Christian Benteke | BBC: Liverpool Agree £32.5m Fee

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I think we all had doubts about Balotelli, but never thought he'd be that bad - f*ckin hilarious the way it turned out & now they cant get rid of the useless lazy prick :lol:

They should be better this season alright - most of the teams will be, when they get the cheque-books out that is. Just hope we get our own house sorted & not have to worry about what other teams bring in..

Indeed. Im sure we'll sort everything out this window.
 
Good signing this, knew it'd happen as there is no way he'd accept being back up here + van Gaal wouldn't spend that much on a back up.
 
Now that Liverpool have spunked their cash on forwards, I wonder if they'll be able to sell Balotelli and Lambert.
 
:lol: Exactly what I was thinking.


I'm not sure what you're smoking mate! Who would they push out of the top 4? We look much stronger and then there's Arsenal, Chelsea and City. They won't be near the top 4.
Unless City do some serious business, which they might, I think Liverpool have a chance at overtaking them.
 
It is immaterial because a 20 goal striker whose overall quality of play isn't up to a high standard will inhibit the other attackers around from performing at their optimal level when compared with a striker who might score 15, but has the ability to set up plenty of goals for the other players around him. As to where we could find a Lewandowski or Suarez type striker, there's no ironclad formula so you have to either sign a player at that level (which Benteke isn't), or sign a younger version who has the potential to develop into a similar kind of player in 2 or 3 seasons (which he isn't either).

What we need isn't someone who has the ability to score goals and add little else in terms of passing or general ability. We already have that kind of a player in Hernandez, who despite all the criticism scored 50 goals in his first three seasons at United at an average on slightly more than 16 per season, higher than Benteke has in a similar kind of timeframe, and with a lot of sub appearances to boot. He might not be as tall, but you don't have to be tall if you have the nose for goal in reductive terms. Benteke might be an upgrade over Chicharito, but not enough to justify a £30 million+ fee. Instead of signing Benteke, I'd much rather Hernandez who has shown the ability to be a threat as a substitute (which lines up perfectly as a foil for Rooney), displayed much improved hold-up ability in limited playing time for Madrid last season, scored at the rate of 0.71 goals per 90 minutes of playing time, and will give 120 % for the club as long as the manager puts his faith in him.

Meanwhile, we can allocate a portion of the money for a player who has the talent to develop into a Lewandowski or Benzema type of forward in the near future - someone like a Morata or Berardi or even Milik who might not be able to score 20 goals right now (Benteke wouldn't either at United FWIW as a backup to Rooney in a 1 striker system), but have the potential to become one of the better strikers around Europe by the time Rooney is about to hang up his boots at United.

Liverpool can have him and his inflated fee. Lots of players are projected to do better with greater quality around them, or threaten to blow up, but never do. And there's plenty of anecdotal evidence to support that given the performances of the likes of Ba or Bony in recent memory.

He might not be Darren Bent v2.0 per se, but the argument was provided just to counter the 20+ goal striker logic. And it's not like Benteke is in another dimension in terms of quality either. He's a good, physically imposing striker, who might do well at a club contending for Europa league berths. But that's about the ceiling of his ability according to me, as is Lukaku's who has a similar kind of potential and was jettisoned by Chelsea, a club that we are likely to contend with in the near future. More of a Tottenham or Southampton (or Liverpool given their record over the last 5 seasons minus the blip in 2013/ 2014) level player as it were. Not someone who can propel United in Europe against the heavyweight clubs, which is what a £30 million+ striker should ideally do for the club.
Who is the next lewandowski or Suarez really? Morata is at Juve and given the deal signed if he does become that good he'll be back in madrid. Haven't seen much of Milik and Berardi.

Other attackers have in the past flourished without their strikers being these facilitators. Del Piero and Shevchenko didn't find it difficult playing with Inzaghi. Bergkamps best seasons came with Ian wright in front of him. Totti was pretty effective behind batistuta. Bayerns attack didn't struggle with Gomez leading the line. Simples, have a second striker who can do all that other stuff and the need for a front man with a complete game is dramatically reduced.

Hernandez is no Benteke let's not fool ourselves. You can't simply compare a target man to a poacher. Although I'm a big Hernandez fan, Benteke does bring more to the table and is a bigger all round threat. Sadly Van Gaal hasn't shown any belief in Hernandez and his capabilities to contribute to the team.

Many who do threaten to blow up do blow up, only the future will tell.

Bent had an erratic career in front of goal. Had he done that more consistently then they'd have been more interest surrounding him. Sadly when he moved to Spurs he couldn't go up a level.

I'd say you're terribly wrong about this one and only time will tell. Benteke has world class potential and is more than good enough for a club with CL aspirations. If he stays clear of injury next season I expect him to tear defences apart. A 1 in 2 prem striker is a rare find these days. A 1 in 2 prem striker after a 100 games for perennial relegation contender is virtually unheard off.
 
Unless City do some serious business, which they might, I think Liverpool have a chance at overtaking them.
Pool have done nothing major to their midfield which is something they really needed to do this season.
 
Pool have done nothing major to their midfield which is something they really needed to do this season.

We have got rid of Gerrard for good. A serious game changer for us this season which will become evident in the first few months.
 
He will be a decent player for Liverpool, can't see him leading them to anything but he will outscore most of their player simply by just being there but the business side of this just makes Liverpool an even bigger joke. It makes no sense at all.
 
Of course I am serious.

Hernandez and Wilson will get nowhere near and Rooneys performances have been getting worse season after season. I'd be surprised if he gets 20 goals next year.

If benteke stays fit then he will score 20+ goals for them im certain
Rooney played a lot in midfield last season and barring Benteke's debut season in the PL, he has never scored 20+ league goals. Last season he had like 2 goals in the first 23 matches before hitting a purple match, yet you think he will outscore Rooney.
 
They have way too many strikers to be only playing one uptop.

i think they will play a diamond midfield and utilize 2 of their 1 millions strikers up front. Still think he will bang in lots of goals for them. Problem is the price. If it were 20 million or something like that we would all be saying well played liverpool. Hes a proven goalscorer which is what they lacked last year

I was talking about Wayne Rooney!
 
Liverpool, like us, have a lot of new players to bed in again. I wouldn't expect too much in the way of consistency from either. It also looks to me like they will be changing their playing style. First there was the introduction of new back room staff and then the pursuit of Benteke. Makes no sense unless they are going to play differently. Recent history shows that Liverpool like a striker who runs in behind a lot, and closes down space very quickly. Pressing from the front. I don't see either of these as evident qualities of Benteke's. What I see is a target man, who is decent with his feet and exceptional in the air. I don't see someone who is suited to a quick, short passing game. His close control just isn't that good.

Has square peg in round hole written all over it.
 
Unless City do some serious business, which they might, I think Liverpool have a chance at overtaking them.

Because Liverpool have players like Sterling Augero Ya Ya Silva Kompany Zabeleta Nasri etc etc think you are dreaming buddy or on the wind up! City as it stands are miles ahead of Liverpool and we will do well to finish above them.
 
Rooney played a lot in midfield last season and barring Benteke's debut season in the PL, he has never scored 20+ league goals. Last season he had like 2 goals in the first 23 matches before hitting a purple match, yet you think he will outscore Rooney.


Well the way I see it is regardless of how many he scored over a certain amount of matches last season Benteke has scored 42 goals in 88 games for a villa team that's always in a relegation scrap.

Liverpool are obviously better than villa and have more creative players IF benteke stays fit and he's their starting striker I'm sure he will bang in 20+ goals for them.
 
People are too concerned with the money.

Carroll was a shit signing because he was a shit player not because he cost 35m. Benteke will be a good signing. Whether he's worth 32m or not is irrelevant if he bangs in the goals next season which he probably will given he's a talented player.
 
Remember when they sold Torres and went out and bought Suarez and Carroll? This is a bit similar, only they've bought Firminho and Benteke. The thing is, I don't think either will get close to the level Suarez has reached (Firminho has the better chance, I say that not because I've seen much of him but because I've seen a lot of Benteke). They need to buy players, these are the players that are available for them to buy.
 
This was so, so predictable :lol: Decent signing for them though certainly not causing me to panic.
 
I am hopeful we've just got in the next Vieri.

is there a black equivalent I can compare him to?

Winds me up that people keep comparing him to Drogba just because he's big and black. Same as Lukaku. They aren't similar as strikers go.
 
What was the mood of the pool fans when they signed Carroll?

Uncontrollable manic laughter at the insanity of that deadline day.

Then the next morning something along the lines of 'well, I hope you're worth it son. No pressure, like".

Not sure there was really a type of player I could have compared him to.
 
They have four Top 4 players - Coutinho, Firmino, Sturridge and Milner. The rest are EL level, although some probably aren't even good enough for that. Very, very slim chance they'll make the CL spots this season.
 
Liverpool keeps buying forwards but their defense will remain crap.
As will their forward line if they keep buying shite forwards. Sturridge, Balotelli, Ings, Lambert, Borini, Origi, Benteke. So much mediocrity.
 
They have four Top 4 players - Coutinho, Firmino, Sturridge and Milner. The rest are EL level, although some probably aren't even good enough for that. Very, very slim chance they'll make the CL spots this season.

How is Firmino a top player? He's in the same boat as Lallana. A player who's done well for a midtable team in a top league.
 
How is Firmino a top player? He's in the same boat as Lallana. A player who's done well for a midtable team in a top league.

I never said he's a top player, I said he's a player who's good enough for a top 4 side. He's definitely better than Lallana.
 
Drogba made his name at Marseilles. He was already 25 when he joined them and Benteke is not even 25 yet. Did people think Drogba would be a world beater at 24 playing for Guincamp? Did you even know him then?

You don't know Drogba before he joined Chelsea? He was amazing in the champions league and that was what prompt his move to Chelsea.
 
You don't know Drogba before he joined Chelsea? He was amazing in the champions league and that was what prompt his move to Chelsea.

He didn't play CL at guingamp. I defy anyone to say they knew much about him when he played for them.
 
Well the way I see it is regardless of how many he scored over a certain amount of matches last season Benteke has scored 42 goals in 88 games for a villa team that's always in a relegation scrap.

Liverpool are obviously better than villa and have more creative players IF benteke stays fit and he's their starting striker I'm sure he will bang in 20+ goals for them.

But you cannot just say that he was good for Villa so will also be good for Liverpool. For starters they play a completely different brand of football. Benteke has great aerial strength and can finish very well, but Liverpool hardly play the aerial bombardment game. You don't know how Benteke will be able to link up with players who are more into pass and move than crossing.

I am not denying that he is a good player but to say he will outscore Rooney is laughable at best.
 
Who is the next lewandowski or Suarez really? Morata is at Juve and given the deal signed if he does become that good he'll be back in madrid. Haven't seen much of Milik and Berardi.

Other attackers have in the past flourished without their strikers being these facilitators. Del Piero and Shevchenko didn't find it difficult playing with Inzaghi. Bergkamps best seasons came with Ian wright in front of him. Totti was pretty effective behind batistuta. Bayerns attack didn't struggle with Gomez leading the line. Simples, have a second striker who can do all that other stuff and the need for a front man with a complete game is dramatically reduced.

Hernandez is no Benteke let's not fool ourselves. You can't simply compare a target man to a poacher. Although I'm a big Hernandez fan, Benteke does bring more to the table and is a bigger all round threat. Sadly Van Gaal hasn't shown any belief in Hernandez and his capabilities to contribute to the team.

Many who do threaten to blow up do blow up, only the future will tell.

Bent had an erratic career in front of goal. Had he done that more consistently then they'd have been more interest surrounding him. Sadly when he moved to Spurs he couldn't go up a level.

I'd say you're terribly wrong about this one and only time will tell. Benteke has world class potential and is more than good enough for a club with CL aspirations. If he stays clear of injury next season I expect him to tear defences apart. A 1 in 2 prem striker is a rare find these days. A 1 in 2 prem striker after a 100 games for perennial relegation contender is virtually unheard off.

Why are you even mentioning the likes of Inzaghi (fourth highest scorer in the history of European football) and Batistuta in a Benteke discussion ? Those were two of the greatest strikers of the modern era, who were several notches beyond him. Why not mention Gerd Muller too eh ? Inzaghi had the natural ability to beat the trap, supreme ppsitioning skills, the intelligence of his movement opened up spaces for the likes of Zidane and Ale to exploit, or later Kaka and Rui Costa and Shevchenko. Benteke doesn't remotely have the instinct that the likes of Batistuta and Inzaghi had. It's like saying any attacker who's seemingly uncoordinated can be compared with Thomas Muller.

Wo said Hernandez is Benteke ? The core is of the issue is - will what he bring from the sub bench so good in relation to Hernandez that we need to pay £30 million+ ? No he won't.

If ifs and buts were candies and nuts, we'd all have a merry Christmas. Benteke hasn't shown any indication of the world class potential you describe, he's way more likely to be an above average to good striker for a Top 8 team than someone who could light the Champions League up. 23 league goals in the past two seasons (barely over 11 per season so it's not like he's some magnificent goalscorer either) and about decent overall ability (far removed from anything approaching elite status) is hardly indicative of world class potential. Feel free to disagree though.
 
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