We don't play in a way which can get the best out of both Thiago and Pogba.
Christian Falk: Bayern make Thiago, Bernat, Vidal and Boateng available for transfer
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Not really, as long as the cohesion is there it should work. City have KDB, Silva and Fernandinho in their midfield. They are going for Jorginho and none of them are giants.
Yeah, you'll have to explain that one. Thiago can definitely play with Pogba IMO.
Meaning? In terms of physicality Fred and Pogba offer more than enough. Thiago is hard to get off the ball, too. Also, if anything it would be Pogba and Thiago with Matic deeper. Thiago can play the Matic role as well.
Why would they make Thiago available? He’s class. Let’s snap him up.
Thiago's the type of player (controller) I wanted in midfield alongside Pogba. If we can get him, I'd be all for it. Bayern wouldn't rip us off either if they're willing to sell. We'd have a lot of options in midfield:
Pogba---Thiago
--------Matic
Pogba---Fred
--------Thiago (He played as a #6 in the 2nd leg against Real)
Along with Pereira, Herrera and McTominay as other options. I reckon this would have been more likely had we not already signed Fred though. Though, we were interested in SMS until Lazio took the piss with the price, so perhaps this isn't too unlikely.
Pogba---Thiago
--------Matic
Pogba---Fred
--------Thiago (He played as a #6 in the 2nd leg against Real)
Along with Pereira, Herrera and McTominay as other options. I reckon this would have been more likely had we not already signed Fred though. Though, we were interested in SMS until Lazio took the piss with the price, so perhaps this isn't too unlikely.
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Yeah it wouldn’t work because of our style to be honest. City’s midfield works on that basis and Jorginho only improves that. We’d try turn Thiago into a defensive midfielder to mark Ozil all game.
If we don't count Bayern fans how many of you have watched Thiago regulary?
Would take all four of them in a heartbeat tbh
OMG we must sign everyone when they are available. Thiago boateng and vidal is a must
I'd snap up Thiago in a heartbeat if it were up to me. Sadly it's not up to me and I doubt Mourinho will be interested.
For a coach like Pep, sure. They'd need a good system to work with because they have similar tendencies in offense. I don't think Mourinho can get them to work. He'd prefer an upgraded herrera to partner Matic and Pogba
They don't really have similar play styles. I'd say Thiago's closer to Modric than Pogba. Someone like Modric is what we need.
That is tasty.
Thiago is exactly the sort of midfielder we need. Excellent passer, quite good defensively. Thiago isn't reliant on a system. Can sort of understand Bayern fans frustration with him, but we aren't as good as they are and he'd definitely be an improvement for us.
Apologies, I should have clarified, I didn't literally mean 'light-weight' in terms of physical size, but more in terms of permeability - I'm not sure any of them are natural holding players and I think we'd be left rather porous in that zone. Matic-Thiago-Pogba looks a lot better, but the Fred deal appears to be pretty much over the line, which makes a move for Thiago unlikely in my view.
Are they selling everyone who isn't white?
Thiago can definitely play that role and has been good in it. In big games it would be Matic anyway. I haven't seen enough of Fred to make a comment on how good he is defensively.
For what it's worth I am not sure, if there's actually a chance to get him or if he'd come to us. Would just love to have him on our team.
A midfield of James, Thiago (who was holding) and Tolisso worked fine against Real Madrid of all teams. I'd agree about the Fred deal making it less likely, but expecting someone from the Ukrainian league to come to the PL and hit the ground running might be a risk too.
He lives in his own world though. Most Bayern fans my ass. He's got an irrational dislike of Thiago because he was signed on Pep's explicit demand.
That being said, Thiago has been so-so for us. Great to watch often enough, but not doing anything of significance in KO games on the big stage. He's a bit like a Pogba of our own, so full of potential, but not living up to it too often. I'm torn on letting him go, not only because of his qualities, but also because of what replacing Thiago with Goretzka means for the club's aspirations and standing.
Very few players are good enough for the system to not really matter and thiago isn't one of them. In thiago and pogba, I see 2 players who love to spend an extra second with the ball and who'd do best with someone like modric to play with instead of one another. Under Mourinho, it'll be a lot of occupying similar spaces without knowing what to do with it. A problem compounded by Sanchez being in the mix too.
I don't think he's similar to Modric either. Modric is a master at playing quickly and running the game. These guys are best played with a modric.
He and Pogba don't occupy similar spaces tbh. I don't think Thiago plays as the most advanced midfielder very often. As a Bayern fan said earlier, he plays more as a #8 or #6. The only real similarity in play style between Pogba and Thiago is that they're both known for being skillful midfielders. Put Pogba in the role Thiago played against Real Madrid in the 2nd leg and Bayern's midfield probably get sliced through.
Fred as a 6, Thiago 8 and Pogba 10.
This seems more believable. Whenever I've watched him he's always seemed quality to me, so I was quite surprised by the damning assessment I received yesterday. Regarding It's I actually think he's the kind of CM we really need, perhaps more so than even Fred. But that being said I won't be holding my breath at the prospect of us signing him. Hope Jose proves me wrong but he doesn't seem like the kind of player Jose would go for.
Yeah, couldn't disagree more. Thiago can definitely play as the metronome.
We dint say that when Mourinho snapped up Ozil, Modric and Varane for Madrid over more attacking better manager in Fergie.
Mourinho ain't the most proactive or attacking manager but surrendering every top talent for pep is just insane and more attacking managers like Klopp does make no sense. I see no reason why they can't play together. We need to stop building everything around Pogba as he is overrated as well compared to World's elite midfielders of present and the past. We need to stop wrapping him up in a cotton wool and ignore what he is not good at and let him adapt as well to others in the team around him.
Have a Bayern mate, who also says says he wasn't as good during the second half of the season, but he still thinks he's a very good player. He'd be happy, if they sold Vidal to us, but not Thiago.
Thiago has stagnated. Would have chosen him ahead of any midfielder in the world 5 years ago, but he just hasn't progressed that much. Every season he has those couple of months when he looks like a world beater and has made the step forward, only to disappoint again.
Vidal is a big no no.
Obviously.
Who's Bayern's manager next season?
Kovac
Had to be said.
Who?
wasn't bernat thought pretty highly of during his time with valencia? Interesting with our LB situation being how it is don't see him mentioned much here. Haven't watched him much with bayern, but would think he would still be an upgrade over young at LB, and would come at a decent price? Shit feel like selling shaw and getting bernat would almost be the same price and allow us to really upgrade other positions?
No thanks to all of them to be honest. Thiago is always injured so is Boateng. Give me two players of say 5% less quality but who'll play 10-15 games more a season over both. Wouldn't take Vidal too the booze hound. Bayern rarely get it wrong when they sell players. Kroos was a unique situation of Pep trying to be too smart and his contract running down.
These departures would definitely release funds for a potential Bale move.
If Spurs are still outpricing us for Alderweireld - and should we still be in for a CB - you won’t find many better than Boateng.
If Spurs are still outpricing us for Alderweireld - and should we still be in for a CB - you won’t find many better than Boateng.
Option 1: Fred £45m and Savic £60+m
Option 2: Thiago £60+m and Torreira £22m
I would go for option 2.
Option 2: Thiago £60+m and Torreira £22m
I would go for option 2.
Can you think at all?