Something something contrarian and elusive
City and Financial Doping | Charged by PL with numerous FFP breaches | Hearing begins 16th September 2024
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I am intrigued. The wiggle room is becoming more remote.
I only assigned a low probability, I didn't say it was impossible!
But yes this does move the needle a bit. Why are City discussing a football governance white paper with the government independent of the PL or FA? Has any other club done this?
My reaction to this kind of information is that it's not a smoking gun, but it is smoke
He does make sense here. This guy was at the top of the financial food chain at City. How can he not be aware of all the dirty dealings that went on there. The timing, all of it is very fishy.
Timing is odd, but if Berrada has only left City because he knows they are about to be punished and he will be be caught up in it all, then I can't see Utd would be touching him, and I also can't see SJR not having clarity on this either.
Could you imagine the fallout if City get the book thrown at them, and Berrada is named as one of the main people who knew about it all, to me it almost points to opposite happening, ie City will get away with a token points deduction and fine.
Yeah ok..
Well he starts in the summer right? So the breaches won’t be investigated fully until after then I would think. united will not want a circus with this guy if all kinds of charges come at him whilst in the middle of their rebuild. Then he becomes “ agent”
Omar.
I don't know, but I was thinking it will be alot sooner than that.
Either way United must be confident that he won't be implicated, or will be an irrelevance to the whole thing.
If Pep jumps ship soon then we know something is about to kick off, but he'll just plead ignorance and walk straight into another top job anyway, like all the rest of the staff will do.
It's the owners and club itself then that's about to cop it.
It’ll be akin to a thousand cuts if the right slabs are turned over, I’d wager… but this has felt like the most incredulous scandal the English game has ever seen the likes of a long time ago to me, which is why I cannot associate any of it with or through a conspiratorial lens.
I think the biggest surprise to City is that what they’ve done wasn’t water tight enough to simply slip through the net; that was the only bit they weren’t ready for.
Anyone still prepared to vote for these cretins must either be one of the cnuts getting backhanders or is really stupid.
That's the reply date.
The thing is the Premier league is up against a whole fkn state. Shouldn't the government be involved? Imagine a whole country buying out a small club in the US and cheating thier way to the top. As big as the Yankees of Dallas Cowboys. Wouldn't there be an outrage?
Point I'm making is that I don't know if the Premier League even has the capacity to fight them. They need help.
Point I'm making is that I don't know if the Premier League even has the capacity to fight them. They need help.
It's a bullet scented fart
Maybe but think about which bunch of corrupt pocket lining crooks are currently running the country and you'll have your answer.
Wonder who actually did
Did other clubs have discussions with the sports minister?
Yes. No club can fight with the massive funding from a state. If we don't put a stop to that, the premier league is going to be just dominated by stated-owned clubs who can put political influence into the game. There should be a ban from state or political-exposed-persons to own any clubs. I understand these people have great difficulty and restriction in setting up corporations here. If that is the case, I don't see why they can be allowed to own clubs here.
They couldn't. Because the setup of US sports is way more egalitarian and fair (European football just left the chat). That's why the Dallas Cowboys are the most valuable team in the world but can't leverage that into winning Superb Owls. So the president of Uzbekistan could buy the Cowboys but he would be prohibited from violating salary caps.
Superb Owls - amazing.
While that is true for American football, that’s not true for basketball or baseball. A motivated (and fabulously wealthy) owner can spend as much as they want, those leagues do not cap spending, but they do penalize and tax spending above designated tiers.
True, but the punitive soft caps in the NBA cause even billionaires to pull back on spending. Less familiar about the MLB but pennants aren't only carried by rich teams.
As a Mets fan, it doesn't translate.
From the Times
If they do get relegated you’d have to fancy the football league to put them in the conference or League 2. That would maximise the time the circus is in town and probably result in a massive increase in revenues for the EFL and its clubs.
So basically Spurs would be the only organic winners of the Premier league considering Henry Norris, John Houlding, John Henry Davies and James William Gibson, Jack Walker and Vichai Srivaddhanaprabha all used their own money to bankroll (or even form) the other clubs at one stage or another, and it is very probable that at least 2 of These clubs would have folded without wealthy benefactors being allowed unrestricted investment.
In the Times, but also why would it be breaking news?
Any violations prior to 2003 are grandfathered in good sir. You should know this
Berrada was responsible for sponsorships during the time City cheated, and the method they used to cheat was mainly through sponsorships, but he had nothing to do with it. That's something.
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He didnt join City until 2016 though
They didn't break any rules and were punished for those they did.
They played and competed under the same rules as the other clubs in the league. Certainly wouldn't have called Burlesconi an ideal owner for the health of the game mind you. But then FFP rules would / should help with that presumably.
What has been said about the refusal to hand over information beyond 2018/2019, (was it)?
What punishment is supposed to be meted out for that in isolation, let alone the rest?
What punishment is supposed to be meted out for that in isolation, let alone the rest?
I've said a number of times that each season they've refused to hand over information should be a season barred from the Premier League, over and above anything else that may be imposed. So far it's 4 seasons without information, so that's 4 promotions to the Premier League denied. If they're crud post-current owners and take 10 years to manage 4 automatic promotions, then it's 10 years before that punishment is used up.
Well that makes it a win win situation for us.
If city gets severely punished we win even if we have to find a new CEO. And if he's not punished we got a good football CEO.
Apparently he was "not in the loop", right @JPRouve?
He joined City in 2011 as " commercial director for City Football Marketing" so yeah, the guy we made our CEO is exactly the guy who committed all that fraud and shady dealings we like to badmouth Man City about.
Apparently he was "not in the loop", right @JPRouve?
He joined City in 2011 as " commercial director for City Football Marketing" so yeah, the guy we made our CEO is exactly the guy who committed all that fraud and shady dealings we like to badmouth Man City about.
Why did you quote me? Did I state that he was not in the loop?
Apparently he was "not in the loop", right @JPRouve?
He joined City in 2011 as " commercial director for City Football Marketing" so yeah, the guy we made our CEO is exactly the guy who committed all that fraud and shady dealings we like to badmouth Man City about.
City Football Marketing is a company owned by City Football Group and has nothing to do with the day to day running of Man City which is a different company.