Fabregas plus Kroos would be my two midfield summer signings. Bid 45 million pounds for both. Come in strong and aggressive with the bids.
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Don't do that.
Fabregas over Vidal? No offence dude, but lay off the meth!
Fabregas had his chance & he showed himself up for the twat that he is. He only used us as a bargaining chip to get a love-in from Barca & their fans. The fans hate him now because they know thats what he did last summer. The fans arent thick - they seen it all before with many players. Luis Figo being the notorious example, where he whored himself to Real to get a better deal etc from Barca, but before he knew it - Barca were so fecked off at him & they agreed to sell him to get rid of a poisoned apple & so he went against his wishes!
Boat has sailed Minger. He's an attention-seeking twat & only used us as profile-enhancement last summer. Dont waste your energy bro...
He's been an absolute flop and misfit for Barca and one has to wonder how much of the PL Cesc is left in him.
Barca have tried to force upon him a style of play he isn't comfortable with for whatever reason, but he's been at it for three years now and that's an awfully long time in football - I'm not saying he has lost the it he had when he was tearing up the PL, rather, how much of it is even still there?
The displacement of his dream move may have really changed the path of his whole career. He hasn't once played like the £50m-odd rated player he would've been in 2011 on an open market and as the price an interested party would have to pay to acquire his services increases, it becomes a question of will he prove worthy of such a fee when his last glories as player are four seasons ago...
The player he once was would be a stellar addition to any midfield in the PL. The player we've seen ambling aimlessly as a misfit at Barcelona has to have justified question marks placed over him, imo. His value should drop considerably off the back of the last two seasons he's had and where he could have commanded £40m plus a season ago, he should be a £30m - £35m bracketed player by now unless he has a WC that reminds everyone what he's capable of in the here and now over a player living off past glories that require you to cast your mind back seasons to recall.
Barca have tried to force upon him a style of play he isn't comfortable with for whatever reason, but he's been at it for three years now and that's an awfully long time in football - I'm not saying he has lost the it he had when he was tearing up the PL, rather, how much of it is even still there?
The displacement of his dream move may have really changed the path of his whole career. He hasn't once played like the £50m-odd rated player he would've been in 2011 on an open market and as the price an interested party would have to pay to acquire his services increases, it becomes a question of will he prove worthy of such a fee when his last glories as player are four seasons ago...
The player he once was would be a stellar addition to any midfield in the PL. The player we've seen ambling aimlessly as a misfit at Barcelona has to have justified question marks placed over him, imo. His value should drop considerably off the back of the last two seasons he's had and where he could have commanded £40m plus a season ago, he should be a £30m - £35m bracketed player by now unless he has a WC that reminds everyone what he's capable of in the here and now over a player living off past glories that require you to cast your mind back seasons to recall.
I'm not sure we should want him here after the run around he and his agents gave Moyes and Woodward
His real problem is he just isn't suited to Barca football any more. Arsenal truly ''Englishized' him. He is too direct for that football
There are not many, if any players who wouldn't do such a thing if it benefits them
I'd rather get kroos to be honest... Seems a better fit for us IMO
I never brought up Vidal because I don't think he's a realistic target at all. Fabregas and Kroos are more likely to leave than Vidal and getting either of the three would be very difficult.
I wouldn't like United to be messed about a second summer on this one. If they're intent on trying again, then try once and walk away. I'm sure they have other obtainable targets.
Was that before Barca offered him a pay rise?
I'm sure we have enough lawyers to send a few over and see if he's serious.
Perhaps the tres amigos from Bilbao are available.
I'm interested in my girlfriends best mate who moved abroad a few years back. That's not going to go anywhere either.
Jokes, it could go somewhere I'm just not letting it
Jokes, it could go somewhere I'm just not letting it
If it were a choice between Fabregas and Kroos, I'd take Fabregas for four reasons.
1. He's a better footballer
2. He's the closest thing to Scholes the Premier League has ever seen
3. He's a natural central midfielder, turned into a number 10 / false 9 by Barcelona because he doesn't have the right skill-set or discipline to do what Xavi does as a regista. Whereas Kroos is a number 10, turned into a regista. He's still excellent there, but I'd prefer someone who has proven he can cut it as a midfielder in the Premier League at the very highest level.
4. He used to play for Arsenal
1. He's a better footballer
2. He's the closest thing to Scholes the Premier League has ever seen
3. He's a natural central midfielder, turned into a number 10 / false 9 by Barcelona because he doesn't have the right skill-set or discipline to do what Xavi does as a regista. Whereas Kroos is a number 10, turned into a regista. He's still excellent there, but I'd prefer someone who has proven he can cut it as a midfielder in the Premier League at the very highest level.
4. He used to play for Arsenal
Two or three times, in fact. But when the muppets are in heat, no sounds like yes to them.
very true£45 million for both? Is that you Woodward? Fabregas is not worth £45 million and neither is Kroos who has one year left one his contract!
We had someone describing £60m as a "bargain" for Vidal on another thread...
Keep the faith, bro. Who knows, maybe he'll move back someday.
I haven't seen too much of Kroos, especially compared to Cesc, but he surely does a few things better than Cesc?
Everything I say here is based on limited viewing but he looks like a bigger threat from outside the box, he doesn't look like he has the same problem turning away from defenders that Cesc does (who is easily dispossessed because of how slow he can turn), and he looks like he has much better close control (again, another problem Cesc has is that he is prone to too many sloppy touches, but maybe he stands out because he's playing alongside Busquets, Xavi, Iniesta and Messi). I think it's fair to say Cesc has a better final ball than him, and I agree his final ball is better than most in Europe, but I think the Premier League made his close control look a lot better than it actually is...since he's moved to Barcelona he hasn't coped well playing against teams who give him barely any room to work in, and their attacks usually end when they go to him.
Edit: Oh and I'm sure he's got much more discipline than Cesc too, who doesn't seem to know when to hold back or when to keep the ball - everything is run forward, abandon midfield, through ball. There's no ability to pause, which I find to be an underrated quality for a midfielder.
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I can only assume he meant a joint deal of 45m for both players. 90m is way to much for them, but 45m for both is a bit on the low side
The transfer market is inflated. There are tons of of players who are not worth the fees that are quoted but you have to either pay it or not get them. We are interested in Shaw and you could make the argument that he's not worth 30 million pounds but if that's what it takes to pry him from Southampton, you have to make that decision of whether to invest or not. A player of Fabregas quality is not going for anything less than a strong offer. Kroos may have one year left on his contract but we are talking about a truly world class talent. It very well may take a substantial offer to pry him away from Allianz.
Cesc is worth around the 30m GBP mark which is what we were bidding last time. He's gone backwards since moving back to barca in many respects. Kroo's granted is worth whatever it takes for me he's a one in a generation player at what he does.
Cesc is worth about £35/40m in my eyes, the same region as Mata. Mata went for £37m. Fabregas is a marginally more prestigious player, only 1 years older and in a more vital position. I certainly wouldn't be worried if we got him for £35-40m.
According to the twitter thread we've not contacted him anyway.
Yes but let's not get carried away and taken to the cleaners like we did with Fellaini, Fabregas hasn't had a great season and he's worth around £30 - 35m because he's a great talent, £45m I'd say no thank you and leave it as that. We'd pay £40m tops for Kroos who if he's that interested in moving to United, we could get for free in a years time. Just because we have an estimated £200m to spend doesn't mean we have to spend it unnecessarily and pay over the odds.
Let's not forget that Kroos and Fabregas aren't very mobile, which is what our midfield is desperately in need of. Yes they'd improve the team because they are world class but with a midfield of Fabregas - Kroos and add Carrick into that, we'd just get out run by teams like City, Chelsea and Liverpool who all have legs in CM.
I think he meant altogether.
Perhaps Fabregas needs to move back to the premier league like Torres should go back to la liga,the respective leagues dont suit these players.
Didnt Wenger say last season Fabregas would not be leaving but was a bit ambiguous to the fact he may move this season ?
Didnt Wenger say last season Fabregas would not be leaving but was a bit ambiguous to the fact he may move this season ?
Torres tore the EPL apart for a couple of seasons, when he was arguably one of the best forwards in Europe. So it's definitely not the league. He's just gone remarkably shit since that knee injury iirc.
But yea, a change of league might be his last resort to try and kick start his career. Fabregas just doesn't suit that Barca tiki taka style. He's a bit too direct for them.
Fabregas will be at Barca next season. He doesn't want to play for United. Never has never will.
In the case that Fabregas did want to play for us, then United should bid 50 million and then give Barca 30 minutes to accept. If nothing happened after 30 minutes, then we would move on never to revisit this shite again. I hope Woodward has learned his lesson and will not pursue this guy again. Hopefully it is just paper talk BS.
In the case that Fabregas did want to play for us, then United should bid 50 million and then give Barca 30 minutes to accept. If nothing happened after 30 minutes, then we would move on never to revisit this shite again. I hope Woodward has learned his lesson and will not pursue this guy again. Hopefully it is just paper talk BS.
More chance of shagging the pope imo.
Last summer Wenger said according to his info, Fabregas would stay one more season and try his odds.
Cesc and Mata are not in the same league. You have definitely overpaid for Mata somewhat. But for the sake of argument, if Mata was really worth 37m pounds, then that would make Cesc easily worth 50.
True. Mata so far has been down the pecking order when it comes to Spanish midfielders even though he is a very good player. I would consider fabregas to be better in the build up and a better dictator of play as well as having a great end product although not better than mata in that regard.
We did arguably overpay a little for Mata, due to him being from a direct domestic rival, having(as far as I know) years left on his contract, him being Chelsea's POTY twice in a row, him being 1 year younger, and it being January. I think it's harsh to say they're "not in the same league", when really they're not a million miles off. Fabregas is better overall, but as an AM/SS they're of a very similar standard. As a CM it's obviously no contest, but that's not Mata's role. Would Barca fans complain about 45m Euro for Fabregas? I doubt it, personally.
Don't agree with that at all. In Mata's two seasons for Chelsea he's been far better than Cesc has been for Barcelona, and he's younger. He was arguably the best player in the league last season, and probably second only to RVP in comfortably the best season on his career the year before.
If anything Mata's underrated on this forum, people seem to think that because Mourinho didn't want him he's not the top player he proved himself to be in the last couple of seasons. We only overpaid for him in the sense that we probably could have spent the money elsewhere and it would have improved the team more.
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