How do you describe winners? And not every player is a leader who'l galvanise the team, saying you wouldnt take a top CM because he isnt a leader doesnt make sense to me.
And when did he turn us down? Last summer?
Sold after a season? No way.
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How do you describe winners? And not every player is a leader who'l galvanise the team, saying you wouldnt take a top CM because he isnt a leader doesnt make sense to me.
And when did he turn us down? Last summer?
Sold after a season? No way.
Were you in a cave last summer?
You believed that "I'd never have gone" bollocks he came out with after the season started? Why do you think he was quiet the entire summer when bids were being made and Moyes was publicly talking of being interested.
You believed that "I'd never have gone" bollocks he came out with after the season started? Why do you think he was quiet the entire summer when bids were being made and Moyes was publicly talking of being interested.
I don't do ding-dong back & forth 'conversations' unless they're constructive - have a nice day.
I don't wanna ruin this thread discussing Keane.. Just wanna say he was around the same time with guys like Rai, De la Pena, Boban, the names can go on... Does.. he was not the best.. sound clear enough to you now? unless at the time you only watched the Prem, you will never get my point..
Was a bit sleepy at the time of reply.. Be it technical or better passer compared to players of the same generation he was not the best...Keane had many great qualities as a player but his technical ability or passing were not to the level you believe...
Mentioning the players my focus was on the role and not their technical ability or passing.... replying to your statement that none of the teams at the level we wanna be plays with one...
The funny thing with discussions, people in agreement will always understand the point being made and those in disagreement, ah well..
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'Once again this year the most powerful teams in the Premier League long to sign Cesc Fabregas. The latest addition to the list of clubs interested in signing the midfielder is Manchester City. Their director of football Txiki Begiristain wants add the boy from Arenys to his squad. Cesc's extensive experience in the English league, where he shone, has led City to add their interest of to that of their neighbours Manchester United, who according to British media would be willing to pay 55m euros. Only last summer Barca rejected several offers from the Red Devils. Quite apart from whether Barca sporting director Andoni Zubizarreta wants to sell Cesc, both City and United have the added handicap that Arsenal hold the right of first refusal on any return of Fabregas to the Premier League'.
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It was a bit mis-leading to me as well. 'Not the best' is generally taken to mean 'not that good'. If you literally mean 'not the best', then every player bar one in the world falls into this category. Keane was a brilliant passer of the ball.
-------Not Giroud------
-Ozil---Fabregas--Theo
---Ramsey----DM------
That is the only way we could work with Ozil, Ramsey & Fabregas in the team imo, we need to strengthen other key positions first though. Not sure how I would feel about Fabregas coming back tbh.
That makes sense.....
-------Benzema------
-Santi---Ozil---Theo
---Ramsey----Fabregas------
or 4222
Benny---Theo
Santi----Ozil
Ramsey--Fabregas
-Santi---Ozil---Theo
---Ramsey----Fabregas------
or 4222
Benny---Theo
Santi----Ozil
Ramsey--Fabregas
Where would you see the future of Wilshere and Chamberlain long term if this was to happen?
Aye, there's no way you can play a middle 2 of Ramsey and Fabregas in the league. You already have too many attackers, add Fabregas to the mix and things would go tits up if players stay fit.
Really not what we need in my opinion. Unless he suddenly develops greater discipline, I don't think he'd suit a two man midfield in a 4-2-3-1.
His best time was at Arsenal in a 4-3-3 in playing in front of two others in that bridge between centre midfielder and number 10.
He was so effective due to being given the freedom of the park and little defensive responsibility. Half of his game would be lost, if he were told to play a more disciplined game.
Not quite an out-and-out centre midfielder like Schweinsteiger, Vidal or even Pogba.
Closer to Rakitic (position-wise), who also wouldn't fit here.
His best time was at Arsenal in a 4-3-3 in playing in front of two others in that bridge between centre midfielder and number 10.
He was so effective due to being given the freedom of the park and little defensive responsibility. Half of his game would be lost, if he were told to play a more disciplined game.
Not quite an out-and-out centre midfielder like Schweinsteiger, Vidal or even Pogba.
Closer to Rakitic (position-wise), who also wouldn't fit here.
Just factor them into the inevitably high number of injuries that blight arsenal each season!
His best days at Arsenal were playing in a CM 2 with Flamini.
The more I think about it the more Ozil a bit wider makes sense for them:
-----------Giroud-----
Podolski/Walcott------
---------------------Ozil
---Ramsey-Fabregas--
----------DM----------
with the fullbacks helping to provide width.
-----------Giroud-----
Podolski/Walcott------
---------------------Ozil
---Ramsey-Fabregas--
----------DM----------
with the fullbacks helping to provide width.
Flamini did a ton of work in that pair, though. We'd have to buy a mobile tackler like Vidal or Matuidi that can also pass the ball, and I'm not sure who's out there that we could realistically get that fits the bill. Fellaini has the stamina and size, but maybe not the intelligence and desire.
You'd be completely bonkers to pass up any faint chance of getting Fabregas given the state of your CM.
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Well, that indeed was some time ago!
is it me or would this feel a bit like woodward trying to prove he wasn't an idiot for going after him last summer?
Agreed. I`d offer Atletico 30 million and Chicharito and see if it gets us Koke, who I've gone mad for, and if it doesn`t, go hard after Fabregas.
We could basically play the Dortmund 4-2-3-1, with a striker, Kagawa as Kagawa, 2 wingers (Mata, Januzaj and hopefully a more direct winger like Reus, or more realistically Griezmann), Fabregas as Gundogan/Sahin and another signing in the Bender role.
---------------Rooney/RVP----
Welbeck/Januzaj-Kagawa----Mata
---------Fabregas------CM------
it isn't perfect, but with the right manager it could be very positive. The 2 most direct Spanish passers surrounded by technically skilled, reasonably mobile and hard-working players.
One of our biggest problems has been the defensive midfield role this season, need to get someone of top quality in there. If we were chasing a match then yes we could get away with Ramsey & Fabregas but not against better teams from the start.
Fabregas moved on and maybe we should as well, getting him into the team with Ramsey & Ozil might have a negative effect on their game when we should be building around them. Saying that Fabregas was a great player for us, really was top class for us and being wasted at Barca. I still think that doing well there is his dream and he will not want to let go easily.
Possibly one of the reasons I don't think this will happen actually! Wilshere imo needs to improve and needs to follow the manager rather than what the media want him to become. He will never be a box to box goal scoring midfielder like Ramsey and the quicker he realises the better. Ox can do a good job in the middle but personally right now I think out wide he could do well, I'd like to see him used on the left side and see how he does there.
Yes, if you're chasing a game vs weak opposition basically camped in their half, it can work. Anything else and you'l be destroyed through the middle.
And I dont buy the barca dream bit anymore. Yes, he wanted to succeed at his boyhood club but I feel he's realized he'l never be one of the central figures there. He'd have moved last summer if we could have had a bid accepted and he'l move again in the summer if Barca are willing to sell. He doesnt fit the system and there are better more suited CMs at Barca ahead of him. Even when Xavi retires, he has no hope of replacing him as they're fundamentally different players, he cannot play that role.
Might be the case but then Barca need to really get someone in urgently who suits their system or they might need to change it. When great players move on or dip then you need to sometimes change as well. Xavi's decline has coincided with Barca's and I think they'd be better served by changing things rather than persisting with the same system.
The fans don't like him though, they've had it in for him since he came back and unless he was putting in unreal performances they weren't gonna let go easily. Remember reading about one of their fans on TV moaning about him and how he left, while wearing a Pique shirt!
They're not going to replace Xavi like for like, you simply cant get Xavi's but then they can surely get a CM more suited to the role. Someone like Kroos would be a much better bet to replace him than Fabregas and Barca being Barca get most of the players they target.
without stating the obvious, if there's even a chance of getting him this needs to be the priority this summer.
I cannot take too many more games of Carrick and Fletcher together. Or in fact any other combo of Fellaini and Cleverley
I cannot take too many more games of Carrick and Fletcher together. Or in fact any other combo of Fellaini and Cleverley
Ah, fair enough.
The 07-08 season when Adebayor scored 20-odd, I remeber Fabregas playing a good chunk of those close to him, with Diaby and Flamini behind.
And then 08-09 (not as good for him as 07-08, but still good) Denilson and Diaby played quite a few games.
Obviously, you'll know better than me though.
I definitely wouldn't mind us signing him this summer. After all he's an actual midfielder who can turn and run with the ball, create decent space, and pass forward without needing five touches. He'd link up brilliantly with Mata in particular.
I still don't think he's quite what we need for a 4-2-3-1. But beggars can't be choosers.
Oh and this is what he said about us earlier this year:
/muppet
We started negotiating already?
Wov
party time!
Wov
party time!
Really? Palmeri? Are we that desperate for rumours?
Fabregas, Vidal, Kroos, Carvalho, Shaw and Robben is what we have heard recently, makes for a good few months!
/muppet
What does the tweet posted by @MoneyMay say? I'm behind filters at work
Manchester United have started negotiations with Cesc Fabregas. He's Louis van Gaal's 1st priority. Player keen to move. (@tancredipalmeri)What does the tweet posted by @MoneyMay say? I'm behind filters at work
I know I shouldn't let myself believe it but I want to believe it, I want to believe that United will buy Fabregas this summer and I hope to God we do.
Thanks.
As for the transfer itself, not sure if it will happen.
As for the transfer itself, not sure if it will happen.
I'm torn. I don't want to let myself get caught in that muppet insanity cycle again after last summer with Strootman, Thiago, Cesc, and Herrera. But with the crazy Dutchman at the helm? Please #makeusdream Louis
Would love it, please let it happen
Not going to get drawn into this. I remember very clearly what happened last summer.
Most of the Barca fans want him to leave then, but can you see the club selling him?
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