Red Dreams
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I was a bit surprised when he was linked with us. Not that he is a bad striker. He is just a different type of player to what we need.
I think we all had doubts about Balotelli, but never thought he'd be that bad - f*ckin hilarious the way it turned out & now they cant get rid of the useless lazy prick
They should be better this season alright - most of the teams will be, when they get the cheque-books out that is. Just hope we get our own house sorted & not have to worry about what other teams bring in..
He obviously has more to offer than just goals although I'm also a big fan of Hernandez.Hernandez could get you that if you only want goals.
He obviously has more to offer than just goals although I'm also a big fan of Hernandez.
I was a bit surprised when he was linked with us. Not that he is a bad striker. He is just a different type of player to what we need.
Unless City do some serious business, which they might, I think Liverpool have a chance at overtaking them.Exactly what I was thinking.
I'm not sure what you're smoking mate! Who would they push out of the top 4? We look much stronger and then there's Arsenal, Chelsea and City. They won't be near the top 4.
Who is the next lewandowski or Suarez really? Morata is at Juve and given the deal signed if he does become that good he'll be back in madrid. Haven't seen much of Milik and Berardi.It is immaterial because a 20 goal striker whose overall quality of play isn't up to a high standard will inhibit the other attackers around from performing at their optimal level when compared with a striker who might score 15, but has the ability to set up plenty of goals for the other players around him. As to where we could find a Lewandowski or Suarez type striker, there's no ironclad formula so you have to either sign a player at that level (which Benteke isn't), or sign a younger version who has the potential to develop into a similar kind of player in 2 or 3 seasons (which he isn't either).
What we need isn't someone who has the ability to score goals and add little else in terms of passing or general ability. We already have that kind of a player in Hernandez, who despite all the criticism scored 50 goals in his first three seasons at United at an average on slightly more than 16 per season, higher than Benteke has in a similar kind of timeframe, and with a lot of sub appearances to boot. He might not be as tall, but you don't have to be tall if you have the nose for goal in reductive terms. Benteke might be an upgrade over Chicharito, but not enough to justify a £30 million+ fee. Instead of signing Benteke, I'd much rather Hernandez who has shown the ability to be a threat as a substitute (which lines up perfectly as a foil for Rooney), displayed much improved hold-up ability in limited playing time for Madrid last season, scored at the rate of 0.71 goals per 90 minutes of playing time, and will give 120 % for the club as long as the manager puts his faith in him.
Meanwhile, we can allocate a portion of the money for a player who has the talent to develop into a Lewandowski or Benzema type of forward in the near future - someone like a Morata or Berardi or even Milik who might not be able to score 20 goals right now (Benteke wouldn't either at United FWIW as a backup to Rooney in a 1 striker system), but have the potential to become one of the better strikers around Europe by the time Rooney is about to hang up his boots at United.
Liverpool can have him and his inflated fee. Lots of players are projected to do better with greater quality around them, or threaten to blow up, but never do. And there's plenty of anecdotal evidence to support that given the performances of the likes of Ba or Bony in recent memory.
He might not be Darren Bent v2.0 per se, but the argument was provided just to counter the 20+ goal striker logic. And it's not like Benteke is in another dimension in terms of quality either. He's a good, physically imposing striker, who might do well at a club contending for Europa league berths. But that's about the ceiling of his ability according to me, as is Lukaku's who has a similar kind of potential and was jettisoned by Chelsea, a club that we are likely to contend with in the near future. More of a Tottenham or Southampton (or Liverpool given their record over the last 5 seasons minus the blip in 2013/ 2014) level player as it were. Not someone who can propel United in Europe against the heavyweight clubs, which is what a £30 million+ striker should ideally do for the club.
Pool have done nothing major to their midfield which is something they really needed to do this season.Unless City do some serious business, which they might, I think Liverpool have a chance at overtaking them.
Pool have done nothing major to their midfield which is something they really needed to do this season.
We have got rid of Gerrard for good. A serious game changer for us this season which will become evident in the first few months.
Why have they paid top whack for this bloke?
Benteke is a great transfer though........
For Villa
I agree. Not a fan of Benteke.
Rooney played a lot in midfield last season and barring Benteke's debut season in the PL, he has never scored 20+ league goals. Last season he had like 2 goals in the first 23 matches before hitting a purple match, yet you think he will outscore Rooney.Of course I am serious.
Hernandez and Wilson will get nowhere near and Rooneys performances have been getting worse season after season. I'd be surprised if he gets 20 goals next year.
If benteke stays fit then he will score 20+ goals for them im certain
They have way too many strikers to be only playing one uptop.
i think they will play a diamond midfield and utilize 2 of their 1 millions strikers up front. Still think he will bang in lots of goals for them. Problem is the price. If it were 20 million or something like that we would all be saying well played liverpool. Hes a proven goalscorer which is what they lacked last year
I agree. Not a fan of Benteke.
Unless City do some serious business, which they might, I think Liverpool have a chance at overtaking them.
Rooney played a lot in midfield last season and barring Benteke's debut season in the PL, he has never scored 20+ league goals. Last season he had like 2 goals in the first 23 matches before hitting a purple match, yet you think he will outscore Rooney.
Was the next Shearer/Dalglish or something like that.What was the mood of the pool fans when they signed Carroll?
What was the mood of the pool fans when they signed Carroll?
As will their forward line if they keep buying shite forwards. Sturridge, Balotelli, Ings, Lambert, Borini, Origi, Benteke. So much mediocrity.Liverpool keeps buying forwards but their defense will remain crap.
They have four Top 4 players - Coutinho, Firmino, Sturridge and Milner. The rest are EL level, although some probably aren't even good enough for that. Very, very slim chance they'll make the CL spots this season.
How is Firmino a top player? He's in the same boat as Lallana. A player who's done well for a midtable team in a top league.
Drogba made his name at Marseilles. He was already 25 when he joined them and Benteke is not even 25 yet. Did people think Drogba would be a world beater at 24 playing for Guincamp? Did you even know him then?
You don't know Drogba before he joined Chelsea? He was amazing in the champions league and that was what prompt his move to Chelsea.
Well the way I see it is regardless of how many he scored over a certain amount of matches last season Benteke has scored 42 goals in 88 games for a villa team that's always in a relegation scrap.
Liverpool are obviously better than villa and have more creative players IF benteke stays fit and he's their starting striker I'm sure he will bang in 20+ goals for them.
Who is the next lewandowski or Suarez really? Morata is at Juve and given the deal signed if he does become that good he'll be back in madrid. Haven't seen much of Milik and Berardi.
Other attackers have in the past flourished without their strikers being these facilitators. Del Piero and Shevchenko didn't find it difficult playing with Inzaghi. Bergkamps best seasons came with Ian wright in front of him. Totti was pretty effective behind batistuta. Bayerns attack didn't struggle with Gomez leading the line. Simples, have a second striker who can do all that other stuff and the need for a front man with a complete game is dramatically reduced.
Hernandez is no Benteke let's not fool ourselves. You can't simply compare a target man to a poacher. Although I'm a big Hernandez fan, Benteke does bring more to the table and is a bigger all round threat. Sadly Van Gaal hasn't shown any belief in Hernandez and his capabilities to contribute to the team.
Many who do threaten to blow up do blow up, only the future will tell.
Bent had an erratic career in front of goal. Had he done that more consistently then they'd have been more interest surrounding him. Sadly when he moved to Spurs he couldn't go up a level.
I'd say you're terribly wrong about this one and only time will tell. Benteke has world class potential and is more than good enough for a club with CL aspirations. If he stays clear of injury next season I expect him to tear defences apart. A 1 in 2 prem striker is a rare find these days. A 1 in 2 prem striker after a 100 games for perennial relegation contender is virtually unheard off.