Have City been relegated yet?
They'll do a Juve probably though and be back up again the next season.
They'll do a Juve probably though and be back up again the next season.
City and Financial Doping | Charged by PL with numerous FFP breaches | Hearing begins 16th September 2024
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How do you view the 12 posts, even clicking Nick Harris he has no posts since Nov 22. How is Twitter/X so unusable?
If they got kicked out of the league and had to start again in the conference would they still be in the Champions league as holders next year if they win it this year as that is a UEFA competition?
Not if the Abu Dhabi ownership drops them. Without the Abu Dhabi financial muscle they are just another club. Pep and all his Barsa cronies would jump ship and a lot of players would disperse. Yes, their academy would still be extremely potent but their finesse style young players are ill suited to the rigours of the Championship.
Technically yes, but they'd probably show up with academy prospects and semi-pros.
I would imagine UEFA would be under massive pressure to exclude them too.
Some serious and interesting stuff there in those posts, especially the stuff about Brahim Diaz.
Only if UEFA change their rules or make a one off exception so they can let them in.
Yes it’s admissible
Hard to say anything original about this that hasn't been said several times. But relegation down one division wouldn't be sufficient punishment as they'd just wait it out a year, come straight back and dominate everything like it never happened.
If they're guilty then they shoudn't be allowed to keep the squad they've got, as it was assembled by cheating. If they were relegated to league two or lower then they'd have to start again. But even then they could sell the players for vast sums of money. I don't know what the solution is.
If they're guilty then they shoudn't be allowed to keep the squad they've got, as it was assembled by cheating. If they were relegated to league two or lower then they'd have to start again. But even then they could sell the players for vast sums of money. I don't know what the solution is.
My feeling about this changes almost on a daily basis. Last time I posted in this thread, I was certain it’ll end in some big financial fine and a 20 point deduction or something like it.
Today, I can’t help but think that the PL have to seriously punish City as otherwise they risk doing irreparable damage to their brand, which right now dwarfs all other leagues combined.
Today, I can’t help but think that the PL have to seriously punish City as otherwise they risk doing irreparable damage to their brand, which right now dwarfs all other leagues combined.
This is where I’m currently at. If they fail to punish city in a way that leaves them having to basically rethink the way in which they operate because they’ve been relegated and had trophies collected and titles awarded removed, they’ll just come back and feel emboldened and invincible and continue cheating and ruining the league and people will turn away and the whole thing continues to be a farce.
I don’t care how many titles Liverpool are awarded if city are stripped of theirs. Whoever finished second behind them deserves to be crowned champions and Liverpool are a well run club and do things the right way.
I think most people wanna see a clean fight and a worthy winner.
Do you really think people will turn away if nothing serious happens? Because my feeling would be that they just shrug their shoulders, think it could not have been that bad and everything continues as usual.
I really don’t know is the answer. Nobody knows, but it will stink if they’re not punished and that stink will last I fear. Or maybe, you’re right and people will just shrug shoulders and carry on. If there’s transparency and the charges are explained in detail so there is little doubt as to what they’ve done or not done, the sport can recover and it will hopefully help to clean up the game.
The premier league have to get this right and it’s up to the other clubs to keep the pressure on and not allow them to go easy on them. As fans, we can only sit, watch and wait for justice to be served.
Hmmm. That’s heavily United!
Are there any Chelski titles we can hoover up too?
2005/06 and 2009/10.
I will admit that even if city isn't punished properly, it won't affect my watching of United/PL/CL etc. I can't not watch football. I can firmly attest that most of my football watching friends have just shrugged their shoulders on this (outside of the UK and the ones inside the UK as well). I only really see it mentioned on here, though I know that could just be my experience
This is the proper table, because we're having Chelsea as well, if this is the proper non-corrupt history.
This is the proper table, because we're having Chelsea as well, if this is the proper non-corrupt history.
Might as well strike Leicester too, as they had FFP violations leaving the Championship before their PL win. And also Blackburn, the way they were bankrolled was just... "unfair and abnormal"
Then what we have left is something I'm sure the entire football pyramid (except the cheats of course) would view as fair and deserved and just.
Yes except no, because no one (except you with your usual posturing) would equate Leicester's small issues and the Blackburn situation with the systemic cheating and corruption that built City. Nice try though!
Yep, I’ve not been to 3 out of the last 4 games because I have no interest anymore. The premier league has no integrity and slowly becoming a farce, no one even cares when they win it. That’s before even mention the refs.
This is their last chance to steer the league in the right direction.
Genuinely think if United weren’t the team that suffered the most from City’s success there would be more backlash from opposition fans.
Because no one cares about City no one cares, there’s just not strong negative emotion against them.
If United or Liverpool were in City’s position the backlash would be incredible.
I think he was being facetious
I agree with this as well, look at how they welcomed their success back when we were the ones being prevented from winning things.
You know his posting history?
Well, in fairness, United and Liverpool would never be in City’s position. When examining ways to keep other teams down… I mean “make it fair with FFP” …. They looked at the areas teams like United and Liverpool had massive edges in terms of revenue and decided those would be the only legitimate ways teams would be allowed to count money towards FFP.
Over a 15 year period City’s net spend is only 200 million higher than United's… which is A minuscule difference for a period that long.
So while they may face super harsh penalties for how they reported acquiring those funds, the idea that they blew United away in spending and that’s the only reason they won… isn’t really true. They spent their money better and built better teams and a better organizational structure.
But the whole “people would be coming after us with pitchforks if this was United” seems totally off. The footballing world and the PL have gone out their way to shield teams like United and ensure they don’t get completely run over despite their incompetent owners and structure. The whole system is designed to protect legacy advantage; so those arguments and lamentations seem disingenuous.
In a genuinely fair world, teams would either be allowed to spend whatever the owners are willing to spend, OR everyone would be set to the same spending limit, regardless.
But the legacy fanbases don’t want “fairness”. That’s the biggest crock. They want the same 2 or 3 teams to contend every year and for nothing to infringe upon their entitlement.
So no, if United and their traditional powers were still spending teams into oblivion there wouldn’t be “outrage” … there probably wouldn’t even be FFP rules… because things would still be going as the PTB want them to.
I can get United fans being mad because City have the team United feel like they deserved. But acting like one of the richest, highest spending teams on earth is some sort of perpetual victim is just odd.
Your owners are more to blame than City.
You mean their declared spend? Or their actual spend?
Your argument completely disregards the fact that they have spent far more than they have reported in their accounts. This is one of the core reasons for the charges against them. Based on their accounts it may be a £200m net spent difference but the reality is way more. Haaland for example is being paid over £600k a week, which is more than double what any other club pays their best player in the Premier League.
How many players have 2 salaries and being paid from shell companies, just like Mancini was?
Also the inflation they caused in the transfer market which has lead to other clubs having to pay the same level in an attempt to catch up with them.
How the hell do you think the ‘footballing world and the PL’ were ‘protecting’ United when the purchase by Glazers with United’s OWN MONEY was allowed to go ahead?!
It is an absolute disgrace that the purchase was allowed, yet the authorities gave it the green light.
I believe that this type of buyout is now barred?
United have been shat on, not protected.
Citys' epic scale, unprecedented cheating ways has got nowt to do with Uniteds' economically parasitical and football-wise incompetent ownership. The parasites have indeed been disastrous for United but we need to seperate that seperate issue from Citys' cheating and corruption.
United have indeed suffered at the hands of the cheating CFC scam but so too have Liverpool and all the premier league teams who came 'second' to the cheats, and those clubs who missed the top four and so missed out on Championship league money as well as those clubs who were relegated too.
All of these clubs who have suffered due to the cheats should be financially compensated by CFC and their puppet club should have all illegally gained titles strippebrand be kicked out of and banned from the Premier league for at least 5 years.
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I'm sure it's been dealt with earlier in this thread but are we happy that United aren't at risk of being charged under the FFP regulations.
I don't want to get too giddy about City being punished only to read in the paper some day that we, too, are being charged.
I don't want to get too giddy about City being punished only to read in the paper some day that we, too, are being charged.
We can't have Arsenal there - football is a family sport and their name has a bad word in it. Please remove. Take the Liverpool ones out as well please because they just look plain wrong. Goes without saying that Blackburn, Leicester and Spurs shouldn't be there either for very obvious reasons.This is the proper table, because we're having Chelsea as well, if this is the proper non-corrupt history.
No, I said something about them breaking rules. My post, see below, was in response to the idea that justice would be harsher if it was United. The idea that United is somehow persecuted.
I believe I mentioned that they broke rules and will certainly face sanctions. The argument is the sanctimonious nature of some of the protests, and the generally accepted idea that City have spent every team into oblivion
Are there some accusations of “side” money, yes, but til we know the scope of those we are working with the numbers we are working with, and they aren’t far off United. It would be tough to see them having to offer a ton of side money to get players in recent years, as they are simply the more attractive destination. They aren’t just the better team, they have also developed the bettter players and contributed more to English player development.
How have they protected United? Well, that’s fairly obvious. Not even getting into the miracles of “Fergie Time”, or getting 10 minutes of added time when your down by a goal (which … just happened again)…
The whole concept of anti money doping rules were to protect the sovereignty of the established powers.
“You can spend money… as long as it’s money from certain sources”
“Well, we want to build up a team that can eventually make money from those types of sources.”
“Can’t allow that. You have to already have the massive following if you want to earn the massive following”
It is STILL happening. Chelsea had a perfectly legitimate company offer sponsorship, and not only had to provide 10 years of financial records, the company had to convince, in writing, why they would want to invest in a depreciated, non-European football team.
When TeamViewer sponsored United their offer was greater than the value of their company. Did anyone even care? The rules are different for United.
So City’s sins aside, it annoys fanbases when United act like massive victims.
You’re clearly just an ABU. The Fergie time point is a load of nonsense. It’s no different to City or Liverpool now. Good teams find a way to win at the end of a game.
If anything Chelsea were given an unbelievable opportunity to transition from a club owned by a Russian oligarch. His UK assets should have been ceased. Instead it led to a special arrangement where additional investment had to be put into the club. On top of that the club tried to find a work around FFP and spent nearly £1b in transfer in two years.
Your club treats youngsters like trading cards, with no intention to actually use them in your own squad. The only you’re pissed about FFP is because Chelsea are a micro version of City.
I know we are supposed to attack the post and not the poster….United have done enough damage to this one in any case I suppose.It's very unlikely that transfer spend is higher than reported. The cheating will be mainly inflated income, and some of it deflated wage costs.
Genuine question to you, other city fans, Newcastle fans and all these fans who play the “cartel card” . Do you understand and comprehend that you yourselves stepped over an absolute stream of other clubs to achieve your success?.
Why do you guys seemingly miss this all the time you rant and rave about United Liverpool and arsenal.
When you were cheating and stepped ahead of the likes of Villa, Everton, Spurs, do you think you were doing the Pl a favour?
And also Liverpool have been more successful in the Pl era with citys state backing than they were before citys state backing. They have also got a net spend less than teams smaller than them and with less revenues.
You guys ought to educate yourself and get some self awareness. The crying and bitching over this “cartel” is absolute nonsense.