Chelsea reach agreement to sign Cesc Fábregas

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PSingh said:
I hope so, but the fact it's a World Cup year and him managing the Netherlands is a tad worrying on our part.
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But he knows that a lot is expected of him. I actually believe that the common names being banded about in here will not be on his list. I can see Shaw being on his list and possibly already sorted in principle.

I have my true muppet heart sneakily in the Vidal camp, however, I can see him bringing in some talented youngsters that we have hardly seen much of, more so, than the big names.

In LVG I trust, for now.
 
There's no reason Arsenal wouldn't want Fabregas. Even if we'd signed Bale last summer and this summer Ronaldo wanted out, you think we wouldn't fancy our chances?
 
BarneyLFC said:
That last paragraph is another load of bollocks.
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Really, hmmm. Odd that you, a Liverpool fan, are the only one to think so. Let's establish some comparable key players. Suarez=Rooney. Sturridge=RVP. Sterling=Januzaj. Coutinho=Mata. Henderson=Carrick.

In terms of the point I was making, about names that are likely to have a pull for Fabregas, Suarez is pretty much all you've got. Whereas Rooney, RVP and Mata will all be well known to him and respected. Especially as one is a former teammate and the other a national teammate.

I never argued that your season hasn't been much better than ours, because it obviously has. But to Fabregas, the story is: League winners United hire shit manager, have shit season, aren't in the CL this year. They've hired a top European manager who he will know a lot about, and are reportedly preparing to spend on some serious top class reinforcements. Liverpool came second after a good season. Their manager is supposedly getting them to play some good stuff, but Fabregas doesn't know much about him and probably the most likely Liverpool-related news to have made an impact will have been their end of season collapse.

And the point about money is unquestionable. Arsenal, United and City will all be able to offer comfortably more than Liverpool.

Where's the bollocks?
 
Raul Madrid said:
It would be hard for him to focus on both the national team and united and their transfers at the same time.
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It's hard for a man involved in football and managing a team at the biggest competition in world football, with all the top players in the world on show, to think of players who might do well for United and ask the man who signs those players to try and sign them?

Seriously, what do people think managers not managing at the world cup are doing while the world cup is on, that a manager managing at the world cup can't do?
 
BarneyLFC said:
That's bullshit. I don't think we're interested, but we certainly can afford him.
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Transfer fee? Maybe, but its probably going to eat a lot if not all out of your remaining budget assuming Lambert, Lallana, and Moreno sign.

Wages? Clubs will offer astronomically high wages to him, I can't see you being able to match that.
 
Any book (assuming he's off) looks like :

1/5 Arsenal
6/1 City
100/1 Liverpool
100/1 Man Utd
200/1 Chelsea
 
The first laughable part is the "caution to the wind and got away with it for a few games." Who were the two managers savvy enough to stop it? Mourinho and who else? I really hope you aren't calling the 3-3 a masterclass by Pulis. Those players got us to second. I'm sorry do they not scream top team? I'm sure Evra, Smalling, Jones, Welbeck and Carrick do. We have more than enough financial clout to bring him in. He's not on giant wages at Barcelona. Gerrard, Suarez, Johnson, Reina, Agger and Skrtel are all at around £100k per week or more.

NinjaFletch said:
Transfer fee? Maybe, but its probably going to eat a lot if not all out of your remaining budget assuming Lambert, Lallana, and Moreno sign.

Wages? Clubs will offer astronomically high wages to him, I can't see you being able to match that.
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I doubt we'd sign Lallana of we went for Fabregas. We won't go for him though so it doesn't matter.
 
alastair said:
There are so many United fans who just don't want to accept last year happened. It's almost pointless trying to get through to them.

If you sign Fabregas, it'll be because you offered him astronomical wages and Woodwood is a master of persuasion. Why? Because he'll have much better current offers elsewhere.
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These much better offers you are talking about, include what exactly? Champions League football is the only I can think of and I can't imagine we'll miss out next year, as Van Gaal as our manager and most likely a few decent signings. We have the money and we can offer him big wages, can't see why we would not be able to compete for his signing?
 
The Neviller said:
It's hard for a man involved in football and managing a team at the biggest competition in world football, with all the top players in the world on show, to think of players who might do well for United and ask the man who signs those players to try and sign them?

Seriously, what do people think managers not managing at the world cup are doing while the world cup is on, that a manager managing at the world cup can't do?
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True, but his priorities right now have to be Holland. The managers of the other clubs like mourinho im sure will either be at the wc or have people their watching for them. I definitely think that the managers that are not coaching a national team have an advantage as their full focus is on their club. They should be able to do things faster and also will be able to view more matches as I am sure van gaal will be paying most attention to his opponents. Its not a terrible situation for united or any way close, but I definitely think it is an advantage for the other clubs managers.
 
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BarneyLFC said:
The first laughable part is the "caution to the wind and got away with it for a few games." Who were the two managers savvy enough to stop it? Mourinho and who else? I really hope you aren't calling the 3-3 a masterclass by Pulis. Those players got us to second. I'm sorry do they not scream top team? I'm sure Evra, Smalling, Jones, Welbeck and Carrick do. We have more than enough financial clout to bring him in. He's not on giant wages at Barcelona. Gerrard, Suarez, Johnson, Reina, Agger and Skrtel are all at around £100k per week or more.



I doubt we'd sign Lallana of we went for Fabregas. We won't go for him though so it doesn't matter.
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They certainly scream "We've got league title winning medals, do you?"

I don't think anyone needs that question answered.
 
alastair said:
There are so many United fans who just don't want to accept last year happened. It's almost pointless trying to get through to them.

If you sign Fabregas, it'll be because you offered him astronomical wages and Woodwood is a master of persuasion. Why? Because he'll have much better current offers elsewhere.
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Last year was horrific for us, yet ye failed to beat us in our worst season. Sums it all up doesn't it?
 
The Neviller said:
What's worrying about it?
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I just think this transfer window is crucial and we need to get it right. So I would rather have the manager fully focused on us.

Fergie's Man said:
But he knows that a lot is expected of him. I actually believe that the common names being banded about in here will not be on his list. I can see Shaw being on his list and possibly already sorted in principle.

I have my true muppet heart sneakily in the Vidal camp, however, I can see him bringing in some talented youngsters that we have hardly seen much of, more so, than the big names.

In LVG I trust, for now.
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Yeah, I just thinks it's more to do with the way the last transfer window went I just want the deals to be done smoothly no matter who we sign.

Vidal would be a very good signing for us, but I don't see it happening. There seems to be some smoke to the fabregas thing, I think he would be a good signing.
 
Raul Madrid said:
True, but his priorities right now have to be Holland. The managers of the other clubs like mourinho im sure will either be at the wc or have people their watching for them. I definitely think that the managers that are not coaching a national team have an advantage as their full focus is on their club. They should be able to do things faster and also will be able to view more matches as I am sure van gaal will only be paying attention to his opponents. Its not a terrible situation for united or any way close, but I definitely think it is an advantage for the other clubs managers.
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You reckon Van Gaal needs to be watching players constantly to know who they are or what they're like, or if they'd fit his setup at United?

And does he do it all alone? Mourinho has people watching but Van Gaal won't, because he's focused on the World Cup? Has he no coaching team? Or scouting team? He could have scouts at every match in the world cup watching players. He's only ever an email or phonecall away if they happen upon some player that they've never heard of before who shows his worth. I'm sure he has a Blackberry.
 
PSingh said:
I just think this transfer window is crucial and we need to get it right. So I would rather have the manager fully focused on us.
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This is the thing I don't get, is van Gaal entirely incapable of thinking about two things at one time?

"Well Mr van Gaal, how is the World Cup going for you?"

"Hmmm, should I have waffles or eggs for breakfast?"
 
El-Manos said:
A world-class central midfielder available and we're not interested? Makes sense. I mean it's not like we need another midfielder or anything.
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It doesn't matter how good of a player you're, if you don't fit into van Gaal's system then he won't be interested. He's obviously got players in mind that he thinks will slot into his way of doing things pretty quickly.
 
The Neviller said:
You reckon Van Gaal needs to be watching players constantly to know who they are or what they're like, or if they'd fit his setup at United?

And does he do it all alone? Mourinho has people watching but Van Gaal won't, because he's focused on the World Cup? Has he no coaching team? Or scouting team? He could have scouts at every match in the world cup watching players. He's only ever an email or phonecall away if they happen upon some player that they've never heard of before who shows his worth. I'm sure he has a Blackberry.
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If you don't see how a managers whose full focus is on their club is an advantage over a manager whose focus is on their national team first and then their future club then I don't know what to say. You need to calm down btw, all you ever seem to be doing on this is aggressively correcting people. Like I said its not a terrible situation for united at all, its just not as convenient as it is for the other clubs imo.
 
The Neviller said:
This is the thing I don't get, is van Gaal entirely incapable of thinking about two things at one time?

"Well Mr van Gaal, how is the World Cup going for you?"

"Hmmm, should I have waffles or eggs for breakfast?"
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It's also usually not the managers who do the negotiations for players.
 
Raul Madrid said:
If you don't see how a managers whose full focus is on their club is an advantage over a manager whose focus is on their national team first and then their future club then I don't know what to say. You need to calm down btw, all you ever seem to be doing on this is aggressively correcting people. Like I said its not a terrible situation for united at all, its just not as convenient as it is for the other clubs imo.
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Because people are talking absolute irrational bollocks, that's why. It's stupid to think van Gaal can't think about United whilst also managing Holland. He's not at a disadvantage at all, he's in the same place as all the top managers will be this summer, at the World Cup in Brazil.
 
BarneyLFC said:
I'd guess £60m net, but I have no idea tbh.

Andy Heaton from the Anfield Wrap has said Ayre is in Spain to wrap up a deal for Moreno and one other. He's not one to usually spread rumours unless there is something concrete. I doubt it's for Fabregas though.
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Assuming that is your budget, then I highly doubt you would spend half your budget on Fabregas especially when you're bidding as much as you are for Lallana.
 
BarneyLFC said:
It's also usually not the managers who do the negotiations for players.
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Yeah, I made that point earlier. It's ridiculous to think van Gaal can't earmark a player and let the people who sort the deals out know who he wants because he's at the World Cup.
 
alastair said:
I don't think Cesc is a guy who worries massively about getting a game every week. He's far more likely to worry about playing 4-4-2 with Darren Fletcher.

But seriously - he's got everything there for him at Arsenal. Great players, great city, great manager who he loves.
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You're right. I'm sure Fabregas is extremely excited to be playing through balls to a top striker like Yaya Sanogo.
 
The Neviller said:
Because people are talking absolute irrational bollocks, that's why. It's stupid to think van Gaal can't think about United whilst also managing Holland. He's not at a disadvantage at all, he's in the same place as all the top managers will be this summer, at the World Cup in Brazil.
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I never said he cant think about united while managing Holland. Of course he can.
 
Raul Madrid said:
I never said he cant think about united while managing Holland. Of course he can.
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Yeah, but if you remember, I wasn't replying to you. I replied to someone else and you interjected.

Also, I'm making a general point. It's daft to think he can't concentrate on United because hjs whole docus is on Holland. That's been suggested a number of times this summer already.
 
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