Yes, the Premier League does need to comply with UK law is the answer.
City and Financial Doping | Charged by PL with 130 FFP breaches | Hearing begins 16th Sep 2024 | Concluded 9th Dec 2024 - Awaiting outcome
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Yes, the Premier League does need to comply with UK law is the answer.
So you would be ok with the PL passing a rule that is contrary to law ?
I am on the side of due process yet you seem to be suggesting the PL can set rules regardless.
You seem to disagree to the arbitration option because it’s City if the PL didn’t have this route almost certainly they would be taking the matter to the High Court
I can see why he’s dislikable but I love listening to him.
So how long of a time based punishment reflects nearly two decades of cheating worse than Lance Armstrong?
What I'd want - owners barred, all titles voided, binned off to the North West local gub division level 10
What will happen? Probably a big fine, couple of windows transfer ban - with a decent notice before hand and points ban or if we're very lucky a single tier relegation. Nothing done to the titles.
The Guardian is a useful newspaper when it comes to exposing government corruption and the like, but it's sport pages are painful.
If you go to BTL and mention sportswashing, you will most likely have your comment removed and your account soon deactivated. The best bit is how they advertise themselves as 'fighting sportswashing' but gush over Guardiola, de Bruyne and such.
A smart media company that, burning the candle at both ends, but it's desperately disappointing otherwise.
They’re killing the league. The rest of the teams shouldn’t just break away and form a new one. City not being in it won’t affect its popularity at all given they’re a shit little fraud operation anyway.
I think City, Newcastle, Everton, and anyone else backing City should break away and form their own league where they can set their own rules and spend as much as they want.
The PL are both feet in with this one and City know they're fecked. That's why we're seeing desperate legal stalling tactics, trying to get as many more golden eggs out of the hen before it's head gets cut off.
Yeah boot them as well then they all happily go somewhere and play by their own rules
Might be nothing but I've just started noticing that Man City "to be relegated" has started dropping dramatically on bookies.
To give you an example, bet365 in the past couple of weeks has dropped them to 16/1 from 2000/1. 16/1 still feels like long odds when you consider the charges against them but it's not nothing..
To give you an example, bet365 in the past couple of weeks has dropped them to 16/1 from 2000/1. 16/1 still feels like long odds when you consider the charges against them but it's not nothing..
What I have heard (not sure if its true) is that Newcastle agree with City in certain areas - but are not willing to do anything that will alienate them with the other clubs. So they will not back City 100%
Agree with you entirely, the lucidity of the article above made it stand out from the usual guff for me.
Poll please:
As a football fan, are you too stupid to know that City are massive cheats?
Yes
No
But if a football fan was too stupid to realize City have been cheating all these years. Would they be smart enough to realize they are stupid?
Bold of you to assume that any of us can read.
There are plenty on this site peddling the IF found guilty line to this very day who will be siding with City, even as non-City fans, if they aren’t charged.
First hearing is tomorrow right?
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Yes, starts tomorrow. Behind closed doors, so not sure whether the press will have any updates on how it's going, other than the final verdict.
This was the same as the FA Cup final weekend and a helpful person on here explained that this is not really that exciting.
According to the poster who replied to me, someone betting on them even with a small stake can massively affect the odds
Yes. the Premier league does need to comply with UK law.
What City will have to prove is the Premier League violated articles and rules all the clubs had previously agreed to.
That is all the Court will look at.
There is no way those 115 charges would have been brought if City had complied with the articles and rules all clubs had previously agreed to.
This is nothing but a last desperate attempt by the City owners to save face with their fans.
They know they are screwed.
What City will have to prove is the Premier League violated articles and rules all the clubs had previously agreed to.
That is all the Court will look at.
There is no way those 115 charges would have been brought if City had complied with the articles and rules all clubs had previously agreed to.
This is nothing but a last desperate attempt by the City owners to save face with their fans.
They know they are screwed.
I have been a United fan for over 30 years, since Cantona first signed for the club.
I've seen the rivalries and the battles over the years, but nothing in football makes me as angry as Manchester City and what they have done - and are continuing to do - to this league.
It is absolutely abhorrent that this small time, mid table club was able to become a powerhouse in world football purely down to blatant and obvious cheating. Their *treble was one of the most nauseating things I'd ever seen, especially all of the articles fawning over Guardiola - whilst continually ignoring how they got there in the first place. Not to mention they won the CL in a season where they shouldn't have even been in the CL in the first place.
Nobody seemed to care when they were purchased by the Sheikh, as we were the dominant team in the league at the time, and therefore they weren't fussed if they upset United's dominance. So they've allowed this monster to be created by allowing this awful owner to buy the club who expects to get his own way all of the time, and refuses to be told "no" about anything. Now, it's come back to bite them in a big way.
If this rotten, evil little club somehow squirm their way out of this, the league is as good as over.
Let's hope that they lose this case, the 115 charges stick, and that this rotten club is banished forever so that the game can finally have a chance to recover.
I've seen the rivalries and the battles over the years, but nothing in football makes me as angry as Manchester City and what they have done - and are continuing to do - to this league.
It is absolutely abhorrent that this small time, mid table club was able to become a powerhouse in world football purely down to blatant and obvious cheating. Their *treble was one of the most nauseating things I'd ever seen, especially all of the articles fawning over Guardiola - whilst continually ignoring how they got there in the first place. Not to mention they won the CL in a season where they shouldn't have even been in the CL in the first place.
Nobody seemed to care when they were purchased by the Sheikh, as we were the dominant team in the league at the time, and therefore they weren't fussed if they upset United's dominance. So they've allowed this monster to be created by allowing this awful owner to buy the club who expects to get his own way all of the time, and refuses to be told "no" about anything. Now, it's come back to bite them in a big way.
If this rotten, evil little club somehow squirm their way out of this, the league is as good as over.
Let's hope that they lose this case, the 115 charges stick, and that this rotten club is banished forever so that the game can finally have a chance to recover.
As much as I agree with everything you said..
Referring to the bolded part of your post; let’s be honest, this club is not going anywhere. At best, their trophies during that specific period in question might get taken away and rewarded to us and others instead. And they could face relegation.
But they’ll never be banished forever. They’ll be back and always remain in the conversation of winning.
If you are domiciled in the UK you have to pay tax on global income, wherever it accrues. You can deduct foreign tax expenses in cases where there's a treaty to avoid double taxation.
It doesn't matter where your bank account is. It makes it harder to establish the taxable income, sure, but if it materialises somehow e.g. via Panama Papers or similar, you are up the creek as you would have lied in your tax return.
You can make the case that you are NOT domiciled in the UK but elsewhere, have no intention to stay, etc. In that case you get taxed on the greater of income received in the UK (i.e. paid into a UK bank account) or the share of global income corresponding to days you spent in the UK.
However, non-domiciled status can only be claimed for three years and I'd guess most players (maybe not managers) have contracts that run for longer than that so they probably dismiss the non-dom argument outright.
Of course they won't be banished forever, nor should they be. Let's not forget its their owners who cheated. So while they need punished and hopefully a forced change of ownership their fans don't deserve to see their club banned forever.
I don’t know about that..
To be quite honest, every single conga dancing, banana waving, gloat merchant in that fanbase, who vehemently defends the owners and shuts every 115 discussion down with "cry" or waffle about grass length, deserves everything that they get.
As far as I'm concerned we should be putting the year counter banner back up, with an asterisks beside it, and disregard every single trophy they have won under that ownership.
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They deserve all their trophies taken away and assigned to another club called 115 charge City. In all fairness they do not deserve those trophies. I dont care a whole lot about relegation, even if it benefits us. It is all about what they won...take back that CL too...although that's for UEFA to deal with and I guess it is too late there.
There needs to be a clear message. I find the entertaining of the thought that the PL is in the wrong going after City pretty humorous. You follow rules. Doctors have to follow the medical staff hospital bylaws...football clubs follow the PL. Lots of entities have bylaws out there, and it seems to me they are likely guilty of cooking the books the books in various ways if not more, so f them. I personally believe the govt should investigate the matter further.
There needs to be a clear message. I find the entertaining of the thought that the PL is in the wrong going after City pretty humorous. You follow rules. Doctors have to follow the medical staff hospital bylaws...football clubs follow the PL. Lots of entities have bylaws out there, and it seems to me they are likely guilty of cooking the books the books in various ways if not more, so f them. I personally believe the govt should investigate the matter further.
Personally i don't think the trophies would be awarded to anyone retrospectively. The Italian FA didn't when they relegated Juve, they just scratched those years from the records instead.
I agree, void them BUT the Italian FA awarded I think 1 of them to Inter, then voided the other 1. Maybe the numbers are wrong but Inter, and ironically, Mancini, were given at least 1 default title.
2004 was voided while 2005 was given to inter.
Ah good to know!
I actually prefer Liverpool winning the league next year, if the other alternative is City. I hate City extra much for making me feel that way.
What was the reason for voiding one and awarding the other out of interest?
Milan won it in 2004, 2005 was voided, and 2006 was awarded to Inter after court hearings snd Juventus being moved to the bottom of the table
They are probably going to get away with it due to government pressure. Like what happened with Newcastle. Just again proving that a state, dictatorship or not, should NEVER be allowed to own a football club. And it's disgrace they are allowed to.
Football in this country is rotten to the core. I've said it before, but the whole thing needs nuking and starting again. Broken beyond repair.
Football in this country is rotten to the core. I've said it before, but the whole thing needs nuking and starting again. Broken beyond repair.
It was controversial, die hard juve gans claim the federation was in on it with inter considering the latter finished third in both of those season behind Milan and juve.
In my opinion both of them should have been voided if they were going for that approach.