Interesting watching sky sports news take on this which seems to be inferring along the lines of poor little City being bullied by the big boys cartel who wanted them investigated. Every hour they bring someone out to tell us how upstanding Pep is and that they've already been cleared by Cas but omitting that it was on a technicality. Anyone would think they had a vested interest in exonorating them.
City and Financial Doping | Charged by PL with numerous FFP breaches | Hearing begins 16th September 2024
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By the sounds of it many of City transfer fees and wages could be hidden. Making the real spend even higher.
Current league leaders arsenal? Plus city would have a bit more sponsorship than them, 6 titles in the last decade means anyone who started watching football around 2010, is going to have grown up seeing city the way people who grew up in the 90s saw us
I have to wonder how the best city players feel about this. They are some of the best talents in the game and now their achievements are forever under a cloud. You might say it won’t bother them but I sort of feel at some level it must. Will they find it as easy to sign new top talent in the future, probably not. I also struggle to buy that Pep was unaware of all this….
On the punishment I can go either way on the stripping of titles.
Some dismiss the impact of a fine but a fine could be very material if it is on the club and tightly boxed in so the owners can’t just bail it out, if it is say all the dodgy money plus interest and penalties and all spend plus income for next 10 years is audited in real time by premier league/fa to ensure no future dodgyness that could really hit hard.
The precedent for relegating clubs and points deductions is very strong, also if penalties for breaking financial fair play are softer than those for clubs going into administration or otherwise running out of money etc. that is completely unfair and you have completely broken signals.
On the punishment I can go either way on the stripping of titles.
Some dismiss the impact of a fine but a fine could be very material if it is on the club and tightly boxed in so the owners can’t just bail it out, if it is say all the dodgy money plus interest and penalties and all spend plus income for next 10 years is audited in real time by premier league/fa to ensure no future dodgyness that could really hit hard.
The precedent for relegating clubs and points deductions is very strong, also if penalties for breaking financial fair play are softer than those for clubs going into administration or otherwise running out of money etc. that is completely unfair and you have completely broken signals.
How can any fan defend this? This is fraud. Open and shut case.
Abu Dhabi still account for around 20% of their revenues. The Etihad deal alone is £70 Mill per season. This doesn't even take into account the extra money Abu Dhabi put in to keep upgrading the campus & make illegal payments to players & staff.
If Abu Dhabi stopped investing this would lead to a huge loss of revenue which would translate onto the pitch. This would then make the club much less attractive to non related sponsors. The whole project then falls like a house of cards.
It is all cooked up by the cartel mate.
That pesky cartel wanting teams to follow the rules of the competition, pfft.
Gonna sure be some damage to City players reputations,however still take a couple of them as willing to forgive their naiveness in joining
If City were to be kicked out of the Prem, would it be League 2 they have to restart from? Seen lots of folk online and journos saying it would be the Championship.
How many City players are going to want to jump before they’re pushed at the end of the season?
Like I said who do we fancy taking then?
what happens to the league as its stands this season if city are expunged?
Poor Pep. His CL wins at Barca have asterisks because of Messi. And now even his English project has an asterisk.
Mister Asterisk
Grealish, KDB, Haaland, Alvarez
EDIT: & Foden!
Spot on.
Just two teams get relegated
They would fall significantly from their position but I think they would be comfortably top 4
Genuinely Grealish would love coming here and think Erik could get more out of him,see the other two going to Spain though. Alvarez might fancy staying on in this country though.
That assumes the Championship agrees to take them; will they want to accept a season that essentially becomes a write off because a team that has regularly challenged for the biggest prizes in football blows through every team and takes away any semblance of competition?
Look at City’s lawyer.
Regularly make CL you said? Arsenal?
I don't have high hopes from the authorities as this has been a huge investment in UK. After Romam A kicked out I doubt they will punish another investor that too from a comparatively friendly country.
i meant more along the lines of what does it do to the points totals so far. for example we’ve lost 6-3 against them and beat them, so we’d lose three points but gain some goal difference.
Fair enough maybe I've misremembered arsenal finishing higher than they did, but I think they'd still be a bigger team than arsenal are now without the Abu Dhabi money, more on the same level as Chelsea, their period of massive success from 04-12 ensured that they were a big club and attractive to sponsors
Yeah I see what you mean
When I saw the news yesterday, the first thought much like others was that it was just going to be a slap on the wrist.
Looking at the charges and the developments over the past 24 hrs, it looks very serious. I think the fact this got so much attention means that PL do have to make a big call on this and cannot try to sweep it under the rug.
Also, even if city ending up with a fine or minor points deduction would mean that the charges are true and all their "success" is tainted which confirms what everyone knew already
Looking at the charges and the developments over the past 24 hrs, it looks very serious. I think the fact this got so much attention means that PL do have to make a big call on this and cannot try to sweep it under the rug.
Also, even if city ending up with a fine or minor points deduction would mean that the charges are true and all their "success" is tainted which confirms what everyone knew already
If they did get expunged this season which is unlikely as this could rumble on. I imagine everyones games against City could be null and void, so it would be essentially a 36 game season
Arsenal haven't made top 4 in in years and revenue from their stadium generates twice what City do. City without that money wouldn't be able to attract the players they have been and Manchester isn't London. Then there's the trickle affect financially of not winning leagues and possibly not making the CL every season.
I'm not one for believing twittershite but it doesn't take too much imagination to think that most of the league wouldn't mind their relegation. All those hoping for a CL/EL place would consider their chances improved, and the bottom 10 or so that fear relegation might be happier if only 2 went down one season. All it would take is 14 clubs to vote them out and they would be out.
Probaly this or 4 championship teams are promoted (3 automatic & 1 playoff)
Although I wonder what happens to the relegated championship teams and the promoted league 1 teams. Does one of those promoted league 1 teams miss out on promotion to the championship?
They tried to sign him 12 months before we did. If I remember it was between they and Chelsea.
Shows how close a move was
Possibly. More likely it's the UK government's intention to establish an independent body on the 20th February that's sped up proceedings: if an independent body decided that the EPL had been sitting on 10 years of evidenced that a club had flagrantly abused the rules it sets for every club - while other sides were "forced" to abide by them due to lesser resources - the optics are pretty awful, potentially even leading to accusations and convictions for institutional corruption similar to what did for FIFA but with more control because they're supposedly constrained by UK law.
If you wanted to find the two most corrupt, unaccountable and decadent political cultures on earth, they would be the Arab oil state and the Russian gangster state. The Premier League cannot suddenly pretend they didn't realise the kind of people they have been jumping into bed with all this time. It's pure hypocricy. Just like FIFA selling them World Cups.
So the PL are pissed off at City's spending. But then invite another state to take over another team. Genius.