Actually I think we would get three and you none if it was a ten point gap. But I wansn’t even thinking of who would benefit.
City and Financial Doping | Charged by PL with numerous FFP breaches | Hearing begins 16th September 2024
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The charges are only for seasons up to and including 17/18 so we would get the 11/12 title and you would get the 13/14 one.
Maybe add in that the recipient club has to start with Li and can't have Ma in it too?
Course you weren't. That's why you just happened to be specific with points.
Why anyone even bothers responding to that poster (and how he's still on here despite not contributing anything in earnest) is beyond me.
Guardiola with the absolute nerve to come out and say that they don't believe they've done anything wrong. Wanker.
It is for the period you finished second once and utd twice.
10 points is just something you pulled out of your arsle. But even if you take that 10 points thing, you get one title and united one.
He’s probably been misled though. I don’t understand why people like him aren’t confused about the fact they’d never heard of City 20 years ago. How does he think they go to the point where they were able to hire him? Embarrassing project.
Which one, duffer or njred?
The PL are also seriously wealthly. There is surely a bottleneck where it doesn't matter the lawyers you have but the evidence you rely on.
Or the way that they're suddenly posting financials better than established all time giant clubs.
Yep, it's tiresome enough people keep popping in saying "they'll get away with it" but when people say City will have "better" lawyers it's just dumb. As if the Premier league are some local pub that only have the local authority lawyer to rely on.
We’d also get one
He’s as bent as they come. Probably has shares in the company.
Such a sad state of the world that everyone knows they're cheats but since the gov is so in bed selling arms and getting paid off (see all the millions pumped into Manchester from UAE) we all expect at most a fine which is meaningless as they have unlimited money.
There's no probably, Girona is part of the City group and is tied with his brother. He definitely has 20 lawyers on call briefing him and helping him to navigate this whole trial.
It is but City getting away with cheating would make that a concrete situation going forward.
Well for me the punishment has to fit the crime. In an ideal world I think they deserve as harsh a punishment as you've mentioned.
The biggest crime here is the owners of Man City destabilizing English football for over a decade with an unprecedented level of cheating. For that they should be forced to sell the club but I'm not sure that can be done without government help and I have no idea if there would be any appetite for that within the new Labour government.
For punishments for Man City the club, a series of points deductions over a number of PL seasons would be the most appropriate punishment I feel. Eg 80 points, 60 points, 40 points, 20 points and 10 points. Should ensure they have at least one season outside the PL and at least 3/4 seasons when/if they get back up without being able to compete for the title or CL places.
Will they get that level of punishment? I doubt it to be honest and I have little hope they will be stripped of any of the titles they won through cheating sadly. If I had to bet I could see them getting a one off points deduction, possibly enough to relegate them and big fine and that'll be about it.
They would need a 60 point deduction to get relegated.
Anything less than this ending with the 4 actual City fans left meeting in a Stockport pub, scribbling on the back of a beer mat the plans for a new phoenix club would be a travesty for football.
They know this is coming to nothing - that's the mood coming out of them and to be honest even the media. I haven't read a single thing discussing how a points deduction might impact the title.
Im convinced it will come to nothing for the same reasons their cheating was able to happen in the first place
Im convinced it will come to nothing for the same reasons their cheating was able to happen in the first place
If there is/was fradulent accounting, wouldn't the tax people be interested?
Could it turn into a criminal case?
Absolutely. He’s clearly set up for life and will remain on the payroll even after he steps down at City.
Surely most of the media are concerned about litigation, or being sued by City for attempting to influence the courts before or during the trial? It seems to be the same with the majority of trials that they report on. They have to state nothing but what it factual.
...that's my hope. And I'll be sticking to it until City inevitably get away with it and someone posts the Jesse from Breaking Bad meme.
Oddly, they likely paid the correct tax on their inflated income so HMRC won't have anything to complain about.
Mislead? He’s the face of the whole project. If he was mislead, he’s not too bright.
Well yeah that’s pretty much what I’m saying. My first point is that he will have been told they haven’t done anything wrong.
His brother is deeply involved with them. And he is absolutely not stupid. He is extremely smart. He just doesn't care if the club sticks to the rules. He wants every bit of success there is and doesn't care how it is achieved. He knows they are shady. In my opinion he is the most morally bankrupt person in that club.
Couldn't agree more. He's a liar, a cheat, and a coward.
Misled? He's not some innocent shmuck here. He was a cheat as a player and he's a cheat as a manager.
You're probably about right. Even of the deduction is over only one season and they come straight back up after relegation, the punishment will be too minor.
It is hard to predict the punishment because the level of cheating over such a long period of time is unprecedented in the PL.
Hopefully that's enough to tell the government to feck off if they try to pressurise the PL into doing what they want, should the UAE try to go running to Starmer and co.
Yeah we know he took drugs as a player, he hardly has any scruples about a bit of financial irregularities to get ahead of the pack. He'll feign ignorance of course, he's good at that.
Doing their best to help City arnt they the grimey fckers
"Uefa has warned ministers that England could be excluded from the European Championship it is co-hosting in 2028 over "concerns" that a planned independent football regulator could lead to "government interference" in the sport."
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/articles/c9wkjnvpy2ko
and from Sky Sports
"In his letter, Theodoris highlights areas of concern including the fact the latest draft of the Football Governance Bill requires clubs to consider the foreign and trade policies of the government."
"Uefa has warned ministers that England could be excluded from the European Championship it is co-hosting in 2028 over "concerns" that a planned independent football regulator could lead to "government interference" in the sport."
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/articles/c9wkjnvpy2ko
and from Sky Sports
"In his letter, Theodoris highlights areas of concern including the fact the latest draft of the Football Governance Bill requires clubs to consider the foreign and trade policies of the government."
^^ As was discussed in this thread years ago. Seems as though a potential "pickle" might be in the offing; those working hard to protect City's interests now have a curveball to contend with that was surely not a consideration before now.
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The only fitting punishment would be their owners having to sell the club and banned from owning a British football club. If they are found guilty then surely they breach fit and proper ownership rules.
We all know this isn’t going to happen. It took a the Russian war to have Abramovich removed as Chelsea owner. That decision must have involved the UK government yet UEFA weren’t worried about that situation. Why are they so interested now?
The whole thing stinks of corruption. City are already 3 points clear after 4 games. The league is incredibly boring and has been for years. If the Premier League want a successful product City have to be severely punished. I can’t see clubs like Arsenal, Liverpool and United accepting a weak decision. If they aren’t punished I expect the threat of a Super League happening again and clubs will accept the fines thrown at them to get away.
We all know this isn’t going to happen. It took a the Russian war to have Abramovich removed as Chelsea owner. That decision must have involved the UK government yet UEFA weren’t worried about that situation. Why are they so interested now?
The whole thing stinks of corruption. City are already 3 points clear after 4 games. The league is incredibly boring and has been for years. If the Premier League want a successful product City have to be severely punished. I can’t see clubs like Arsenal, Liverpool and United accepting a weak decision. If they aren’t punished I expect the threat of a Super League happening again and clubs will accept the fines thrown at them to get away.
Be surprised if this is anything but uefa wanting 'assurances' (i.e. a handout) from the government.
No silver bullet with which to bring city to justice.
It's not happening. uefa cannot coerce anything and England (the other three are expendable) refused entry to Euros would see retaliation with club competitions (city leading the vanguard, Ineos toadying) which uefa can do without.
The government consider the uae's dictatorship a key ally, despite everything, so there is no way pressure will be applied.
They will get off with it. Or, as ever bang to rights and reduced on appeal.
Nominal points deduction or easy fine at worst.