Christian Benteke | BBC: Liverpool Agree £32.5m Fee

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They paid more for Andy Carroll who is not even half the player Benteke is so I don't see why not.

They will of learnt their lesson from that, they simply CANNOT be that stupid.

That's like, breaking a hole in the space time continuum stupid and ending up stuck in the Triassic period with nothing really stupid enough to do to open another hole to bring you back to the present.
 
Please tell me how, because im comparing the two players at the same age and stages of their careers. Drogba was 27 when he joined Chelsea. Anyway, it doesn't matter.

Drogba is a late bloomer, when Benteke is an early bloomer, they are not at the same stage.
 
Drogba is a late bloomer, when Benteke is an early bloomer, they are not at the same stage.

Well this is kinda my point. How do people know how much better Benteke can get in a few years? Its easy to say you 'can't compare them because Drogba was a late bloomer' because we have hand-sight on his situation. If Guincamp Drogba at 24 was mentioned as a possible United target back in 2003 I wonder how many people would've been keen on it.
 
The price is a bit of a distraction for what looks like a well-planned transfer. Rodgers has chased his signature all summer; he clearly has a plan for him. If nothing else, he'll offer a very good 'out ball' against teams who press high against Liverpool's passing game at the back.

Decent business.
 
Well this is kinda my point. How do people know how much better Benteke can get in a few years? Its easy to say you 'can't compare them because Drogba was a late bloomer' because we have hand-sight on his situation. If Guincamp Drogba at 24 was mentioned as a possible United target back in 2003 I wonder how many people would've been keen on it.

No one can predict that. What we can do is look at the fact that Benteke scored 23 out of 49 goals in his first season, he isn't following a progression curb, which can lead to question his real potential. But even that doesn't worth a lot because a new coaching staff, a new environment can help him improve a lot.
 
If they sign better defenders, they have a good chance of making the top 4. He is going to go 3-5-2:

Benteke--------Ings

Firmino-------Coutinho------Sturridge

Henderson-------Lucas


 
Firmino Benteke Sturridge
Coutinho Henderson
Holder
Moreno Sakho Skrtel Clyne​
 
@Invictus did you watch Drogba at Le Mans and Guincamp before you were 12 years old?

It's Guingamp, and to your question, yes I did watch him play for them. Infact, not just Drogba, but Malouda too.
 
No one can predict that. What we can do is look at the fact that Benteke scored 23 out of 49 goals in his first season, he isn't following a progression curb, which can lead to question his real potential. But even that doesn't worth a lot because a new coaching staff, a new environment can help him improve a lot.

I agree with the last part of your post. As for the question over real potential, how about the fact Benteke played for a shit team that has been fighting relegation in every season he's played for them? Can you name me even one striker in another struggling PL team in the last three seasons that has come close to Benteke's numbers? Guingamp as an example finished 7th in the French league and won qualification to Europe the season Drogba left. Benteke has played in a poorly managed team and that could as easily be used as a reason to explain why he hasn't progressed with each season since his first.
 
It's Guingamp, and to your question, yes I did watch him play for them. Infact, not just Drogba, but Malouda too.

You actively followed and watched the French league before the age of 12? Fair enough
 
How much money have Liverpool spent this summer? Does anyone have the number? A lot of money for a team that won't get top 4.

3.5 Gomez
29 Firmino
12.5 Clyne
tribunal for ings which looks like like its gonna be steep, burnley already rejected 4 and accepted 12 from spurs

if they sign benteke thats 32.5


so in all thats 81.5 if you include benteke and minimum of 4 for ings
 
Of course I am serious.

Hernandez and Wilson will get nowhere near and Rooneys performances have been getting worse season after season. I'd be surprised if he gets 20 goals next year.

If benteke stays fit then he will score 20+ goals for them im certain

Is this serious?

If he plays up top by his own I'm willing to bet he'll get at least 25 goals.
 
Is this serious?

If he plays up top by his own I'm willing to bet he'll get at least 25 goals.
They have way too many strikers to be only playing one uptop.

i think they will play a diamond midfield and utilize 2 of their 1 millions strikers up front. Still think he will bang in lots of goals for them. Problem is the price. If it were 20 million or something like that we would all be saying well played liverpool. Hes a proven goalscorer which is what they lacked last year
 
I agree with the last part of your post. As for the question over real potential, how about the fact Benteke played for a shit team that has been fighting relegation in every season he's played for them? Can you name me even one striker in another struggling PL team in the last three seasons that has come close to Benteke's numbers? Guingamp as an example finished 7th in the French league and won qualification to Europe the season Drogba left. Benteke has played in a poorly managed team and that could as easily be used as a reason to explain why he hasn't progressed with each season since his first.

Would you accept Papiss Cisse as an example?
 
If they sign better defenders, they have a good chance of making the top 4. He is going to go 3-5-2:

Benteke--------Ings

Firmino-------Coutinho------Sturridge

Henderson-------Lucas



At the expense of who though? Arsenal, Chelsea, United, and City have a comfortably better starting 11, and in the main better back up players, so unless someone has a shocker who will miss out?

Liverpool had their chance last summer and made the wrong choices, this summer they have done better but it still looks far from been enough, surely they'll be adding more to their defence still? Or are they done?
 
Say he scores 20+ league goals next season, will anyone care about this great all round game that people are chasing?
 
At the expense of who though? Arsenal, Chelsea, United, and City have a comfortably better starting 11, and in the main better back up players, so unless someone has a shocker who will miss out?

Liverpool had their chance last summer and made the wrong choices, this summer they have done better but it still looks far from been enough, surely they'll be adding more to their defence still? Or are they done?
Tell me something honestly. Two years ago they finished second. Were you able to predict that at the season or even at Christmas? Im pretty sure you wouldnt because like so many people have said anything can happen in the premier league. Who knows if they sign a couple of quality defenders and if they don't have any injury problems by luck maybe they do a chance of fighting for the top 4. I didn't say they will surely get the top 4, I said they have a good chance if they sign players.
 
Say he scores 20+ league goals next season, will anyone care about this great all round game that people are chasing?
Yes absolutely because we are after the best strikers that can score and contribute in the Play
 
Tell me something honestly. Two years ago they finished second. Were you able to predict that at the season or even at Christmas? Im pretty sure you wouldnt because like so many people have said anything can happen in the premier league. Who knows if they sign a couple of quality defenders and if they don't have any injury problems by luck maybe they do a chance of fighting for the top 4. I didn't say they will surely get the top 4, I said they have a good chance if they sign players.

Yeah I know you said that. Of course anything can happen but a lot of things aligned for them in that season, Suarez hitting his peak, Sturridge not getting injured, Gerrard having his last top season, no Europe, and United having their nightmare season, plus Chelsea having a season of transition.

Since then the only thing that has happened is them losing their best players, and last years top four spending shed loads and improving every part of their starting eleven.

Never say never of course, but a lot would have to go wrong for someone for them to slip back in to the top four next season,
 
Say he scores 20+ league goals next season, will anyone care about this great all round game that people are chasing?

The 20+ goal stat is immaterial in the grander scheme of things. Just cannot fathom why some United faithful would want to touch him, when the club is aiming to get back to our old level of 4-5 top teams in Europe, alongside clubs that have the likes of Benzema, Suarez, Lewandowski (all of them brilliant at playing an all-round game).

Darren Bent once scored 24 goals for Sunderland. Doubt a significant percentage of rational United fans would want him at United in the subsequent season. Someone like Yakubu had a comparable number of goals per season to Benteke while he was at Portsmouth and Middlesbrough, and his first season at Everton under Moyes. If there's a clamour to sign Benteke, then we probably should have signed him too irrespective of what he brought to the table in terms of overall play.

We need to prioritize someone who can either push Rooney to his extreme limits - maybe even supplant him if it comes to that, or a younger player who can take his place in the starting XI in a couple of seasons. Benteke is neither, and would have been a waste of time at the quoted fee.
 
Would you accept Papiss Cisse as an example?

Thats a good example. I think Cisse never attracted bigger teams because of the limitations to his game. Benteke is superior to him in almost every way
 
Thats a good example. I think Cisse never attracted bigger teams because of the limitations to his game. Benteke is superior to him in almost every way

He is superior but is he superior enough? I think that he is a sort of Llorente clearly a good player but not good enough to start for a big team, which makes him not worthy of 32m£.
 
If they sign better defenders, they have a good chance of making the top 4. He is going to go 3-5-2:

Benteke--------Ings

Firmino-------Coutinho------Sturridge

Henderson-------Lucas


Everyone's afraid of the almighty Hendo. :smirk: We have better players in every position.
 
If they sign better defenders, they have a good chance of making the top 4. He is going to go 3-5-2:

Benteke--------Ings

Firmino-------Coutinho------Sturridge

Henderson-------Lucas



I'm also starting to think that they actually have a decent shot at top 4, but those would be suicide tactics IMO. Imagine the space on the flanks with those guys as wingers and only three defenders at the back.
 
He is superior but is he superior enough? I think that he is a sort of Llorente clearly a good player but not good enough to start for a big team, which makes him not worthy of 32m£.

Hey, I guess we'll find out soon enough. I have a feeling he'll have a big impact at Liverpool, and I hope he doesn't tbh
 
If they sign better defenders, they have a good chance of making the top 4. He is going to go 3-5-2:

Benteke--------Ings

Firmino-------Coutinho------Sturridge

Henderson-------Lucas


Are Sturridge and Firmino picking up the oppositions wide players? I'd be happy with that.
 
Bit pricey that, sure, but if he scores 20 goals next season, nobody will care. They got a PL proven striker with a great scoring ratio for an inferior side, which in itself is a pretty good deal for them, as they don't have any better options, really. The price is high but it won't matter if he scores as much as he did for Villa. And he could do that.
 
The 20+ goal stat is immaterial in the grander scheme of things. Just cannot fathom why some United faithful would want to touch him, when the club is aiming to get back to our old level of 4-5 top teams in Europe, alongside clubs that have the likes of Benzema, Suarez, Lewandowski (all of them brilliant at playing an all-round game).

Darren Bent once scored 24 goals for Sunderland. Doubt a significant percentage of rational United fans would want him at United in the subsequent season. Someone like Yakubu had a comparable number of goals per season to Benteke while he was at Portsmouth and Middlesbrough, and his first season at Everton under Moyes. If there's a clamour to sign Benteke, then we probably should have signed him too irrespective of what he brought to the table in terms of overall play.

We need to prioritize someone who can either push Rooney to his extreme limits - maybe even supplant him if it comes to that, or a younger player who can take his place in the starting XI in a couple of seasons. Benteke is neither, and would have been a waste of time at the quoted fee.
Its not immaterial. Not many teams have a striker who can get 20 prem goals a season on anything that resembles a consistent basis. Where do we find a Suarez or Lewandowski? There aren't there so we have to settle for what we can get. We need first and foremost, a striker that gets the primary task of his job done, all this other stuff should come after.

Anyways looks like he's going to Pool. If he gets 20+ goals which he could well do especially with the better supply, I doubt they'll be many complaining about how he can't do some other things. He's threatened to blow up and could very well do.

He's not a poacher with average ball striking technique like Bent who's game is almost solely based on his speed so that's a moot point. He's a big target man, with a better all round game than what most give him credit for.
 
If they sign better defenders, they have a good chance of making the top 4. He is going to go 3-5-2:

Benteke--------Ings

Firmino-------Coutinho------Sturridge

Henderson-------Lucas



So Sturridge and Firmino as wing backs. Wow...
 
Say he scores 20+ league goals next season, will anyone care about this great all round game that people are chasing?
Sure. Dzeko is the classic example, scores goals but looks like a donkey while he's doing it and therefore takes tons of stick - not that Dzeko has hit 20+, but the concept is the same.
 
It wouldnt be hard after last season tbh Blaze..

Nothing is a given in football. Who would've thought Balotelli would flop so hard? I mean 1 goal flop haha! You just never know. I do feel they'll be much better this season
 
Nothing is a given in football. Who would've thought Balotelli would flop so hard? I mean 1 goal flop haha! You just never know. I do feel they'll be much better this season

I think we all had doubts about Balotelli, but never thought he'd be that bad - f*ckin hilarious the way it turned out & now they cant get rid of the useless lazy prick :lol:

They should be better this season alright - most of the teams will be, when they get the cheque-books out that is. Just hope we get our own house sorted & not have to worry about what other teams bring in..
 
Its not immaterial. Not many teams have a striker who can get 20 prem goals a season on anything that resembles a consistent basis. Where do we find a Suarez or Lewandowski? There aren't there so we have to settle for what we can get. We need first and foremost, a striker that gets the primary task of his job done, all this other stuff should come after.

Anyways looks like he's going to Pool. If he gets 20+ goals which he could well do especially with the better supply, I doubt they'll be many complaining about how he can't do some other things. He's threatened to blow up and could very well do.

He's not a poacher with average ball striking technique like Bent who's game is almost solely based on his speed so that's a moot point. He's a big target man, with a better all round game than what most give him credit for.

It is immaterial because a 20 goal striker whose overall quality of play isn't up to a high standard will inhibit the other attackers around from performing at their optimal level when compared with a striker who might score 15, but has the ability to set up plenty of goals for the other players around him. As to where we could find a Lewandowski or Suarez type striker, there's no ironclad formula so you have to either sign a player at that level (which Benteke isn't), or sign a younger version who has the potential to develop into a similar kind of player in 2 or 3 seasons (which he isn't either).

What we need isn't someone who has the ability to score goals and add little else in terms of passing or general ability. We already have that kind of a player in Hernandez, who despite all the criticism scored 50 goals in his first three seasons at United at an average on slightly more than 16 per season, higher than Benteke has in a similar kind of timeframe, and with a lot of sub appearances to boot. He might not be as tall, but you don't have to be tall if you have the nose for goal in reductive terms. Benteke might be an upgrade over Chicharito, but not enough to justify a £30 million+ fee. Instead of signing Benteke, I'd much rather Hernandez who has shown the ability to be a threat as a substitute (which lines up perfectly as a foil for Rooney), displayed much improved hold-up ability in limited playing time for Madrid last season, scored at the rate of 0.71 goals per 90 minutes of playing time, and will give 120 % for the club as long as the manager puts his faith in him.

Meanwhile, we can allocate a portion of the money for a player who has the talent to develop into a Lewandowski or Benzema type of forward in the near future - someone like a Morata or Berardi or even Milik who might not be able to score 20 goals right now (Benteke wouldn't either at United FWIW as a backup to Rooney in a 1 striker system), but have the potential to become one of the better strikers around Europe by the time Rooney is about to hang up his boots at United.

Liverpool can have him and his inflated fee. Lots of players are projected to do better with greater quality around them, or threaten to blow up, but never do. And there's plenty of anecdotal evidence to support that given the performances of the likes of Ba or Bony in recent memory.

He might not be Darren Bent v2.0 per se, but the argument was provided just to counter the 20+ goal striker logic. And it's not like Benteke is in another dimension in terms of quality either. He's a good, physically imposing striker, who might do well at a club contending for Europa league berths. But that's about the ceiling of his ability according to me, as is Lukaku's who has a similar kind of potential and was jettisoned by Chelsea, a club that we are likely to contend with in the near future. More of a Tottenham or Southampton (or Liverpool given their record over the last 5 seasons minus the blip in 2013/ 2014) level player as it were. Not someone who can propel United in Europe against the heavyweight clubs, which is what a £30 million+ striker should ideally do for the club.
 
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