Problem is that this case will not be done in public despite public interest. All quiet within the commission and then they publish their findings.
It's a suboptimal approach.
City and Financial Doping | Charged by PL with numerous FFP breaches | Hearing begins 16th September 2024
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Problem is that this case will not be done in public despite public interest. All quiet within the commission and then they publish their findings.
It's a suboptimal approach.
They can claim that he did legit consultation work for those entities albeit once a quarter. Can claim site visits and zoom calls?
This is an interesting read on uefas ineptitude in the cas case
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.in...-appeal-cas-verdict-reasons-a9643511.html?amp
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.in...-appeal-cas-verdict-reasons-a9643511.html?amp
Sure they can try. But he got paid a similar amount as his yearly city salary in the PL, the most lucrative league in the world, for a 4 day a year contract in a tin pot league.. Good luck arguing that in court!
Tbh I feel the same here.
But if that happens it'd be a big fecking slap to the so called most competitive and attractive league in the world. And probably the UK and what its people has been so proud of.
Yep the salary one is a massive one. They need to follow the money, if the money comes from the City owners, then it also becomes a criminal case.
Imagine your place of work paying you off books, do you think you will be there without anything come towards you?
Morning! Liquidated yet?
I can’t see them being expelled from the league because as bad as this is, there are worse crimes in football and you leave yourself very little room for manoeuvre if you start with expulsion. Juventus went down for match fixing but only got a points deduction for their financial maladministration.
For me if the FFP rules are judged over a 3 season period and carries a penalty of a 15 point deduction, they’ve been breaking the rules for 10 years so it stands to reason they should expect a fine and a 45 point deduction as a minimum.
This would mean Pep would probably leave, they’d probably get relegated (which would be a de facto ban from Europe) and the reduction in revenue wouldn’t quite be a transfer ban, but it would be a transfer limitation.
For me if the FFP rules are judged over a 3 season period and carries a penalty of a 15 point deduction, they’ve been breaking the rules for 10 years so it stands to reason they should expect a fine and a 45 point deduction as a minimum.
This would mean Pep would probably leave, they’d probably get relegated (which would be a de facto ban from Europe) and the reduction in revenue wouldn’t quite be a transfer ban, but it would be a transfer limitation.
It's interesting that with drugs tests failure to comply is treated as guilt, but financial doping isn't.
Then again their players get away with the former anyway
I like the tax evasion angle, you dont sweep that under the carpet
What?
They have cheated for over a decade, their cheating has lead to teams not getting into Europe, relegation and preventing titles going to the rightful teams.
This is monumental, relegation is arguably the right punishment.
Remember there are people on here who don't believe sport washing exists...
In my mind it would be worse if they were bribing referees for wins, match fixing with opponents, engaging in squad wide doping, covering up sexual abuse of children in the academy. Much worse crimes than what they are accused of.
They’ve definitely cheated and its been systematic over 10 years. But we’ve always known thats what they were up to. If we knew they were doing any of the things mentioned above they would have been stopped immediately. So in my opinion, there is worse they could have done.
Human rights issue in Abu Dhabi?
They’ve been trying to stop them. We just didn’t know about it because City were successful with court injunctions
They should be stripped of their titles, owners forced to sell and sent to whichever league will take them. They have made a mockery of the sport since the takeover.
Everyone saying city have great lawyers and will negotiate their way out of the mess. I'm sure the premier league's lawyers are no slouches.
You do this before a verdict has been reached. You don't know whether or not you'll be found guilty.
No one really cares about this arbitrary hierarchy you've decided in your head. There are rules to competitions they enter in, rules they are presumed to have violated for years and years, and which enabled them to create a position of dominance to the detriment of their competitors, a position they most likely should not be in had they followed the rules. So yeah, if they are found guilty, there is no reason why the book shouldn't be thrown at them.
I think the salary part is the smaller issue esp with regards to Mancini's salary. Its small potatoes. The bigger issue is how the concocted their revenues.
City currently have the highest (top-line) revenues in the world. Bigger than Real Madrid, the 14 time European Champion. Made the league a laughing stock when United, Liverpool and even Chelsea all have a larger global fan base.
That was probably the triggering point -- it too bullshitty that there was no way they could get away with that.
@Relfy my thinking is more cynical than yours: that those same states (and perhaps those wishing to buy Manchester United?) are putting pressure on the governing bodies as a "if they got away with it why aren't we allowed!" sort of deal - that they only want to invest in Chelsea/Man Utd if they were allowed to breach the same rules City have done (on hundreds of occasions). They've got a point too, why AREN'T the PIF allowed to get away with what City did? Perhaps the Newcastle ownership stand to benefit here since they're on the verge of CL football and if City are docked points/relegated then that frees up a slot for the Saudi's....
The ol' Oil money versus company ££ argument!!!
Surely even Lionel Hutz can win this case
Or maybe it's the PL's shot across the bow of PIF/Newcastle? If they can't control or stop the poorer Abu Dhabi now, then there is no way they can allow the PIF to fester in a few years time.
One thing I keep seeing which I don’t like and needs to stop is the idea that a ‘small’ club is irrelevant to the PL. The issue here isn’t that City are a small club or that they have bought their success, every club buys their success to varying degrees, it’s that they cheated.
A stupid argument because the market decided the price .
At the very least, take their titties off them
It is certainly true that financial doping is just as if not more effective in enhancing performance than the kind of doping cycling teams did, but it is much more debatable ethically. I mean big clubs with big revenue bases have a massive and perpetual advantage unless you allow some level of owner-led investment in smaller clubs, especially if time-limited, so at what point do you say the latter is 'too much'? I am not really clued up on the detail of the FFP rules but I do think the Premier League is a little bit realistic that it likes the fact that it is the one with all the richest clubs, and isn't necessarily that bothered about where the money comes from. It will be interesting to see how this plays out.
City are in deep sh!t and they won't get away with this. Relegation and title stripping at a minimum.
This isn't true
Okay, laugh without having a look. Well done.
What market was there for Enzo at 120m or whatever the feck it was?
I don't think it'll happen much.
Just like last time, only now more theater and drama. At the end a 15 mil fine and everything is forgotten.
Not this time. Confident a very harsh punishment is coming. Which will also serve as a deterrent to other possible cheats.
Regarding wages paid under the table, wouldnt that make all the agents complicit aswell?
Dude, you got featured heavily on Lee Gunner's account. If you have any ambitions for social media, etc. (and honestly we need more of your kind of content), go make yourself known and ask for credit.
Haha, thanks, didn’t know that.
For fans like @Baxter who have no idea what the breaches are but will laugh at others.
https://soccer.nbcsports.com/2023/0...rges-manchester-city-with-financial-breaches/
List of breaches listed on here, I hope you see that Premier league rules K.20 is listed on there.
https://resources.premierleague.com...a4e95f2/PL_Handbook_2022-23_DIGITAL_13.12.pdf
Above is the PL handbook.
K.20. The height of the pitch grass shall not exceed 30mm and the entire playing surface must be cut to the same height. The grass shall be cut so as to display straight, parallel lines across the entire width of the pitch, perpendicular to the touchlines. No other form of pitch presentation (such as circular or diagonal patterns) is permitted
So please do your research before laughing at others
https://soccer.nbcsports.com/2023/0...rges-manchester-city-with-financial-breaches/
List of breaches listed on here, I hope you see that Premier league rules K.20 is listed on there.
https://resources.premierleague.com...a4e95f2/PL_Handbook_2022-23_DIGITAL_13.12.pdf
Above is the PL handbook.
K.20. The height of the pitch grass shall not exceed 30mm and the entire playing surface must be cut to the same height. The grass shall be cut so as to display straight, parallel lines across the entire width of the pitch, perpendicular to the touchlines. No other form of pitch presentation (such as circular or diagonal patterns) is permitted
So please do your research before laughing at others