no need to win trophies then? If you won enough in the past, that prestige will get you through decades of shit years? And conversely, you can't win fans through winning trophies and gaining more exposure? So if you were a small club before, you're pretty much doomed?

This is so counter-intuitive that all my mind is agreeing with you
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You're missing the point, massively.

Sponsors will need to see balance sheets to prove that the team is a good choice financially speaking.

If City have built their reputation by using fake puppet companies, that will have a knock on effect [Fake company A invests a million, real company A see's that and is tricked into thinking "we could offer more for a more prompinent placement" etc] Then down the road, new sponsors will see their *true* value, which can hamper further sponsorship deals.

It's not like these companies will be happy knowing they were conned, and then sponsor them again. Hell If City are found guilty, I wouldn't be surprised if the genuine companies that sponsor them sue them too, gaining investment through false financial records is very illegal and alot of money has changed hands
 
sglowrider said:
:confused::confused: You not feeding her enough?
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She dosnt't live at home anymore but she's one of those that can eat what she wants and it doisn't make any difference, unlike me, her Mom or her older sister - it pisses us off!!
 
I wonder if the owners are considering abandoning ship at this point?

the entire exercise of cleansing their reputation for the past 15 years has just ended up in everyone thinking they're a bunch of unethical cheating cnuts :lol: :lol: :lol:
 
Red in STL said:
She dosnt't live at home anymore but she's one of those that can eat what she wants and it doisn't make any difference, unlike me, her Mom or her older sister - it pisses us off!!
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I know how that is! A whiff of chocolate and I can feel my waistline increase.
 
Tarrou said:
I wonder if the owners are considering abandoning ship at this point?

the entire exercise of cleansing their reputation for the past 15 years has just ended up in everyone thinking they're a bunch of unethical cheating cnuts :lol: :lol: :lol:
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I doubt if it's at the top of their minds. Maximising profits is the main priority -- and in that sense, they have done well for themselves. The opportunity was there, and they took it .. some 17yrs ago.
 
sglowrider said:
I doubt if it's at the top of their minds. Maximising profits is the main priority -- and in that sense, they have done well for themselves. The opportunity was there, and they took it .. some 17yrs ago.
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what profits are you referring to?
 
FeedTheGoat said:
Yeah, newer generations actually believing the memes that we have a historically small fan-base is one of the few things that grind my gears
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My Dad's family are all City fans, not really surprising as they come from West Gorton and St Mark's was their local church, my grandad refused to speak to me for weeks when I told him I supported United, he only relented when my Grandma cracked him round the ear hole and told him to grow up, I was 5 and did get it!
 
adexkola said:
If I was an Arsenal fan, I'd say the successes of those players factor less than current achievements of Arsenal when it comes to figuring out expected income
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So you are not an Arsenal fan? What’s your legacy then? Your line sounds like it was invented by an accountant for the Super League
 
Zlatan 7 said:
Maybe so, where I live I dint know a single adult who supports Man City, Just one or two kids.
it’s dominated by Manchester United and Liverpool with a sprinkling of Leeds and arsenal.
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In the US both Manchester clubs are often confused as one team. People will say they know Manchester United as obviously your club is massive and that your shirt is red but then they will go on to say that your manager is Pep Guardiola. It’s really odd. But I believe that really no one actually knows much about City outside of Europe.
 
SirReginald said:
In the US both Manchester clubs are often confused as one team. People will say they know Manchester United as obviously your club is massive and that your shirt is red but then they will go on to say that your manager is Pep Guardiola. It’s really odd. But I believe that really no one actually knows much about City outside of Europe.
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Where in the US do you live? I live right outside nyc and have never come across that before!
 
AttackAttackAttack said:
Where in the US do you live? I live right outside nyc and have never come across that before!
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SirReginald said:
In the US both Manchester clubs are often confused as one team. People will say they know Manchester United as obviously your club is massive and that your shirt is red but then they will go on to say that your manager is Pep Guardiola. It’s really odd. But I believe that really no one actually knows much about City outside of Europe.
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Robinho would attest to that.
 
Mickeza said:
Manchester United would be able to earn hundreds of millions more in revenue if they were allowed to sell their own media rights to all their games to Amazon fecking Prime. They aren’t allowed to do so because it would be unfair and make the league less competitive. Is this a legal cartel stopping Manchester United being competitive? You oil lickers can’t have it both ways. You can’t allow unregulated spending from states or owners who want to sportwash their crimes that results in one club winning 5 of the last 6 EPL titles on one hand but with the other say it’s unfair and against the spirit of the league for Manchester United to sell their own media rights - It’s hypocritical bullshit.
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Bang on mate.
 
Could we get a poll going as to what people think the punishment will be? My feeling based on what I've read is that they're gonna be relegated to the Championship.
 
Fabio Rochemback said:
Could we get a poll going as to what people think the punishment will be? My feeling based on what I've read is that they're gonna be relegated to the Championship.
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I get the feeling that City will somehow wriggle their way out of this. Especially when paying 80k a day for a lawyer to defend them. You don’t do that unless he’s the best available and can work the system.
 
If I were the Premier League, I'd be thinking that City's owner has pushed this potentially fraudulent behavior onto the club and is therefore not fit and proper to run a club in England. Thereby requiring City's owner to sell the club.

But we'll see what actually happens.
 
AbusementPark said:
I get the feeling that City will somehow wriggle their way out of this. Especially when paying 80k a day for a lawyer to defend them. You don’t do that unless he’s the best available and can work the system.
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Yeah still feels like minimum punishment
 
Sauxees Moi Hui said:
If I were the Premier League, I'd be thinking that City's owner has pushed this potentially fraudulent behavior onto the club and is therefore not fit and proper to run a club in England. Thereby requiring City's owner to sell the club.

But we'll see what actually happens.
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Yeah a Chelsea scenario of a forced sale
 
Fabio Rochemback said:
Could we get a poll going as to what people think the punishment will be? My feeling based on what I've read is that they're gonna be relegated to the Championship.
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£50m ish fine, 2 windows transfer ban, 9-15 pts deduction next season.

In short, a slap on the wrist. Worst case scenario for them.
 
InfiniteBoredom said:
£50m ish fine, 2 windows transfer ban, 9-15 pts deduction next season.

In short, a slap on the wrist. Worst case scenario for them.
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Definitely not punishment fitting the multiple charges,won't lose any of the top players either
 
Funny how people don’t seem to understand this. Title of thread is wrong, of course. But this is the actual league of which they are a member charging them. Not primarily with breaking UEFA rules, or FFP. It’s with cooking the books as regards paying Mancini and others, including players, repeatedly over many years. It’s about faking it as regards sponsorship. It’s their plastic selves that’s under attack. And clearly the other clubs are happy to see it proceed. They have referred this to an independent outside body. Now the thing is, lots of things depend on trust; shares, professional credibility; the competition itself. So the question now is: could Pep stay in the face of a conviction for fraud? Players? Owners? The premiership themselves are saying that their competition has effectively been hijacked, that the competition has been stolen from the rightful winners for a decade. Does anyone really think it’s just a couple of points deduction?
 
Strelok said:
Bang on mate.
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The problem is it takes two to Tango.

Whilst it is beyond doubt that if a club was in a position to sell media rights to its home games how much would be paid to the opposition? Would the opposition be prepared to allow their players be part of say an MUFC production?

Its beyond doubt that there is far more interest in Man Utd and others in the big 6 than say Bournemouth or Brentford . Ok the TV model is not perfect but allowing the clubs to have exclusive access to their own home games would be a disaster
 
Tincanalley said:
Funny how people don’t seem to understand this. Title of thread is wrong, of course. But this is the actual league of which they are a member charging them. Not primarily with breaking UEFA rules, or FFP. It’s with cooking the books as regards paying Mancini and others, including players, repeatedly over many years. It’s about faking it as regards sponsorship. It’s their plastic selves that’s under attack. And clearly the other clubs are happy to see it proceed. They have referred this to an independent outside body. Now the thing is, lots of things depend on trust; shares, professional credibility; the competition itself. So the question now is: could Pep stay in the face of a conviction for fraud? Players? Owners? The premiership themselves are saying that their competition has effectively been hijacked, that the competition has been stolen from the rightful winners for a decade. Does anyone really think it’s just a couple of points deduction?
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It will be interesting to see what happens next if the commission does indeed find against them.

If income has been overstated you wonder if UEFA will again get involved, will the PL then lay separate charges for breaching the PL version of FFP, will HMRC get involved, will companies house have something to say re false filing of accounts?
 
‘We cheated because we had to cheat to compete with the clubs that didn’t cheat’



City Defence Force grieves different.
 
terraloo said:
The problem is it takes two to Tango.

Whilst it is beyond doubt that if a club was in a position to sell media rights to its home games how much would be paid to the opposition? Would the opposition be prepared to allow their players be part of say an MUFC production?

Its beyond doubt that there is far more interest in Man Utd and others in the big 6 than say Bournemouth or Brentford . Ok the TV model is not perfect but allowing the clubs to have exclusive access to their own home games would be a disaster
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It's not that complicated. You might have a look at Barca, Madrid and their TV deals in Spain I think.
 
If City decide to go nuclear, the amount of people who are revealed to have been on the take from them will be the stuff of Hollywood - or maybe seen as too incredulous to be a believable movie!

The amount of people sweating bullets over this must be truly spectacular.

Has there ever been a bigger scandal than this in sport? Calcipoli looks like child's play compared. A decade plus of systematic cheating is going to take some topping! Perhaps the gymnastics scandal?
 
Judge Red said:
‘We cheated because we had to cheat to compete with the clubs that didn’t cheat’



City Defence Force grieves different.
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Should stick to formula one if he wants a soap opera disguised as a sport with competitive integrity.
 
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