Jesus wept. Talk about missing the point!
City and Financial Doping | Charged by PL with numerous FFP breaches | Hearing begins 16th September 2024
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Jesus wept. Talk about missing the point!
A city fan just called talksport. Wow. They actually are just like that blue moon forum. Talking about cartels and conspiracy theories and how life isn’t fair.
Just the fact we have Guardiola as assistant would be humiliating for city. I would love it!
Is the right answer. Followed by City fans celebrating that they were right all along. It's unfortunate but true.
This is not about FFP rules; though that is a small part of it. It’s different on a whole load of levels to UEFA case … this is claiming that the club failed to provide (or provided false) information around funding. It’s money doping. Some of the evidence behind the allegations has already been aired, re Mancini, etc. Another charge is that they didn’t Co-operate, since 2018, with the body charging them!! This is the prem league itself, including United, Pool, etc. They want blood. Every year the clubs sign up to this: sports arbitration has been signed away already. No statute of limitations applies.
Last point. If City were smart, or well-advised, they’d come out now with hands up and promise reform. But the problem with oligarchs, as we see in other situations, is they surround themselves with people who promise to get things done, to make problems go away. This might lead to them keeping obstruction going, keeping fighting, digging the hole deeper.
This won’t happen this season, but it will happen next year. In the meantime, the asterisk over MCFC just grew spikes.
Last point. If City were smart, or well-advised, they’d come out now with hands up and promise reform. But the problem with oligarchs, as we see in other situations, is they surround themselves with people who promise to get things done, to make problems go away. This might lead to them keeping obstruction going, keeping fighting, digging the hole deeper.
This won’t happen this season, but it will happen next year. In the meantime, the asterisk over MCFC just grew spikes.
You heard that as well. It's a conspiracy. Simon Jordan wasn't having it.
To reiterate what I said yesterday...
CITY'S GOING DOWN WITH A BILLION IN THE BANK!
CITY'S GOING DOWN WITH A BILLION IN THE BANK!
I had assumed the real life City fans wouldn’t be as paranoid and deluded as those on the online forums. I was wrong.
For fans like @Baxter who have no idea what the breaches are but will laugh at others.
https://soccer.nbcsports.com/2023/0...rges-manchester-city-with-financial-breaches/
List of breaches listed on here, I hope you see that Premier league rules K.20 is listed on there.
https://resources.premierleague.com...a4e95f2/PL_Handbook_2022-23_DIGITAL_13.12.pdf
Above is the PL handbook.
K.20. The height of the pitch grass shall not exceed 30mm and the entire playing surface must be cut to the same height. The grass shall be cut so as to display straight, parallel lines across the entire width of the pitch, perpendicular to the touchlines. No other form of pitch presentation (such as circular or diagonal patterns) is permitted
So please do your research before laughing at others
I’m staggered that someone thinks that grass length 10 years ago would be included in any charges now, and then claims others should do their research.
It references the rules as how they were that season. Orders have changed and new rules have been added.
They have not been charged with having grass too long in length.
As per the Athletic:
Rule T.12 states that the full details of players’ salaries and bonuses are set out in their contracts. Rules T.12 and T.20 are the same as Rules K.12 and K.20, respectively.
So enjoy your smilies
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He is worried and cannot accept the situation.
Where did you hear about City being charged for short grass? I saw a joke meme post on Twitter saying this, but not any genuine reports…For fans like @Baxter who have no idea what the breaches are but will laugh at others.
https://soccer.nbcsports.com/2023/0...rges-manchester-city-with-financial-breaches/
List of breaches listed on here, I hope you see that Premier league rules K.20 is listed on there.
https://resources.premierleague.com...a4e95f2/PL_Handbook_2022-23_DIGITAL_13.12.pdf
Above is the PL handbook.
K.20. The height of the pitch grass shall not exceed 30mm and the entire playing surface must be cut to the same height. The grass shall be cut so as to display straight, parallel lines across the entire width of the pitch, perpendicular to the touchlines. No other form of pitch presentation (such as circular or diagonal patterns) is permitted
So please do your research before laughing at others
I think this is the best we can expect and honestly, for City it might be acceptable? If they've systematically cheated for 10 years but have won 6 league titles and a bunch of cups, raised their profile/revenue, built our their academy, facilities and fan base then one year in the Championship won't be disasterous if they get to keep all their trophies. Yes they'll probably lose Pep and a bunch of their players, but they'll come up easily and can rebuild. The two problems for them will be the reputational damage and having to rebuild under greater financial scrutiny.
Also, the arguments against retrospectively changing results are asinine though, they're textbook examples of "perfect being the enemy of good". If they cheated during years they won league titles the purest view of fairness should be that they lose them. Do the runners up get the trophies? What about those teams that got relegated because they lost to them twice? What about European places that should have gone to different teams? All nonsense, it doesn't matter. Just because you cannot perfectly correct everything doesn't mean you shouldn't right the biggest wrong(s).
Surely they must lose every title they cheated their way to winning?
Is he hand in glove with City?The Premier League's lawyer
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You probably think you've been super clever here and had a great zinger... but the rules changed in the meantime, and k20 for the years of reference isn't k20 in the 22/23 rule book.For fans like @Baxter who have no idea what the breaches are but will laugh at others.
https://soccer.nbcsports.com/2023/0...rges-manchester-city-with-financial-breaches/
List of breaches listed on here, I hope you see that Premier league rules K.20 is listed on there.
https://resources.premierleague.com...a4e95f2/PL_Handbook_2022-23_DIGITAL_13.12.pdf
Above is the PL handbook.
K.20. The height of the pitch grass shall not exceed 30mm and the entire playing surface must be cut to the same height. The grass shall be cut so as to display straight, parallel lines across the entire width of the pitch, perpendicular to the touchlines. No other form of pitch presentation (such as circular or diagonal patterns) is permitted
So please do your research before laughing at others
What outrages me most is that the premier has taken 10 years and more than 100 breaches to open this investigation.
With all the money out there, the Premier League really can't have a team of lawyers to ensure that you comply with the rules?
There are many teams harmed by all this and irreparable consequences.
With all the money out there, the Premier League really can't have a team of lawyers to ensure that you comply with the rules?
There are many teams harmed by all this and irreparable consequences.
If they do not get punished properly you really do wonder if there will be a backlash from the other PL clubs. It will make the PL chiefs look extremely weak if they don't throw the book at them, especially when you look how Italy deal with any wrong doing.
i am loading up on strepsils today with the full expectation this will be sung for the full 90 minutes tomorrow
The Premier League's lawyer
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The Premier league after they strip City's titles
"You may remember Manchester City as a team that have won the premier league. What you remember, is false!"
Teams should vote to refuse playing in PL until the cheater is punished severely.
Anyone know how quickly this will move forward? Wondering if the possible points deduction will happen this season or not. Also feels like any delay gives them a chance to sort out a few things and even possibly sort out future transfer embargos.
I'm assuming that points deduction and transfer embargos is what is likely to happen and relegation/getting kicked out of the league is wishful thinking although I would love for that to happen and this disgraceful lot to be sent to oblivion.
I'm assuming that points deduction and transfer embargos is what is likely to happen and relegation/getting kicked out of the league is wishful thinking although I would love for that to happen and this disgraceful lot to be sent to oblivion.
And rightfully so.i am loading up on strepsils today with the full expectation this will be sung for the full 90 minutes tomorrow
Yea that was so strange
Embarrassing is definitely the word. Shame it wasn’t twice, or else I’d post that Pep “twice” gif
It will take months at least, maybe by the summer. This is not going to be a few points deduction and a slap on the wrist. This will be serious stuff.
In the most extreme cases of having some of their accomplishments rescinded, what was Juventus doing to have reached the same consequence ? Match fixing or what.
That's what I was thinking.
It would be like someone who robbed a shop of thousands and shot the place up also being charged with shoplifting for picking up a snickers on the way out.
Waiting for disgruntled ex employees and/or ex players to come out and add fuel to the fire. Burn it down.
i am loading up on strepsils today with the full expectation this will be sung for the full 90 minutes tomorrow
I read 'stepsis'
Think i need to go out more...
Thanks mate. I also hope it's a lot more serious than just a points deduction and the PL have enough evidence to prove all/most of the charges and take them to the cleaners. Definitely worth the wait if the punishment is severe.
Yes I'm sure that's what you're faux-outraged about.
There are several podcasts and articles that explain why they only started the investigation in 2018, and while it might be regrettable and probably the controls should've been more stringent, this is almost victim blaming.
What outrages me is that with all this cheating, they just about won four of their titles. By goal difference, 1 point and 2 points. Someone owes someone a refund surely.
Don't think they can really to that tbh. There's nothing illegal about related part transactions as far as I'm aware.
But what I don't understand is how these deals haven't been under the microscope for the past decade and a half. It's bizarre really. I don't know if it's a lax auditor, or just a complete absence of any regulatory oversight or what is going on.
I think the thing is, by this point city are a legitimately big club. While we'll all go haha city, they've had a decade of success in a league with massive TV revenues, how they got to this point, has clearly involved financial cheating, but right now I can't imagine they can't attract genuine sponsorships sufficient to keep them self sustaining
FA: How do you plead against this evidence we are presenting to the court?
Lawyer: Nobody Look! Nobody Look! Nobody Look!
What is the explanation for why the investigation began in 2018?
It’s next to impossible to predict isn’t it. The issue with FFP is that it was designed with the input from the big clubs in order to create a situation where they couldn’t really be caught, financially speaking. Man Utd argued that existing debt shouldn’t count, I think, which they didn’t do out of concern for eg Scarborough FC, they did to protect themselves from breaking the rules. It effectively bolted the door behind them, or so was the intention. So it’s sometimes odd to see the moralising on here and elsewhere. I don’t think this is about ethics, it’s about keeping the big clubs forever big.
The FA of today has no right telling us how to operate, because the FA of 15 years ago already did
The sheer number of seasons this puts a cloud over is just a nightmare for the Premier League.
Moneyball at its worst.
Moneyball at its worst.