City and Financial Doping | Charged by PL with 130 FFP breaches | Hearing begins 16th Sep 2024 | Concluded 9th Dec 2024 - Awaiting outcome

[Sandikan]

I've debated posting this on here for a while but I've heard from a friend that works for Chelsea that he has spoken to his City counterpart and City are anticipating a points deduction of -80 points and a three year transfer ban as a result of the 115 charges.

First of all, if true then I don't think that's anywhere near a strong enough punishment and I don't know how enforceable that actually is. I've never thought that a transfer ban would be applicable here either.

Secondly City and their antics are a plague on the game. Their fans try and paint themselves as some plucky underdogs rising from the shadows but in reality they are the Donald Trump of football. They have got to the top in the worst way imaginable and their fans that defend the ownership are an embarrassment to the city of Manchester.

Transfer bans have to be immediate or you just get teams doing what City just did, buy tonnes of young high value players.

80 points would at least get rid of them for one year and cause them some fun trying to balance championship income with sky high wages, but its taken 15 years to get to this stage on way more serious breaches so it'd be laughable thinking that'd make any difference

 

[Lentwood]

Transfer bans have to be immediate or you just get teams doing what City just did, buy tonnes of young high value players.

80 points would at least get rid of them for one year and cause them some fun trying to balance championship income with sky high wages, but its taken 15 years to get to this stage on way more serious breaches so it'd be laughable thinking that'd make any difference

80 points would be more effective if it was applied at the start of next season. That way, they would essentially have two wasted seasons at least.

 

[Beachryan]

Surely just for the lolz it should be 115/130 points?

I wish I thought something even that punitive was possible, but I still think it'll be a transfer ban coupled with an enormous fine. Which won't change a thing of course.

All I'd like to see is the Premier League cover the papers with actual headlines of "City found guilty of systematic cheating over multiple seasons, premier league titles should be nullified". What we'll get with City's purchasing of the media will be "City and the Premier League have agreed to settle the 115 charges behind closed doors, and both now view the matter as settled."

 

[Sandikan]

80 points would be more effective if it was applied at the start of next season. That way, they would essentially have two wasted seasons at least.

Yep it would be a real let off letting them smuggle this year's drop off away.

It would be a weird scenario starting -80 though, knowing your whole season is a write off and even winning all 38 games would still see you relegated

And then potentially still starting the next season on minus...though wouldn't be much

 

[MaMa given red]

I agree, it's no sort of deterent to give them something that may set them back for a season or two at most. Any sort of punishment needs to be long term.

 

[tomaldinho1]

I agree, it's no sort of deterent to give them something that may set them back for a season or two at most. Any sort of punishment needs to be long term.

The main realistic thing is that they are forced to admit their guilt. They have no care for fines or transfer bans, even relegations don’t really change much long term but it has to made clear that the recent success was achieved by cheating. No grey area, no technicalities, something forever seen as a period of systematic cheating.

 

[SER19]

What I think is very telling is that when this story broke one of the main talking points was stripping titles. It has only been through a concereted effort to change the narrative that people are no longer even discussing this - thats the extent media in britain is in thrall to emirati money in my opinion. Without realising, time has been allowed to pass and the idea of what the absolute maximum punishment should be has grown less and less damaging and people seem to forget where we started.

Strip their titles, relegate them with a points deduction, and ban transfer business for 3 years. Make this horrible scam of a club pay for ruining football in england for a decade.

 

[ShinjiNinja26]

A one off docking of 80 points is nowhere near enough of a punishment. Sure they’d get relegated but it would only be for one season and they’d bounce straight back up and it would be business as usual again. You’d really need to strip them of all titles won during the timeframe in question as well to make it a worthy punishment.

If not then dock them 80 points for the next three seasons in the PL, so if they gain promotion from the championship then they automatically start that PL season on -80 points and you rinse and repeat that a further two times when they enter the league again.

 

[terraloo]

I've debated posting this on here for a while but I've heard from a friend that works for Chelsea that he has spoken to his City counterpart and City are anticipating a points deduction of -80 points and a three year transfer ban as a result of the 115 charges.

First of all, if true then I don't think that's anywhere near a strong enough punishment and I don't know how enforceable that actually is. I've never thought that a transfer ban would be applicable here either.

Secondly City and their antics are a plague on the game. Their fans try and paint themselves as some plucky underdogs rising from the shadows but in reality they are the Donald Trump of football. They have got to the top in the worst way imaginable and their fans that defend the ownership are an embarrassment to the city of Manchester.

I am far from sure that a transfer ban is within the list if sanctions that the panel have available irrespective no much how much we would all want this to be true I won’t believe anything about anything until I read the written reasons

 

[T_Model101]

RYep it would be a real let off letting them smuggle this year's drop off away.

It would be a weird scenario starting -80 though, knowing your whole season is a write off and even winning all 38 games would still see you relegated

And then potentially still starting the next season on minus...though wouldn't be much

Starting on -80, whilst I would agree with it, makes all of City's games irrelevant. Are the PL not obligated to show a certain percentage of each teams matches live?
Who will care when it's City Vs West Ham and City are on -50 points?
Who is actually going to be invested in watching that?
It hurts the "product". I can only see it working if Sky really lean into it and go over the top with the commentary and YouTube thumbnails
"Haaland scores 5, as City climb to -50!"

 

[Mb194dc]

Points deduction would be for this season, like the ones last year, surely.

 

[Sandikan]

Points deduction would be for this season, like the ones last year, surely.

Would be interesting as would mess up the relegation situation.
Whereas at least it'd be known what the situation is from day 1 next.

It'd be better for City to go down this season as this year was already a bust.

 

[Damon1559]

No matter how much people talk them up, how much we are told they will be th ebiggest and bestest team ever to have teamed.

The fact is, even when they give the fecking tickets away to local schools, they still can't fill the stadium. Not even for the champions league. Under the thick layer of gloss, they are a small club with an inferiority complex.

And that is all they wil ever be.

I'd bet most of their actual fans look back at the years of cheering on shaun goater and Georgi Kinkladze as they inevitably scored against us every time we played them with fondness. They were much more a part of a real club back then.

I completely agree with what you have said mate but unfortunately I can't imagine the youth of tomorrow caring about how they got to where they are. If nothing happens to City over the 115+ charges then I would imagine it will be forgotten about in a few years time and they will continue to cheat their way to becoming the most decorated club in the PL in the next 10/20 years. We will know but we'll be the minority in the background telling anyone that will listen about how their trophies shouldn't even count..
I seriously hope for footballs sake that they get punished and their trophies are voided or atleast have a asterisk beside them going forward. I see it being the end of football for quite a few people otherwise, unfortunately.

 

[Irwin99]

A one off docking of 80 points is nowhere near enough of a punishment. Sure they’d get relegated but it would only be for one season and they’d bounce straight back up and it would be business as usual again. You’d really need to strip them of all titles won during the timeframe in question as well to make it a worthy punishment.

If not then dock them 80 points for the next three seasons in the PL, so if they gain promotion from the championship then they automatically start that PL season on -80 points and you rinse and repeat that a further two times when they enter the league again.

Isn't the time frame for these charges 2010-2018 or something like that? I saw an interview of Pep bragging about how Liverpool couldn't reach 100 points this season and then he listed off his other 'achievements' with City like the domestic treble in that humble way of his- it would be funny if two of them were declared null .