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Actually I think we would get three and you none if it was a ten point gap. But I wansn’t even thinking of who would benefit.They would only get 1 the same as us
Actually I think we would get three and you none if it was a ten point gap. But I wansn’t even thinking of who would benefit.They would only get 1 the same as us
Actually I think we would get three and you none if it was a ten point gap. But I wansn’t even thinking of who would benefit.
Maybe add in that the recipient club has to start with Li and can't have Ma in it too?They have to be docked points. Just dock them ten points a season for the last ten years. Then take away the titles if any clubs were within ten points in those years. Give those clubs the titles.
Course you weren't. That's why you just happened to be specific with points.Actually I think we would get three and you none if it was a ten point gap. But I wansn’t even thinking of who would benefit.
It is for the period you finished second once and utd twice.Actually I think we would get three and you none if it was a ten point gap. But I wansn’t even thinking of who would benefit.
He’s probably been misled though. I don’t understand why people like him aren’t confused about the fact they’d never heard of City 20 years ago. How does he think they go to the point where they were able to hire him? Embarrassing project.Guardiola with the absolute nerve to come out and say that they don't believe they've done anything wrong. Wanker.
Which one, duffer or njred?Why anyone even bothers responding to that poster (and how he's still on here despite not contributing anything in earnest) is beyond me.
The PL are also seriously wealthly. There is surely a bottleneck where it doesn't matter the lawyers you have but the evidence you rely on.I can't see how the PL can afford to lose this, as one paper said some people think that they must have some 'bombshell new evidence' to be going ahead with this as they are.
We all know City are going to have better lawyers, and the PL are going to have to prove they are guilty alot more than City are going to have to prove that they are innocent, so I hope this is true.
Or the way that they're suddenly posting financials better than established all time giant clubs.He’s probably been misled though. I don’t understand why people like him aren’t confused about the fact they’d never heard of City 20 years ago. How does he think they go to the point where they were able to hire him? Embarrassing project.
Yep, it's tiresome enough people keep popping in saying "they'll get away with it" but when people say City will have "better" lawyers it's just dumb. As if the Premier league are some local pub that only have the local authority lawyer to rely on.The PL are also seriously wealthly. There is surely a bottleneck where it doesn't matter the lawyers you have but the evidence you rely on.
We’d also get oneYou’re only saying because you’d get those titles!
He’s probably been misled though. I don’t understand why people like him aren’t confused about the fact they’d never heard of City 20 years ago. How does he think they go to the point where they were able to hire him? Embarrassing project.
MisledHe’s probably been misled though. I don’t understand why people like him aren’t confused about the fact they’d never heard of City 20 years ago. How does he think they go to the point where they were able to hire him? Embarrassing project.
There's no probably, Girona is part of the City group and is tied with his brother. He definitely has 20 lawyers on call briefing him and helping him to navigate this whole trial.He’s as bent as they come. Probably has shares in the company.
It's already a joke of a competition
Fit and proper ownership assessments and points deductions are certainly precedented. As are revoked titles when clubs have been caught cheating in other European leagues.
What do you expect the outcome to be? What outcome do you want?
They would need a 60 point deduction to get relegated.If they are found guilty of even some of the charges, the precedent in the PL has been points deductions. At the very minimum I think they will get a very large points deduction that will be enough to relegate them at the end of this season.
If the charges are proven then they should be expelled from the PL and banned from returning for at least 5 years and even then, only with a change of ownership which can be proven to have zero connection to the current owners.
This is not some minor PSR / FFP breach, this is alleged conspiracy to present fraudulent accounts for the purpose of skirting rules they had signed up to.
If there is/was fradulent accounting, wouldn't the tax people be interested?If they are found guilty of even some of the charges, the precedent in the PL has been points deductions. At the very minimum I think they will get a very large points deduction that will be enough to relegate them at the end of this season.
If the charges are proven then they should be expelled from the PL and banned from returning for at least 5 years and even then, only with a change of ownership which can be proven to have zero connection to the current owners.
This is not some minor PSR / FFP breach, this is alleged conspiracy to present fraudulent accounts for the purpose of skirting rules they had signed up to.
Absolutely. He’s clearly set up for life and will remain on the payroll even after he steps down at City.There's no probably, Girona is part of the City group and is tied with his brother. He definitely has 20 lawyers on call briefing him and helping him to navigate this whole trial.
Surely most of the media are concerned about litigation, or being sued by City for attempting to influence the courts before or during the trial? It seems to be the same with the majority of trials that they report on. They have to state nothing but what it factual.They know this is coming to nothing - that's the mood coming out of them and to be honest even the media. I haven't read a single thing discussing how a points deduction might impact the title.
Im convinced it will come to nothing for the same reasons their cheating was able to happen in the first place
If there is/was fradulent accounting, wouldn't the tax people be interested?
Could it turn into a criminal case?
Mislead? He’s the face of the whole project. If he was mislead, he’s not too bright.He’s probably been misled though. I don’t understand why people like him aren’t confused about the fact they’d never heard of City 20 years ago. How does he think they go to the point where they were able to hire him? Embarrassing project.
Well yeah that’s pretty much what I’m saying. My first point is that he will have been told they haven’t done anything wrong.Mislead? He’s the face of the whole project. If he was mislead, he’s not too bright.
His brother is deeply involved with them. And he is absolutely not stupid. He is extremely smart. He just doesn't care if the club sticks to the rules. He wants every bit of success there is and doesn't care how it is achieved. He knows they are shady. In my opinion he is the most morally bankrupt person in that club.Well yeah that’s pretty much what I’m saying. My first point is that he will have been told they haven’t done anything wrong.
Couldn't agree more. He's a liar, a cheat, and a coward.His brother is deeply involved with them. And he is absolutely not stupid. He is extremely smart. He just doesn't care if the club sticks to the rules. He wants every bit of success there is and doesn't care how it is achieved. He knows they are shady. In my opinion he is the most morally bankrupt person in that club.
Misled? He's not some innocent shmuck here. He was a cheat as a player and he's a cheat as a manager.He’s probably been misled though. I don’t understand why people like him aren’t confused about the fact they’d never heard of City 20 years ago. How does he think they go to the point where they were able to hire him? Embarrassing project.
You're probably about right. Even of the deduction is over only one season and they come straight back up after relegation, the punishment will be too minor.Well for me the punishment has to fit the crime. In an ideal world I think they deserve as harsh a punishment as you've mentioned.
The biggest crime here is the owners of Man City destabilizing English football for over a decade with an unprecedented level of cheating. For that they should be forced to sell the club but I'm not sure that can be done without government help and I have no idea if there would be any appetite for that within the new Labour government.
For punishments for Man City the club, a series of points deductions over a number of PL seasons would be the most appropriate punishment I feel. Eg 80 points, 60 points, 40 points, 20 points and 10 points. Should ensure they have at least one season outside the PL and at least 3/4 seasons when/if they get back up without being able to compete for the title or CL places.
Will they get that level of punishment? I doubt it to be honest and I have little hope they will be stripped of any of the titles they won through cheating sadly. If I had to bet I could see them getting a one off points deduction, possibly enough to relegate them and big fine and that'll be about it.
Uefa has warned ministers that England could be excluded from the European Championship it is co-hosting in 2028 over "concerns" that a planned independent football regulator could lead to "government interference" in the sport.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c9wkjnvpy2ko
Misled? He's not some innocent shmuck here. He was a cheat as a player and he's a cheat as a manager.
Doing their best to help City arnt they the grimey fckers
"Uefa has warned ministers that England could be excluded from the European Championship it is co-hosting in 2028 over "concerns" that a planned independent football regulator could lead to "government interference" in the sport."
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/articles/c9wkjnvpy2ko
and from Sky Sports
"In his letter, Theodoris highlights areas of concern including the fact the latest draft of the Football Governance Bill requires clubs to consider the foreign and trade policies of the government."