I thought that's only because Alaba is head and shoulders above him for his position? If he's planning to become a permanent winger he isn't good enough for either of Bayern or United. The last impression I had of him defensively was that while he isn't the strong type he's quite capable of nicking the ball of a attacker and marks them well too. But it's been some time since I've seen him play there over a longer stretch and I'll trust your judgement over mine.
Christian Falk: Bayern make Thiago, Bernat, Vidal and Boateng available for transfer
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Both Bayern and Juve doing the drastic overhaul to win the CL thing. Basically the only clubs almost guaranteed to win their leagues each season (Celtic have no money) are doing this.
How have you concluded that? I mean transfers in real real dont work like that. One day a player is available next day someone buys him. Every transfer is worked and discussed on.
Would take Thiago in a flash. Not sure about Boateng. We enough crocks on our team. Bernat not good enough and Vidal's not what we need anymore
Double DReally hope we go for Thiago. We need someone capable of dictating our tempo and he wants out. We should be all over him but sadly I don’t see it
If I was in charge, I'd spend whatever it takes to get Erikson here.
Erikssen isnt renewing or whats the story?
Perfect for the Jose haters when he underperforms then
According to Bayern fans here Thiago hasn't been good.
Bernat is an exciting left back though and vidal could surely bring something?
Bernat is an exciting left back though and vidal could surely bring something?
We lack players that are technically excellent, it seems like a no brainer
Thiago would certainly be the signing to release Pogba into a more attacking role but his lack of performances in the biggest games for Bayern may be a cause for concern, given similar concerns for Pogba.
Boateng would be a great signing though, a lot of winning experience and still plays at a very high level, when fit.
Boateng would be a great signing though, a lot of winning experience and still plays at a very high level, when fit.
Pretty much.
—Pogba
Matic - Fred
is going to be used against tougher opponents anyways. Only way Thiago would work is against weaker sides or as a sub when in need of a goal so I wonder if it’d even be worth a “squad option”?
Pogba - Thiago
—Matic/Fred
Maybe.
...as for Boateng, would prefer Alderweireld and Umtiti to him but if they can’t be had I wouldn’t be opposed to him nor ecstatic if we got him. He’s still effective but a shell of the player he once was. Bayern seem to be in a rebuild and are open to giving away a bunch of older starters on their team. They’ve tried and gave it a run but weren’t able to win the CL. And I’d be very careful when dealing with Bayern as they don’t really let players go unless they have a read on them and think their best is past them.
Thiago would be another Di Maria case probably.
I’d sign Juan Bernat like that! Easily better than any left back we’ve got.
Vidal worth a look in depending on the wages.
Vidal worth a look in depending on the wages.
How? He’s just as offensive as Pogba. Someone like Fred along with Matic would free up Pogba. Thiago and Pogba in a lineup would be against weaker sides to dominate them with 1 DM. That’s not really freeing up Pogba other than the formation and it being against a shittier team.
I also think you need a player like Pjanic, Kroos, Thiago, etc to get best out of Pogba, although I see many here disagree.
Boateng - too injury prone and past his peak
Vidal - more interested in partying
Bernat - Decent LB but we should be aiming higher
Thiago - only player I'd be interested in but has been piss poor according to resident Bayern fans
Basically they are getting rid of their deadwood. We should stay well clear.
Vidal - more interested in partying
Bernat - Decent LB but we should be aiming higher
Thiago - only player I'd be interested in but has been piss poor according to resident Bayern fans
Basically they are getting rid of their deadwood. We should stay well clear.
They're releasing 4 players. Do they have some players coming in? Kovač has a huge job on his task it seems. Well it's huge cause its Bayern for a start.
Bit surprised anyone would want Vidal here at this point, I'd take him for around 6 million though, anything more and it's a rip off.
It frees Pogba from the need to play as the chief playmaker in the side, therefore having to come deep to receive and distribute the ball. Thiago can take up that role and therefore Pogba would be released from that responsibility and have a more free role in offensive midfield, like he had at Juve.
What about PSG?
They're releasing 4 players. Do they have some players coming in? Kovač has a huge job on his task it seems. Well it's huge cause its Bayern for a start.
He won't last full season. You can quote me and will buy you a meal when I see you if I'm wrong.
Yea don’t think he’d fit. I mean maybe he would but why take such a gamble. Much rather sign SMS if it comes to rolling the dice even though I doubt we get either of them as it doesn’t seem like we’re strongly linked to SMS.
But for curiosity sakes,
——Pogba————-|——Pogba—SMS
Matic—Fred/SMS—|———Matic/Fred
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——Pogba————--|——Pogba—Thiago
Matic—Fred————|———Matic/Fred
Not only that but I get the feeling mentality is not all that too.
New manager so their will be changes afoot too
Why do you think so?
Looking forward to a meal.
Hopefully.
Too much pressure, first big job, no experience and isn't a big name for the board or fans to have patience. Oh, and I don't think he is a top manager also.
We'll have a meal anyway.
Pretty sure that’s a contradiction. Frees him from having to be the playmaker but opens him up offensively? Sorry but I don’t quite get what you’re trying to convey there.
And at Juvé, he was the playmaker. He was most effective there because he didn’t have to play box-to-box (as seen this past season he isn’t really capable of doing nor should be relied on). Thiago can’t play box-to-box either so it wouldn’t free Pogba up. Only thing I see is against weaker sides where we can play 1 DM but then again the problem would arise against stronger opponents. Fred can play box-to-box and will free up Pogba. I guess if we signed both of them we could pick and choose but Thiago alone doesn’t make sense.
If Thiago has been slightly underwhelming for Bayern I dread to think what they’d make of some of our player performances
But of course.Too much pressure, first big job, no experience and isn't a big name for the board or fans to have patience. Oh, and I don't think he is a top manager also.
We'll have a meal anyway.
Yeah, he's not a top manager yet, hopefully he'll become one there.
Wouldn't Bernat be a more logical addition. If we'd buy any of them.
Thiago is much more tactically aware than Pogba, even enough to have played DM on occasions. I don't think a three pf Pogba, Thiago and Matic is too attacking.
Bernat not good enough, Boateng always injured, Vidal getting old and they got Goretzka and Tolisso for his position but dont get why they selling Thiago, i thought he was great there.
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Would love to see Thiago in our squad. Central midfield lacks creativity without Pogba. He would provide that.
It’s not so much about too attacking but more so about the lack of defensive responsibility/capability.
I mean, it’s doable if you get both Fred and him but Thiago alone would be a head scratcher. Wouldn’t want to rely on him or Pogba to be box-to-box against tougher sides. Best if we just get it right and do it the right way and not try cutting corners. Just my $0.02
I’m getting the same vibes too
How is it a contradiction? Pogba right now has to come deep because United don't have playmakers in the deeper areas who can bring the ball out of defense and into attack, that therefore means he has to play deeper. Thiago plays that role naturally and therefore Pogba can play almost like a CAM, staying forward and therefore having more opportunities to get into the box and score.
To put it simply, imagine Thiago being the Alonso and Pogba being the Gerrard. Gerrard similarly struggled in a deeper role because he didn't have the mentality to play as a top tier deep playmaker (even play as a right winger because of that). Alonso taking that role exclusively, with Mascherano as the DM, freed Gerrard of his defensive and deep-playmaking duties and allowed him to bomb forward and score tons of goals in partnership with Torres. Liverpool's midfield was truly world class that season.
Don't want any of these deadwood , I only want kimmich and Alaba from them.
Well, you can start with the reports that Tuchel doesn't rate any of their fullbacks.