Sus behaviour from other clubs. Does beg the question how many clubs will actually end up backing City in the end. I think the PL will lose that City case next week.
City and Financial Doping | Charged by PL with 130 FFP breaches | Hearing begins 16th Sep 2024 | Concluded 9th Dec 2024 - Awaiting outcome
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Sus behaviour from other clubs. Does beg the question how many clubs will actually end up backing City in the end. I think the PL will lose that City case next week.
You can't do that anymore, the max allowed now if I recall correctly is 5 or maybe 6
It’s five.
I think it might be more because that kind of financial option is open to more clubs(for example sale and lease back on the stadium at preferential terms) than the whole mega sponsorships thing is, so they are less inclined to rule it out. It's more of a one off get out of the shit thing than a perpetual fudge like sponsorships, and to an extent more may need that. At least I'm hoping that otherwise yeah it's not great foreboding.
Were Barca not selling to actual other companies though?
Long term contract amortisation has been abolished from FFP rules I believe?
But you wouldn’t have it that Chelsea didn’t have to make player sales. Maybe not exact words but you stated as fact that player sales up to 30/6/24 had to exceed £100 million. As an aside I think there will be some player sales and ironically they will be in excess to the number you said but those sales will be in the main in the 24/25 year
Not quite sure what vote you are talking about when it comes to City yes there is an arbitration hearing but the clubs certainly aren’t voting on
Ah thanks, so yeah they are worried it was going too wide. Makes sense to be more specific and not throw the baby out with the bathwater. Thats a relief.
The thing that stands out above all else for me in this is how City have more lawyers than fans.
You say that but ticket sales have never been higher. I remember only 20 years ago there were PL teams who had empty seats everywhere, whereas now those same teams sell out most games.
No but some clubs are giving evidence for their case and some against their case, Chelsea still have their ongoing investigation of potentially
, paying players and agent fees and not declaring them in their financial yearly accounts under Abrahmovic, the Chelsea scenario is likely heard just after City, so politically they probably need to tread very carefully right now, don’t you think?
All the PL clubs have been asked their opinion that’s correct but the arbitration will deal with simply the case bought by City against the PL and opinion of clubs will be of little interest to the arbitration panel who will try to resolve the dispute in accord with English Law
Chelsea do indeed have an ongoing investigation into incomplete records but we don’t really know an awful lot about what that entails save what has been reported . I have to be honest I am surprised it has taken so long but not quite sure Chelsea have to do anything other than make sure that everything post the change of ownership is 100% transparent
One of the problems that the PL may have is that the supposed payments came for RA and he no longer is duty bound to supply information, speak to or even engage with the authorities in any shape or form . If BlueCo have truly disclosed everything they have then I would have thought the investigation would have concluded by now
There is difference between fans and consumers. PR machine is working good and money is still there but it feels like house of Cards.
Started off strong. Thomas Frank was in favour of the 5 subs rule and scrapping FA Cup replays. Bloody Brentford cartel.
Wait, are you saying City are part of this cartel? They've won 4 in a row and normalised getting 90+ points evey season, which had led to a far inferior league than previous decades.
When did United push for bending the rules in our favour? They can only spend what they generate as a club. That’s the opposite of "corrupt crap" and relies on income generated from the fanbase.
Hang on.
You need way more analysis than that to say the Premier League is getting more popular.
I'm talking about viewers and attendances. Both are up.
Well they are up for
a) The opening gameweek of last season on Sky.
b) Attendances on average (actually went down compared to last season)
A) Without the context for the games and the amount of games shown that is an absolutely pointless statistic.
B) Attendances are depending on the clubs in the Prem. Last year with Luton coming up and Leicester/Leeds going down they were always going to drop.
pesky 'Everton' fans.That's the end of Premier League when another team can overpower them in a court of law
Do gross spend rather than net. Net only shows how good a team is at selling players.
Awfully curious how when a case is brought against Abu Dhabi it drags on for years, yet the minute they bring a case against someone, it happens within a couple of weeks.
Probably because the premier league won’t obstruct the case and drag it out for years, whereas that is exactly what Abu Dhabi FC have done
Yeah the quite clear and obvious reason is other clubs aren’t doing everything they can to delay and obstruct investigation. City have been doing that for years. Which is always a logical thing to do if you’ve got nothing to hide.
People keep saying a court of law it’s not it’s an arbitration panel.
Personally I don’t have a problem with the process simply because all clubs have the right to ask a question as it were in what is an independent setting.
We need to look at where we are. City believe or should I say argue that a rule that has been passed is contrary to UK Law.
Now I have no idea of the legal arguments but if legal experts come to the conclusion that the rule is indeed contrary to law then of course it should be either withdrawn or more likely amended
People are being overly dramatic in all this but just reflect and take matters to the extreme say the PL ruled that Utd say had to play all their home games behind close doors for no reason save it rains a lot in Manchester wouldn’t you expect Utd to challenge that even if it meant asking for the matter to go to arbitration
The City 115 case went through the arbitration process quite a while ago.
Of course City have tried to delay the case at every stage but in terms of legal arguments and process this was always going to take time and people really want to look at the charge sheet each matter will be a separate legal case in its own right
I am ok with the PL not taking any short cuts, not dotting every i and crossing every T because as we know from the case at UEFA Cities tactics worked had UEFA dotted and crossed things it’s highly likely the ruling at CAS would have been different
Thoughts? Joleon Lescott thinks fans are too stupid to know that City are massive cheats
As good an analysis of *’s challenge with the PL as I’ve read so far. Cuts through a lot of the speculation whirling around this and the other thread…
https://www.theguardian.com/football/article/2024/jun/08/manchester-city-premier-league-legal-case
https://www.theguardian.com/football/article/2024/jun/08/manchester-city-premier-league-legal-case
It's not "likely" is it? That's just what we'd like.
According to this we'll not even find out the result of this hearing. I hadn't realised that!
Exactly what I would expect someone who supports a team on City's side is going to say
Well, it’s a private matter I suppose. A member can challenge the League rules at any time but it isn’t a public entity, so is under no obligation to publish to us minions.
A leak, like the one to The Times, or the rules being challenged changing (or not) will likely give us a pretty good clue though!
When Jordan drops the gimmick and the clickbait TalkSport instructions, he comes out with some great takes.
When 16 years of coordinated and deliberate corruption and money laundering is proven, you think a minimum of 5 years expulsion is unlikely?
He’s obviously right. There’s only a few sets of supporters (and even then, not all) who think this isn’t disgusting.
If City had done this when first taken over and before all the trophies, that’d be one thing but to enter… cheat, lie, prevaricate, throw lawyers at everything and THEN (when all is almost up), sue the league is disgusting.
It’s nothing to do with it being City, but they need to be hammered if found guilty. At least two relegations and every trophy taken off them. Suitable punishment AND deterrent.
If United did this, I’d probably stop supporting them… almost joining a Super League made me fecking angry as it was
That Guardian article seems like it is written with the belief city are in the right. Or at least that is my initial view of it.
Interesting point is though they seem to be saying that the Premier League have broken UK law. Does the Premier League, as a private club, need to comply with these laws I suppose is the question.
Interesting point is though they seem to be saying that the Premier League have broken UK law. Does the Premier League, as a private club, need to comply with these laws I suppose is the question.
I agree with the final part two, every single away fan should boycott them and anything to do with them next season. They are a threat to the league and to every other team, as if they won this case and the damages then we and their lickspittles pay the bill. I wonder if the likes of Everton etc understand that.
Their fans are beta/**** mentality. Desperate for the success and recognition United had that they would accept it by any means, even being a sports washing PR organisation for a war crime committing, Human Rights abusing, pariah State.
Forever in our shadow.
Exceptionally so.