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Have they been sent to the shadow realm yet?
But which players helped them win? Which players did they buy with earned money and which ones with doped dosh, and which ones had the most impact on the pitch? It would be near impossible to prove unfortunately.You don’t class this as blatant cheating? The scope of the unfair advantages they’ve gained and the opportunities missed by other clubs is damn near unprecedented
Nope, the Juve case is a bad comparison. The charges against City are far more serious. This is more than a few accounting tricks over a few years. It's a deep corruption across many financial areas and attempted cover up. It makes Juve look like choir boys. I haven't seen a legal expert yet who thinks City are going to escape relegation over this if the charges stick.
That doesn't make sense given it's the PL that are making the chargesI fully expect nothing to come off of this because more money in the PL is a good thing for the league / english system as a whole. EPL will be the new super league. TV rights money will increase and flow through the pyramid. That'll cement the PL's position as the best in the world - 3 of the top four sides in the world are english at the moment per UEFA.
It's not fair, but when has fairness ever mattered? And to be honest, the pre-oil system where the big players always remain big isn't exactly fair either.
To be fair Redbull Racing didn't cook the books. They went over budget but not fraudulently. I think their punishment was fair.
The FA don't have anything to do with it, it's the PL making the chargesThe FA doesn’t just have to fight City. They will have to fight a whole country on this. Abu Dhabi will just throw resources at this, until it’s gone.
Fraudulent financial and accounting practices and corruption are not the same thing. It stinks, and I hope they get as harsh a punishment as possible, but all I'm saying is that stripping of titles is beyond anything we'll likely see here because you can't equate this to match-fixing or anything like that.
That doesn't make sense given it's the PL that are making the charges
If it means city get smashed back to where they belong we can allow it.This could end badly. Very badly. Gerrard might end up with a title ...
But which players helped them win? Which players did they buy with earned money and which ones with doped dosh, and which ones had the most impact on the pitch? It would be near impossible to prove unfortunately.
The FA doesn’t just have to fight City. They will have to fight a whole country on this. Abu Dhabi will just throw resources at this, until it’s gone.
Strangely enough, all Liverpool fans were City fans when Liverpool weren't good enough to compete with us..If it means city get smashed back to where they belong we can allow it.
At first I was hoping if City gets stripped off their cheated titles, the 2nd teams like us can benefit and become the Champion instead.
On second thoughts, I prefer to leave that void on the Premier League trophy so that future generations will see this obvious void and always remember City being the cheat that disrupted the league for those years.
It won't be this season, this will drag on for years I suspectCan only really see them getting a points deduction for this season (which, while they're in with a chance of winning it's not as likely as Arsenal winning anyway) and a transfer ban which they'll appeal long enough to sign loads of players in the summer. And feck all else will happen if we're being honest.
All the money in the world will mean squat if the PL have rock-solid evidence. They may just succeed in kicking the can down the road Trump-style but it doesn't go away.The FA doesn’t just have to fight City. They will have to fight a whole country on this. Abu Dhabi will just throw resources at this, until it’s gone.
This has nothing to do with the FA, this is the Premier League and their rules which City agreed to, if they're found guilty by the independent review.
The FA may impose their own sanctions on City but that's a different matter, if City were to be kicked out the Premier League there maybe a case for the EFL and it's members to say nah we don't want you either and that could see them booted down to non League football.
The ramifications are massive, I don't see titles and cups being handed to the runners up but the minimum City must serve is a points deduction and transfer window suspensions.
Well if what you said is true then the PL wouldn't be charging them would theyWhy not? PL stands to benefit directly from a more successful league.
Of course it'll be laughable. The regulatory bodies have been a laughing stock for years now. City are way too rich to be made an example of. I'll be shocked if something anywhere close to Juventus happens here.Juventus was punished for one transfer. In City's case, we're talking about 100 breaches of FFP regulations, if they get the same punishment it will be laughable.
They were fixing results with refs, people were arrested, it was an utter betrayal of the concept of competition
If it means city get smashed back to where they belong we can allow it.
Nice one.Mancheatster Cheaty.
So is this. Financially doping is still betraying the Premier Leagues idea of competition.
Mancheatster Cheaty.
No, I wouldn't class this the same as bribery or match-fixing.You don’t class this as blatant cheating? The scope of the unfair advantages they’ve gained and the opportunities missed by other clubs is damn near unprecedented
I’ll take league 1 right now for a gerrard PL.If they got banged all the way down to the bottom it would make me feel very good.
I see lots of mention Chelsea will be next to be investigated, but why?
We've never been suspected of cooking the books like City have. Sure the club have posted financial losses, and sure Abramovich injected a lot of money into the club over the years but unlike City's owner spending masked as dodgy sponsorship deals the Abramovich investment was always done completely out in the open and there were never any rules preventing him from doing so, as long as the club still stayed within the boundaries of the FFP rules which we always did because for starters the FFP rules allow for a ton of deductibles and even after all that they still allow for clubs to post a fixed amount of losses over the monitoring period as long as they are covered by the club owner. Maybe the rules are/were flawed that he was allowed to do it but you can't change the rules for past seasons.
In City's case the charge is that they cooked the books and would have failed FFP if they hadn't so it's all very different to what's been going on at Chelsea. Nobody would have prevented City from doing things the same way we have but if they did they just wouldn't have been able to spend as much money because when the FFP rules became a thing their starting point was much lower than ours. The timing is key here. When Abramovich bought Chelsea and made all those huge money investments in 2003-2010 there was no FFP yet, which allowed us to openly post massive losses and gain higher revenues through legit sponsorships etc. due to already being competitive over a multitude of years. When FFP rules were implemented we were already in a better position where the club still wasn't profitable but could continue to operate within the rules and using owner money to cover the allowed losses.
As for Chelsea's spending since the ownership change, it's again all out in the open and the club are not trying to hide anything. It's a shit load of money invested in new players but I don't think there's anyone claiming we're boosting our revenues with fake sponsorships and/or making off the books payments to clubs/agents/players to hide the costs. There's every chance this high-risk strategy causes the club to fail FFP monitoring and leads to some sanctions down the line if we fail to make CL in the coming seasons and also fail to increase other revenues, but as for right now we haven't fallen foul of any rule yet and if the high-risk strategy works out in our favor we might never do so. If we do fail FFP, there will be immediate sanctions that don't need this kind of further investigating because the accounts will already show how much losses the club have made. This all remains to be seen over the next few years.