Don't forget that they're also corrupt1. I wouldn't take much stock in UEFA, they've proven to be incompetent in general
Don't forget that they're also corrupt1. I wouldn't take much stock in UEFA, they've proven to be incompetent in general
1. I wouldn't take much stock in UEFA, they've proven to be incompetent in general
2. CAS threw out anything time barred, but that doesn't mean the time barred material was rock solid proof of City wrong doing (it could be, it could not be). All we know is that time barred stuff got thrown out (which meant City didn't have to bother defending it, seeing they knew UEFA's rules better than UEFA, ṣee point 1 above) and City successfully defended the non-time barred stuff before CAS.
ADUG had funded the payments, and that: “The management of [MCFC] was well aware that the payments … made by [a third party on behalf of ADUG] were made as equity funding, not as payments for the sponsor on account of genuine sponsorship liabilities.”
I was listening to the radio and they were talking about the Reading case and in regards to the EFL they can disqualify owners but can't force them to sell clubs. Not sure if that's the same for the PL or not.
I’d be satisfied with a relegation from the football league, the stripping of titles and a massive fine if it was just the cheating.
But the fact they have refused to cooperate, and have plowed money into legal obfuscation which in turn, has forced the league to spend huge sums on fighting them - money which could have been far better spent elsewhere in the game, means their owners by definition are not fit and proper.
They need to be removed from the football pyramid until such a time as there has been a change of ownership. They have proven beyond any reasonable doubt that they cannot be trusted and anything else is a cop out.
What about The senior European lawyers in the CFCB’s adjudicatory chamber? Are they also incompetent? Can we just disregard their judgement too? I really want to carry on believing that everyone else is incompetent and the bad guys always win.
Then the other PL clubs may as well tell the PL where to stick their regulations.I would be really surprised if anything bad happens due to the political implications. Same with Newcastle and Saudi. PL has backed itself into a corner as has the government.
That's what I'm saying. We didn't have a chance to hear City's defense for that. And didn't need to. Because it was time barred. They may have a reasonable defense for that.
But hopefully the PL investigation (where there is no time barred concept) sheds light on it.
They’ll get relegated 100%
Just depends how many tiers.
There’s something I’ve always wondered about the UEFA case.
In real life, if you were up on a charge that had a statute of limitations, surely you couldn’t just throw money and lawyers at delaying proceedings until enough time had passed for it to be thrown out?
I assume that so long as the charges had been brought before the statute had passed, you would be prosecuted as normal?
Am I wrong in thinking that and if not, why wasn’t the same logic applied in City’s case?
I believe the statute passed prior to charges as far as I'm aware due to city hiding the evidence as the committed the wrongdoing. Then hackers got the info who passed on to German papers which forced uefa to begin investigating. Then city tried to drag it out by failing to Co operate etc. But basically they were in clear from get go or shortly after with statute
I believe the Prem and the other leagues are almost separate, in that the prem has no jurisdiction on things such as this.
They can simply kick them out the prem - so they go down one league. This is because of how the prem came to be, it was basically a separate league so the current top tier clubs in div 1 at the time branched off and created the premier league they signed the Founder Members Agreement, establishing the basic principles for the setting up of the Premier League.
"The competition was founded as the FA Premier League on 20 February 1992 following the decision of First Division (top-tier league from 1888 until 1992) clubs to break away from the English Football League. However, teams may still be relegated to and promoted from the EFL Championship. "
Yeah, not sure why people still go on about relegation as a punishment, it can't just happen like that. It can only happen if the PL issue a points deduction that guarantees relegation at the end of the season.
As far as I know. The PL can expel them, they will then have to apply to the football league for membership, the football league if they accept the application will decide what level of the pyramid they will enter. Could be anywhere from the Championship to level 6-9 or something like that.
Then the other PL clubs may as well tell the PL where to stick their regulations.
As far as I know. The PL can expel them, they will then have to apply to the football league for membership, the football league if they accept the application will decide what level of the pyramid they will enter. Could be anywhere from the Championship to level 6-9 or something like that.
Perhaps they’ll start the example for a foreign club to enter the Saudi Pro League. Win-win situation.The EFL dont have to accept them but if they do I think City would have to start from League 2, if they dont then City would have to apply to the National League for membership.
City could also end having no Football at all for a season if their application to join cant be processed in time to join for the next season following expulsion from the Premier League.
Then they will get all they deserve. They moan when they get punished for trying to stay in PL, but do nothing when someone is cheating to win things. I have always thoughts the PL has ruined football. It all became about greed rather than glory.The same clubs that couldn't even agree to oppose the possibility of Newcastle loaning players from their parent company's other assets?
It made sense in the first place, don't worry. Everyone understood you. They did get off on technicalities, the wording from UEFA clearly indicated they believed they were guilty.
The EFL dont have to accept them but if they do I think City would have to start from League 2, if they dont then City would have to apply to the National League for membership.
City could also end up having no Football at all for a season if their application to join cant be processed in time to join for the next season following expulsion from the Premier League.
Yes I understand where you are coming from but I just do not see it. I think the feeling that a lot of posters have about city getting away with it due to some nebulous corruption just ignores the incentives each organisation has, the way parties have acted so far and previous evidence.
The PL obviously want to prosecute (is that the right word for this situation?) otherwise the charges would not have been brought, city are obviously scrambling because they cannot appeal to CAS and are delaying as much as possible and the government are already threatening to bring in an independent regulator. I just don't see how this lines up to city "getting away with it", these charges are unprecedented and the scale of them is crazy. You can't just slap 115 charges down then let them go on their merry way, there would be uproar, the PL would get shafted for being incompetent and get even tighter regulations.
Too much smoke and the easiest way out for most parties is to string city up.
You won't be seeing Pep or the big stars there. You might see that kid who scored against Newcastle.Imagine rocking up for you Sunday league team and you face City while extremely hungover. One can dream...
In many countries, financial crimes have a statute of limitations. Murder is perhaps the only crime that doesn’t.This whole time barred thing from UEFA is bollocks. If there's a murder committed and you don't find the murderer until 30 years later, no one is going to say it's alright mate, that was ages ago.
Edit: I’m stupid I didn’t look earlier in the thread I thought this was from today!
In many countries, financial crimes have a statute of limitations. Murder is perhaps the only crime that doesn’t.
This whole time barred thing from UEFA is bollocks. If there's a murder committed and you don't find the murderer until 30 years later, no one is going to say it's alright mate, that was ages ago.
Interesting. So he does think they will be relegated IF proven guilty. But that IF is really really big and he thinks its nigh on impossible for the PL to prove that.
As we were folks