Yeah just want the Armstrong method
City and Financial Doping | Charged by PL with numerous FFP breaches | Hearing begins 16th September 2024
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Yeah just want the Armstrong method
Wasn't the armstrong method to give it to 15th placed guy after everyone else was disqualified?
Depends on where they end up really, bottom of the pyramid and it's the end of Man City, If they drop down to the Championship they will have a core of player willing to hang around for a year and come back up.
Wonder if a load of their players have some sort of exit clause if they're relegated though as would probably hurt them more.
But going forward the club and everything it has achieved will be tainted, you can't just brush this off and move on.
Like it tainted Juventus?
It did taint juventus to be fair and still does. I certainly can't think of them they way i used to and that's despite the fact that they were a club with a fantastic history and recent history and legendary players.
City were getting battered by Middlesbrough and nobody really knew they existed then they cheated. They've no good history in the bank whatsoever. They are a repulsive club even in 'success'.
This feels the most realistic outcome. Expecting the PL to stand up against the political manoeuvrings clearly going on seems naive to me.
Well game over for this league then
Have to admit my level of interest in football lives and dies with this hearing.
Know exactly what you mean
I personally don't think the UK government would protect them. I'm Irish and not going to pretend I understand the politics in England. Personally, I would imagine they would want to be seen to have a fair penalty and it would be an 'easy' thing to please the public with. They jumped on the Super League proposal, didn't they bring it up in the house of commons?
Football is so important and popular, it would be an easy thing for those in power to 'protect'.
To be fair though, is there any point discussing it in depth? Any discussion has the caveat of ‘if they’re found guilty’, so it’s basically a hypothetical conversation.
If they’re found guilty, not only are they given the green light legally speaking, there’s a lot more to discuss.
If there is no severe punishment then the Super League needs to come back
I'm wondering how and when the hoped-for points deduction will be announced and implemented. Think about it: if they announce a withering punishment - say enough of a point deduction that guarantees they are dumped into League One - before the end of the year, then every match they play after the announcement they will know is meaningless. How does that affect the clubs they played before the announcement? Their second half of the season will be a dead rubber.
Then there's the monetary compensation to all the clubs they cheated out of being able to play CL and EL football. Monetary compensation for clubs relegated and so on. That's more of a disgorgement, taking away what they had no right to have. Then after that, comes the fines. Since they basically print their own money, any sort of fine is going to be a slap on the wrist, and real punishment will have to be in the form of voiding achievements. Maybe a season where they play every home match behind closed doors too.
The FA is at a crossroads here.
Then there's the monetary compensation to all the clubs they cheated out of being able to play CL and EL football. Monetary compensation for clubs relegated and so on. That's more of a disgorgement, taking away what they had no right to have. Then after that, comes the fines. Since they basically print their own money, any sort of fine is going to be a slap on the wrist, and real punishment will have to be in the form of voiding achievements. Maybe a season where they play every home match behind closed doors too.
The FA is at a crossroads here.
Wouldn't be surprised if this is ballpark where we end up.
I heard on the radio the other day that it probably wouldn’t be until spring until a decision is made. To me the sensible outcome for a points deduction would be at the start of the following season. I’m also unsure whether City would be able to lodge an appeal.
I think you're right. Announced in the summer, right before the City open top bus parade.
It's certainly going to lose a lot of its luster.
Probably will end up with people devoting more time to their local clubs and/or finding a new club in a new league altogether.
Everyone knows anything that involves money as a punishment is a waste of time.
When they're found guilty, the only thing that will matter to anyone is how many points they will have taken off them (and over how many years it will be done over), if they're going to lose past titles, and what they will do with their owners moving forward.
We might as well just all pack up if they are just going to fine them for what they've done.
Yeah and I wouldn't blame them one bit, what's the point when teams can cheat with ease and face little punishment for those actions
I have a few friends that have already defected to Stockport for this very reason. It’s a sad state of affairs.
Yeah it is but City couldn't give a toss about that
Up the fecking Hatters!
Honestly, if the scum manage to win their case, the other 19 premier league teams should decide not to play against them. It’s disgusting how they’ve been allowed to get away with what is objectively cheating, and they should be forcibly liquidated at the very least.
They haven't got the guts to do it partly because some sops in this league like Villa feel sorry for them
Generating FM signals or producing Titanium?
But yeah I couldn't stomach Starfish even 10 years after the fact 'winning' the league. It's one of the great joys in life to know that Twat never won one.
Yeah just want those seasons voided
Who the feck is Starfish?
They’re a massive importer of weapons from the UK, they don’t invest in us for charity - and war is bigger business than football, so I doubt it would have much impact.
Yes of course. Discussing the facts, the potential outcomes, doing in depth analysis of the leaks, etc. is what serious journalists that would want to present an unbiased view of the situation would do.
SkySports have no intention of doing that.
They are a large importer, but other countries would fall over each other to take our place and sell them instead, they wouldn't suffer any shortage of arms. The switch would be their punishment to the UK.
What you say is one of the reasons why some think the UK governement will lean on the Prem to do a deal acceptable to Abu Dhabi, to save investment and jobs. I'm not predicting either way on that, it's possible, but even if it were done we might not find out for sure for many years. A wait and see at the moment anyway.
Slippy G.
Ah. I didn’t get that reference whatsoeverWho else?
Thing is, I don’t think even the serious journalists know the answers to those questions, and even speculating could jeopardise who knows what - it is an ongoing case after all.
Nobody knows what the outcome will be as there’s not really a precedent for it. It’s all up in the air until the verdict. At which point there’ll be a media frenzy, rightly so.
There's always rugby or *starts to vomit* feck I don't even want to think of a life without football.
Well you have City to blame for all of this
I blame them for everything anyway. It's their fault I'm bald.
Yeah.
I don't think I can be arsed to wait that long so I'm writing this off.
They've done what they set out to do really.
That's just blatantly untrue because other outlets have reported on this.
Not exactly sure why you've picked this hill to die on, Sky obviously have a conflict of interest when talking about anything that might devalue their product.