City and Financial Doping | Charged by PL with numerous FFP breaches | Hearing begins 16th September 2024

If it's anything less than relegation I'd be bitterly disappointed.

National League North division 2 beckons.
 
They will get a points deduction that only see's them finish in the top 4 and a fine, it will be nothing of any substance, they deserve stripped titles & multiple relegations but PL have no backbone
 
AngeloHenriquez said:
They will get a points deduction that only see's them finish in the top 4 and a fine, it will be nothing of any substance, they deserve stripped titles & multiple relegations but PL have no backbone
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Well in that case don't bother with a hearing
 
Still don't understand why people keep mentioning relegation as a possible punishment.


The PL authorities cannot just relegate them. They can only issue a points deduction that makes avoiding relegation impossible or expel them from the PL, at which point they would have to apply to the football league for membership. The football league would then decide which level of the pyramid they would enter at, if at all.

City and all their players and staff should be suspended from all footballing activities until the hearing is completed.
 
Oranges038 said:
Still don't understand why people keep mentioning relegation as a possible punishment.


The PL authorities cannot just relegate them. They can only issue a points deduction that makes avoiding relegation impossible or expel them from the PL, at which point they would have to apply to the football league for membership. The football league would then decide which level of the pyramid they would enter at, if at all.

City and all their players and staff should be suspended from all footballing activities until the hearing is completed.
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Well expel them then
 
croadyman said:
Well expel them then
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Has been discussed in here before but I’d be very surprised if the PL don’t have it in their power to expel a side from their league.
Pretty sure they have rules about size of ground etc before a club can get promoted so playing in that league isn’t a “right”.
I believe expulsion is the only appropriate outcome. For a period of some years as well.
 
croadyman said:
Along with asterisked titles too, should be stripped of them but better that nothing I spose
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I'd go the whole hog, expulsion, stripped titles, owners having their ownership licence removed and forced to sell the club. With any players or staff found of being complicit during the whole thing banned from football for life. That includes Pep and all their players.
 
Oranges038 said:
Still don't understand why people keep mentioning relegation as a possible punishment.


The PL authorities cannot just relegate them. They can only issue a points deduction that makes avoiding relegation impossible or expel them from the PL, at which point they would have to apply to the football league for membership. The football league would then decide which level of the pyramid they would enter at, if at all.

City and all their players and staff should be suspended from all footballing activities until the hearing is completed.
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Who (The Leagues or the National Football Federations) has relegated Juventus or Rangers?
 
BabySinclair said:
Who (The Leagues or the National Football Federations) has relegated Juventus or Rangers?
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It's different.

The PL has a different governing body to the football league.

Rangers ceased to exist? So they had to start as a new club at the bottom.

Serie A is under the same umbrella as Serie B, C, D. So they could put Juventus wherever they liked.
 
Oranges038 said:
I'd go the whole hog, expulsion, stripped titles, owners having their ownership licence removed and forced to sell the club. With any players or staff found of being complicit during the whole thing banned from football for life. That includes Pep and all their players.
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This is what would happen in an ideal world but we all know it never will. City have too much money behind them and too many people willing to take some of that money under the table.
I have a sickening feeling it will just be a paltry fine and then it's over.
 
Oranges038 said:
I'd go the whole hog, expulsion, stripped titles, owners having their ownership licence removed and forced to sell the club. With any players or staff found of being complicit during the whole thing banned from football for life. That includes Pep and all their players.
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Would never happen. You just have to read today's article on BBC football and the paragraph about how City being found guilty could cause damage to the relationship between GB and UAE. Which would be significant due to the amount UAE invest in this country and have serious repercussions
 
dinostar77 said:
Would never happen. You just have to read today's article on BBC football and the paragraph about how City being found guilty could cause damage to the relationship between GB and UAE. Which would be significant due to the amount UAE invest in this country and have serious repercussions
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The relationship between GB and the UAE should have no bearing on this case, the PL don't run the country, if it does turn out that it has a bearing then football is fecked, and not just football TBH
 
dinostar77 said:
Would never happen. You just have to read today's article on BBC football and the paragraph about how City being found guilty could cause damage to the relationship between GB and UAE. Which would be significant due to the amount UAE invest in this country and have serious repercussions
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Yeah, same with Saudi Arabia and Newcastle, all it took was a couple of text to Boris and he got his mates on the case.

Uk needs their oil and they want the UK to keep sending them weapons, football is clubs are just bargaining tools.
 
-tHeGaMe- said:
This is what would happen in an ideal world but we all know it never will. City have too much money behind them and too many people willing to take some of that money under the table.
I have a sickening feeling it will just be a paltry fine and then it's over.
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No slap on the wrist too?
@stevoc
 
Oranges038 said:
I'd go the whole hog, expulsion, stripped titles, owners having their ownership licence removed and forced to sell the club. With any players or staff found of being complicit during the whole thing banned from football for life. That includes Pep and all their players.
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Then a dawn walk to the wall for a last cigarette and a blindfold.
 
dinostar77 said:
Would never happen. You just have to read today's article on BBC football and the paragraph about how City being found guilty could cause damage to the relationship between GB and UAE. Which would be significant due to the amount UAE invest in this country and have serious repercussions
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If they get off with a slap on the wrist then you'll get a breakaway league. That seems obvious
I dont think City win whatever the outcome.
 
The right punishment here is relegation and stripped off all of their tainted titles.

In reality they'll probably won't get anything more than a slap on wrist and will make that happen by using their blood money to buy themselves out and continue this obvious cheating, Regardless of the final decision it a stain on the club that will not wash out.
 
NotChatGPT said:
It's not that easy, is it?

At the end of the day, all of us are still guessing and none of us have much of an insight into how strong the case against City actually is, nor do we know how many loopholes there are to exploit. Maybe they have a rock solid case, maybe the independent panel will look at the evidence presented and go "what the feck were you thinking".
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Somehow I doubt either of those things being the case.
 
dinostar77 said:
Would never happen. You just have to read today's article on BBC football and the paragraph about how City being found guilty could cause damage to the relationship between GB and UAE. Which would be significant due to the amount UAE invest in this country and have serious repercussions
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So the UAE would risk damaging their relationship with the UK over their football club getting punished for cheating?

A football club I might add that officially the UAE doesn't even own.
 
dinostar77 said:
Would never happen. You just have to read today's article on BBC football and the paragraph about how City being found guilty could cause damage to the relationship between GB and UAE. Which would be significant due to the amount UAE invest in this country and have serious repercussions
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I always wonder how much the UAE invests in this country and what impact that actually has on people's everyday lives. At the very least I don't see how them partially buying out companies does much for the average nobody like me.

Unless officials at the league are getting little brown bags of cash I don't see why they would be bothered by the threat of lost investment in the country.
 
stevoc said:
So the UAE would risk damaging their relationship with the UK over their football club getting punished for cheating?

A football club I might add that officially the UAE doesn't even own.
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Yeah, but when do Citeh practice 'official business'.
Everything hidden and under the table.
 
Mr Pigeon said:
I always wonder how much the UAE invests in this country and what impact that actually has on people's everyday lives. At the very least I don't see how them partially buying out companies does much for the average nobody like me.

Unless officials at the league are getting little brown bags of cash I don't see why they would be bothered by the threat of lost investment in the country.
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We sell a lot of arms to them and buy a lot of gas so pissing them off might have some consequences but that shouldn't be of any concern to the PL
 
stevoc said:
So the UAE would risk damaging their relationship with the UK over their football club getting punished for cheating?

A football club I might add that officially the UAE doesn't even own.
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I think you’re misunderstanding how they operate. They don’t negotiate. They hold all the power and they make the demands, they won’t care one bit about upsetting the UK government when they throw their toys out the pram and make their demands.
 
Red in STL said:
We sell a lot of arms to them and buy a lot of gas so pissing them off might have some consequences but that shouldn't be of any concern to the PL
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Yeah, I just don't see the PL really caring much. Either their league loses it's competitive edge, or the UAE get upset and the UK government get angry. At which point...the government do what? Try and bully one of the biggest industries that we still have left in the country?

Obviously there's every chance that I'm an eejit who is missing something obvious, or I'm just deluding myself into thinking that the world is somehow fair. But maybe this time will be different?
 
Pexbo said:
I think you’re misunderstanding how they operate. They don’t negotiate. They hold all the power and they make the demands, they won’t care one bit about upsetting the UK government when they throw their toys out the pram and make their demands.
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Genuine question, do they?

I doubt they'd care about upsetting the UK government. But then I also doubt the UK government would give much of a feck if they're upset about a footbal club getting punished either. Well at least care enough to interfere with an ongoing case about the biggest cheating scandal in the history of English football.

And as far as I'm aware were the UK government were to interfere in the case, wouldn't that fall foul of FIFA's rules about government interference?
 
Mr Pigeon said:
Yeah, I just don't see the PL really caring much. Either their league loses it's competitive edge, or the UAE get upset and the UK government get angry. At which point...the government do what? Try and bully one of the biggest industries that we still have left in the country?

Obviously there's every chance that I'm an eejit who is missing something obvious, or I'm just deluding myself into thinking that the world is somehow fair. But maybe this time will be different?
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Well the PL shouldn't care but if the Government, who probably should care, lean on them then who knows, there's a football regulator coming that the Government introduced and can can probably influence, said regulator might then be inclined to do stuff that the PL wouldn't necessarily like - guess we'll find out soon enough
 
Oranges038 said:
Still don't understand why people keep mentioning relegation as a possible punishment.


The PL authorities cannot just relegate them. They can only issue a points deduction that makes avoiding relegation impossible or expel them from the PL, at which point they would have to apply to the football league for membership. The football league would then decide which level of the pyramid they would enter at, if at all.

City and all their players and staff should be suspended from all footballing activities until the hearing is completed.
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Bit harsh on the players.
 
stevoc said:
Genuine question, do they?

I doubt they'd care about upsetting the UK government. But then I also doubt the UK government would give much of a feck if they're upset about a footbal club getting punished either. Well at least care enough to interfere with an ongoing case about the biggest cheating scandal in the history of English football.

And as far as I'm aware were the UK government were to interfere in the case, wouldn't that fall foul of FIFA's rules about government interference?
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They’ve got a feck tonne of money which our government wants them to invest in the UK and they’d be just as happy investing that anywhere else in the world. Then there’s all their exports which I can guarantee the UK is more desperate to purchase than they are to sell to the UK. Of course they hold the power, what leverage do we have over them?
 
The Purley King said:
Has been discussed in here before but I’d be very surprised if the PL don’t have it in their power to expel a side from their league.
Pretty sure they have rules about size of ground etc before a club can get promoted so playing in that league isn’t a “right”.
I believe expulsion is the only appropriate outcome. For a period of some years as well.
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90 points deduction for 3 consecutive seasons in the PL. So every time they get up, they get down again.
 
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