Not just that, Villa are in the UCL this season (and deservedly so). I'd be embarrassed if as a United fan we'd still be in a 'super league' after such a dreadful season.
City and Financial Doping | Charged by PL with 130 FFP breaches | Hearing begins 16th Sep 2024 | Concluded 9th Dec 2024 - Awaiting outcome
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I missed the stories about United taking the league to court to ask for rules fixed in our favour. Can you point me in the right direction?
I agree with the whole thing needing a massive reset. A reset with state owned clubs kicked out and explicit controls regarding who can own an English football club put in place.
In 2003/03, ten years after the Premier League was created and after ten years of relative domination by United - the difference between total spend (transfers and wages) at the top of the table and the bottom half was roughly £300m. That's the total spend over a decade between clubs like United, Liverpool, Chelsea versus clubs like West Ham, Middlesbrough and Blackburn.
Today that difference is close to £6bn.
People want us to believe it's a "cartel" of the established elite that is the problem, but Manchester United was the richest club in the world and dominated England for close to two decades without ever creating a financial gap like we see today. The top 2 which at various stages contained Leeds, Villa, Blackburn, Newcastle, Liverpool, Arsenal and Chelsea, eventually became a top 4, and then a Big 6 and now suddenly a "cartel". As if sides haven't broken in and then out of contention over time.
City and their paid for friends in the media are very clever at setting an agenda for themselves, and painting United, Liverpool and Arsenal as the problem is an easy thing for fans who grew up watching their clubs get beat by our teams to swallow. But it's like the Tories blaming the results of their corrupt policies on immigrants - a red herring designed to take the heat off themselves. It doesn't measure up to reality.
It is harder to break into and then remain at the top nowadays, but that is a result of what City (on book and off book) and to a lesser extent Chelsea have done over the past 10 - 15 years. United have spent to try and compete, often unsuccessfully - but we are one of the few clubs in a position to even try. What City and the likes have done is far worse on the smaller clubs trying to make their way.
The sheer fact that the British government have had talks about a football clubs cheating with another soverign state that own said football club. Should in and of itself highlight why nation fecking states shouldn't be allowed to own English clubs.
Yes, Arsenal have been illegally paying managers by shell companies like Mancini. Or illegally paying players via shell companies. We have also got 1000s of leaks and emails saying we have cheated the league by hiding sources of payments in 100s of millions.
We are the same, you're right.
If the punishment is deemed paltry the other clubs should simply refuse to play until City are banished.
What could the league possibly do?they'd be finished.
The thing I don't get about 'the cartel' (which I think is supposed to be Arsenal, United, Liverpool and Spurs?) is how we're not consistently outvoted by the other 16 clubs we're supposedly trying to keep from competing with us. There just seems to be some vague suggestion of a giant conspiracy that's yet to be uncovered. Deep state, Qanon, day of reckoning type stuff, utterly embarrassing.
We are 2 days in to finding out and the season is over. What do you expect at this stage?It’s funny how English made this huge protests over SuperLeague but are happy to stay on their couches now that City is literally trying to takeover the PL and make their own rules. “Football is for the fans”
I have a small bit of hope that the PL will ask the new government for some help with this in August.
City's owners have brought the game into disrepute. And the British government need to sort it out. City were bought while Labour were still in power after all.
One of Villa's owners, Nassef Sawiris is from the Middle East. Egypt.
David Lammy to the rescue?
Imagine how shit United and Spurs of the past 10 years are at being in a cartel!
You don't see the boys in Mexico and Colombia rigging the game so they can be the 8th best drug dealers in town.
The Cartel doesnt exist, it was made up by City fans to justify their alledged wrong doing and has now been adopted by Newcastle and Everton fans.
One City fan claimed that everyone who is upset City is a fan of this completely fictional Cartel which is complete nonsence and that the current rules are preventing the likes of Villa, Everton, and West Ham from challenging but if the current rules prevent those clubs from challangeing then how did City and Leicester both manage it?
The truth is if City won tbe clubs above would end up much worse off than they are now as they would end up spending far beyond their means while getting no closer to challenging City and their unlimited transfer kitty.
“Red cartel”
Literally looking at a league table where two of those clubs finished above United. They honestly live in another world
Buying off Chelsea ever again should be vetoed. As should hiring your old managers.
I never realised when Chelsea and Arsenal were beating us to league titles they were trying to help us. I should have been cheering them on!
I suppose Chelsea, who sold buildings to Boehly's other company and inserted recurring management fees in the contracts in order to inflate their income, was totally aware of the rules.
What do City think will happen to the league if they win this? If anything they'll lose even more longterm if they win than if they lose, as will the rest of the clubs.
I don’t think Abu Dhabi really care much about competition in sport. That’s the real problem in all this.
The cartel
United have 1 title in 11 years, Liverpool 1 in 34ish, Arsenal 1 in 21.
These three have suffered the most by the PL letting mass murderers and one Putin's oligarchs buy into the league.
But sure, the league somehow wants to protect the traditional big clubs which makes...absolutely 0 sense?
United have 1 title in 11 years, Liverpool 1 in 34ish, Arsenal 1 in 21.
These three have suffered the most by the PL letting mass murderers and one Putin's oligarchs buy into the league.
But sure, the league somehow wants to protect the traditional big clubs which makes...absolutely 0 sense?
The cartel
United have 1 title in 11 years, Liverpool 1 in 34ish, Arsenal 1 in 21.
These three have suffered the most by the PL letting mass murderers and one Putin's oligarchs buy into the league.
you’re letting facts get in the way of their feelings.
Harsh, they’re obviously doing this to improve the competition
I'm not even surprised how they managed to get it completely wrong and believe they are the good guys in this, when that couldn't be further from the truth
If you receive an invitation to an embassy, don't go.The cartel
United have 1 title in 11 years, Liverpool 1 in 34ish, Arsenal 1 in 21.
These three have suffered the most by the PL letting mass murderers and one Putin's oligarchs buy into the league.
But sure, the league somehow wants to protect the traditional big clubs which makes...absolutely 0 sense?
True. They’re the hero we need, not the one we deserve.
Lukaku is still at Chelsea? What?!
From listening to The Price of Football podcast coverage around Everton/Forest, the EPL typically send out letters 6 months prior to this cut-off warning teams they are likely to breach.
Forest could have avoided breaching by selling Brennan Johnson but held out until the very end of the window for an extra £5-8m, after having the warming from the EPL 6-9 months earlier.
He might well be the hero we need in these dark times.
Tell that to Ashworth, not me
Given what they did to Forest and Everton, what should City's punishment be? Relegation to the 2nd division? Seems only fair given how the other clubs were treated for much, much less. Their legal challenge of the rules is basically an admission of guilt.
This means the two hotels sold count against our FFP and we are no longer on the list of sales needed.
The only thing "sad" is the fact that one of the most corrupt people in the game has spent years being lauded as the "bestest manager ever" with some even saying his achievements bypass Sir Alex's, when the only environment he's worked in without cheating is Bayern (unless there was shady stuff going on there too that just hasn't come out yet).
About time the truth started coming out about football's Lance Armstrong.
Somone stole their car when they were travelling to he hearing - but they will come eventually
If City do receive the worst punishment, which is being booted from the league, or even such a hefty points deduction that they're essentially relegated regardless of how many games they win. Then it will be interesting to see the player auction that happens. None of their players, Foden included, are going to care about loyalty to a team like City. They are all going to be straight out of the door.
You'd like to think most players naturally have a relegation clause in their contract which would allow them a quick and smooth exit.
I can see United, Arsenal, Chelsea being big contenders for their players.
You'd like to think most players naturally have a relegation clause in their contract which would allow them a quick and smooth exit.
I can see United, Arsenal, Chelsea being big contenders for their players.
Yes. I think there would be a ten year spending ban. Large points deduction which relegates them. I can’t see titles being stripped.
The answer to delaying tactics is to implement punishment as soon as possible, then the onus is on them to litigate as much as they want.
The Premier League taking an age to bring the charges to City have caused this, they have stuff going back to the Mancini era. They only have themselves to blame for creating the monster that is now City.
Anything short of a forced ownership change or an outright expulsion might not be enough, otherwise they'll get right back to it.
Doubt any severe measures like that will be taken but if did as other posters have alluded to we'd be wise to try our hand at getting some of their players, mainly rodri.
Doubt any severe measures like that will be taken but if did as other posters have alluded to we'd be wise to try our hand at getting some of their players, mainly rodri.