Charlie Adam | Set for talks with Liverpool

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Brwned said:
People aren't allowed to judge him as a player (overall, rather than specifically a Liverpool player) from what he's shown for England and for Sunderland?
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I read the Henderson thread from the start of this year when United were linked with the lad. I think it's fair to say that most people on here were underwhelmed at the news. But this is a player, who at that time, had only played 50 odd games for his club. How many of those games had those same people watched to have come to the conclusion that he wasn't good enough for United ?. Maybe their opinions were primarily based on his one full England appearance a month or so earlier, rather than the good form he'd showed for Sunderland in helping them get to 6th place in The Premiership back in January.

TBF, it's not only United fans who are questioning the lad's credentials. A lot of Liverpool supporters on the LFC forums are also wondering what he can bring to the club. Based again, I imagine, on his poor run of form over the 2nd part of the season, which culminated in something of a no-show at the U21's in Denmark. But let's face it, he wasn't the only English midfield hopeful not to show his true promise in the competition. However, I suspect his transfer to Liverpool has accentuated people's negative opinions of him, regardless of the fact that he'd only played a total of 71 games for his local side. & regardless of the fact that he'll be playing under a better manager, & with much better players around him, who'll play much more on the front foot, which, hopefully, will bring out the best of Jordan Henderson.
 
Transfer news: Liverpool will bid £10m for Blackpool's Charlie Adam this weekend - News - MirrorFootball.co.uk
Liverpool will hold talks with Blackpool this weekend in a bid to finally sign Charlie Adam.

The Anfield club are said to be tabling a £10m offer for the 25-year-old midfielder, aimed a seeing off interest from Aston Villa.

Manchester United could also enter the market for Adam, who is a fan of the Old Trafford club.

But Liverpool are now firm favourites to land the man they bid £8m for in January, with Blackpool chairman Karl Oyston expected to meet Anfield director of football Damien Comolli tomorrow, according to the Blackpool Gazette.
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What an insanely overrated player. When Keith Andrews and Glenn Whelan shit all over you, you know it's not a good sign.
 
I'm again surprised by the criticism Adam is getting on here.

Was excellent last year in a very poor team, arguably (in terms of the standard of players) one of the worst to play in the PL. Despite this he had a good goal/assist return and won a few games virtually on his own, and stepped up against sides who were vastly superior man for man in terms of fitness and ability.

Maybe his fitness can be criticised, but its clear from comments by other players (Matt Gilks - the goalkeeper specifically) that everything was done on the cheap in terms of backroom preperation.

When we're talking about players like Modric and Sneijder being worth in excess of £40 million, and young players likes Jones being worth £20 million due to clear potential (as well as earning many millions a year in wages) I'd say that £8 - 10 million for a player with Adam's clear footballing talent would be a fair risk.

He could improve vastly in a better side with better coaching and surrounded by better players, as well as increasing his fitness.

He may never be a really top player but in terms of having a player who may not play every week but has the ability to come on and have a positive effect on a game, or take hold of a game against lower quality opposition I can see why plenty of clubs are interested in him.

I maintain that if he played for a more glamourous club, or was Brazilian rather that Scottish some fans would be much more willing to take a punt.
 
RedRover said:
I'm again surprised by the criticism Adam is getting on here.

Was excellent last year in a very poor team, arguably (in terms of the standard of players) one of the worst to play in the PL. Despite this he had a good goal/assist return and won a few games virtually on his own, and stepped up against sides who were vastly superior man for man in terms of fitness and ability.

Maybe his fitness can be criticised, but its clear from comments by other players (Matt Gilks - the goalkeeper specifically) that everything was done on the cheap in terms of backroom preperation.

When we're talking about players like Modric and Sneijder being worth in excess of £40 million, and young players likes Jones being worth £20 million due to clear potential (as well as earning many millions a year in wages) I'd say that £8 - 10 million for a player with Adam's clear footballing talent would be a fair risk.

He could improve vastly in a better side with better coaching and surrounded by better players, as well as increasing his fitness.

He may never be a really top player but in terms of having a player who may not play every week but has the ability to comoe on and effect a game, or take hold of a game against lower quality opposition I can see why plenty of clubs are interested in him.
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I agree. I actually wouldn't mind if we signed him.
 
RedRover said:
I'm again surprised by the criticism Adam is getting on here.

Was excellent last year in a very poor team, arguably (in terms of the standard of players) one of the worst to play in the PL. Despite this he had a good goal/assist return and won a few games virtually on his own, and stepped up against sides who were vastly superior man for man in terms of fitness and ability.

Maybe his fitness can be criticised, but its clear from comments by other players (Matt Gilks - the goalkeeper specifically) that everything was done on the cheap in terms of backroom preperation.

When we're talking about players like Modric and Sneijder being worth in excess of £40 million, and young players likes Jones being worth £20 million due to clear potential (as well as earning many millions a year in wages) I'd say that £8 - 10 million for a player with Adam's clear footballing talent would be a fair risk.

He could improve vastly in a better side with better coaching and surrounded by better players, as well as increasing his fitness.

He may never be a really top player but in terms of having a player who may not play every week but has the ability to come on and have a positive effect on a game, or take hold of a game against lower quality opposition I can see why plenty of clubs are interested in him.

I maintain that if he played for a more glamourous club, or was Brazilian rather that Scottish some fans would be much more willing to take a punt.
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Rory 7 said:
I agree. I actually wouldn't mind if we signed him.
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How many times did you watch him play a full 90 minutes?
 
RedRover said:
He may never be a really top player but in terms of having a player who may not play every week but has the ability to come on and have a positive effect on a game, or take hold of a game against lower quality opposition I can see why plenty of clubs are interested in him.
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We're looking for a replacement for Scholes, not a squad player who will come on as a sub every so often or take hold of a game against lower quality opposition... That's probably why people are critical of him, because of him being linked to us in that capacity but not really being able to fill it.
 
R_Nick said:
How many times did you watch him play a full 90 minutes?
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Actually, being an avid viewer of pretty much any football on the TV I watched a lot of Blackpool games last year because they were a breath of fresh air. Also watched them a fair few times the season before in the Championship.

Seems that argument is trotted out time and again by the way - I personally think I've watched enough of him to form an opinion, and have been impressed by what I've seen after I thought that along with the rest of the Blackpool side the PL would be a significant step too far.
 
Zarlak said:
We're looking for a replacement for Scholes, not a squad player who will come on as a sub every so often or take hold of a game against lower quality opposition... That's probably why people are critical of him, because of him being linked to us in that capacity but not really being able to fill it.
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Really - only a replacement for Scholes?

Given that Hargreaves has gone, Giggsy is a year older and Gibson will be sold I'd say the club could benefit from a couple of players in the area to increase competition for places. Its a squad game - as the signings of Young and Jones in areas where United are strongest have shown.

I think there is no doubt Fergie will spend big (if he can attract the right player) on a central player, but it doesnt mean there's no room for any one else.

I personally wouldnt mind if Fergie took a punt on him - given how United seem to be able to get that extra 20% out of a player and the fact that he is relatively young at 25 I'd be intruiged to see what Fergie could do with him. Especially given that £10 million these days usually doesnt buy a lot.

Of course Fergie may not think he's got the neccessary qualities to make the step up and fair enough. He's obviously a better judge than I am.
 
He was only the most polished turd in the pile of shit that was Blackpool. He's fat, gap-toothed, slow and belongs nowhere near a side with title or European ambitions - which is why he's signing for Liverpool.
 
Don't understand Liverpool's position. I keep reading that they're selling Merieles (spelling?) to Juve for ten million quid.... To replace him with Adam? Same price?

Merieles shits all over Adam in every regard.
 
RedRover said:
Really - only a replacement for Scholes?

Given that Hargreaves has gone, Giggsy is a year older and Gibson will be sold I'd say the club could benefit from a couple of players in the area to increase competition for places. Its a squad game - as the signings of Young and Jones in areas where United are strongest have shown.
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Considering that Hargreaves hasn't needed replacing as he hasn't played and Giggsy isn't a central midfielder they don't really count, it's Gibson leaving that possibly presents the issue that opens up a slot for Adam, but with our priority being to replace Scholes, that would leave us with Carrick/Fletcher/Cleverley/Jones/whoever we sign to replace Scholes. Cleverley will progress into the cup games that Gibson was playing. That gives us 4 CMs plus a DC who also plays CM so 5 in total and I don't see too much of a problem with that needing us to sign an extra player.
 
davisjw said:
Don't understand Liverpool's position. I keep reading that they're selling Merieles (spelling?) to Juve for ten million quid.... To replace him with Adam? Same price?

Merieles shits all over Adam in every regard.
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Can't be true.

Alsonso/Barry mkII
 
Still think a lot of people here are massively overplaying Jones' ability to play CM, I wouldn't be counting him among our CMs personally.
 
davisjw said:
Don't understand Liverpool's position. I keep reading that they're selling Merieles (spelling?) to Juve for ten million quid.... To replace him with Adam? Same price?

Merieles shits all over Adam in every regard.
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Merieles wants out.
 
Zarlak said:
Considering that Hargreaves hasn't needed replacing as he hasn't played and Giggsy isn't a central midfielder they don't really count, it's Gibson leaving that possibly presents the issue that opens up a slot for Adam, but with our priority being to replace Scholes, that would leave us with Carrick/Fletcher/Cleverley/Jones/whoever we sign to replace Scholes. Cleverley will progress into the cup games that Gibson was playing. That gives us 4 CMs plus a DC who also plays CM so 5 in total and I don't see too much of a problem with that needing us to sign an extra player.
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Giggs played more than a handful of games in the cetnre owing to the fact that he hasn't got teh pace to play wide left any more - the signing of Young suggests to me that he'll play there even less next year. Hargreaves may not have been playing but there was always a chance he would get fit, and he would have played if he had been.

Jones may on occaision end up playing in midfield but he's clearly been sigend to play centre half, and is in any event not an attacking player of any sort and is only likely (in my view) to be deployed there when we use a five man midfield.

Cleverly may come on and do very well but he needs time to do so. Hopefully he will get a chance. Anderson may also improve. Always good to have plenty of players after a place.

Its all a matter of opinion but I think someone like Adam could be useful - more attack minded than Carrick or Fletcher and is a threat from set pieces. I think there's space for someone like that in the squad, especially in a 50 game season when injuries and lack of form are taken into account.
 
RedRover said:
Actually, being an avid viewer of pretty much any football on the TV I watched a lot of Blackpool games last year because they were a breath of fresh air. Also watched them a fair few times the season before in the Championship.

Seems that argument is trotted out time and again by the way - I personally think I've watched enough of him to form an opinion, and have been impressed by what I've seen after I thought that along with the rest of the Blackpool side the PL would be a significant step too far.
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Well if that's really the case you should realise he simply isn't good for any top team, especially United. His passing is so overrated it's untrue, mostly because the one special pass he pulls off in a game gets wanked over on MoTD and all the misplaced ones ignored. In a bigger team he'd soon be found out under greater scrutiny. His best asset is his ability to take a set piece, but that's not enough to make up for the rest of his game, you can't have a passenger/liability on the pitch just because they can take a decent freekick.

Somebody recently suggested he was possibly the best passer in the league now Scholes has retired. Absolutely laughable. He's mid table quality at best.
 
R_Nick said:
Well if that's really the case you should realise he simply isn't good for any top team, especially United. His passing is so overrated it's untrue, mostly because the one special pass he pulls off in a game gets wanked over on MoTD and all the misplaced ones ignored. In a bigger team he'd soon be found out under greater scrutiny. His best asset is his ability to take a set piece, but that's not enough to make up for the rest of his game, you can't have a passenger/liability on the pitch just because they can take a decent freekick.

Somebody recently suggested he was possibly the best passer in the league now Scholes has retired. Absolutely laughable. He's mid table quality at best.
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The fact that that bolded part is the key in this post says it all about Adam really. I hope to feck he transfers to Liverpool asap. I'd rather we take a punt on one of our youth than Adam.
 
R_Nick said:
Well if that's really the case you should realise he simply isn't good for any top team, especially United. His passing is so overrated it's untrue, mostly because the one special pass he pulls off in a game gets wanked over on MoTD and all the misplaced ones ignored. In a bigger team he'd soon be found out under greater scrutiny. His best asset is his ability to take a set piece, but that's not enough to make up for the rest of his game, you can't have a passenger/liability on the pitch just because they can take a decent freekick.

Somebody recently suggested he was possibly the best passer in the league now Scholes has retired. Absolutely laughable. He's mid table quality at best.
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Clearly you know better than anyone else then - especially the likes of Kenny Dalglish and assorted other professional Premier League managers who seem to rate him.

Say what you like, clearly we have different opinions.
 
RedRover said:
Clearly you know better than anyone else then - especially the likes of Kenny Dalglish and assorted other professional Premier League managers who seem to rate him.

Say what you like, clearly we have different opinions.
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All mid-table clubs and their managers. If you're aspiring to win the league and compete in the CL, Adam is not what you'd want. Gibson is better than Adam. If we needed to make up the squad numbers, keeping Gibson is the much better option.
 
Didn't Slur Alex make a move for him in January? Hmmmm
 
R_Nick said:
Well if that's really the case you should realise he simply isn't good for any top team, especially United. His passing is so overrated it's untrue, mostly because the one special pass he pulls off in a game gets wanked over on MoTD and all the misplaced ones ignored. In a bigger team he'd soon be found out under greater scrutiny. His best asset is his ability to take a set piece, but that's not enough to make up for the rest of his game, you can't have a passenger/liability on the pitch just because they can take a decent freekick.

Somebody recently suggested he was possibly the best passer in the league now Scholes has retired. Absolutely laughable. He's mid table quality at best.
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The high level of opinion some people have on themselves in here is staggering.

Clearly, because I don't agree with you I don't know what I'm talking about and I should should realise "he simply isnt good enough for a top team"?

I've watched football at varying levels for a long time, and am impressed by certain players and not by others based on what I see. In Adam I've seen a player who's raw, clearly needs guidance but has a good range of passing and seems rarely overawed even when playing against top sides.

I also disagree that in a better team a player is neccessarily under "more scrutiny". A good team can make an average player look much better - as is the case with the odd United player who moves on and looks distinctly average.

Last season I saw various central midfielders at United, supposedly much better than him (playing in front of one of the best back 4's in the world and with great wide and forward players in front) who couldn't take a game by the scruff of the neck like he did for a vastly inferior side - the games against Spurs and Liverpool are particularly memorable.

He's not a top player and most probably never will be - but a manager like Fergie, who has improved players time and again, could maybe in my view polish him up into a tidy player. I dont expect you to agree and clearly you know better - you should be working in football if you aren't already.
 
RedRover said:
Clearly you know better than anyone else then - especially the likes of Kenny Dalglish and assorted other professional Premier League managers who seem to rate him.

Say what you like, clearly we have different opinions.
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Kenny Dalglish, the manager in charge of the team who finished mid table and one place above mid table in the last 2 seasons respectively thinking he can do well at a mid table team.

Being good enough to serve Liverpool is different to being good enough to serve United, also being rated by a manager who got fired for being shit, is different to being rated by the SAF.
 
I'm flattered that you felt that post deserved two replies, RedRover, but I don't know why you've got your panties in such a twist. I've not said anywhere that I'm better placed than anyone or that my opinion carries more weight than anyone elses so I don't know why you're fighting that corner. Naturally I believe my opinion to be correct, what with it being my opinion and all, but you're perfectly entitled to disagree just as much as I'm entitled to think the idea that Adam is good enough is laughable.

I'm not alone either, clearly, but keep on fighting the good fight against my non existent superior attitude.
 
Zarlak said:
Kenny Dalglish, the manager in charge of the team who finished mid table and one place above mid table in the last 2 seasons respectively thinking he can do well at a mid table team.

Being good enough to serve Liverpool is different to being good enough to serve United, also being rated by a manager who got fired for being shit, is different to being rated by the SAF.
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Or - a manager who took a very poor side under Hodgson struggling at the foot of the table, identified and signed a really top player in Luis Suarez and then got a team of distinctly average players playing some very good football, beating Chelsea, United and Man City (the latter two very comfortably) while climbing the table.

I was suprised as anyone how succesful Dalglish was and he's clearly got it all to do next year when the pressure is on - but it seems so far as if he knows what he's doing. As a united fan I don't like it but credit where its due.

Indeed, unless Arsenal spend wisely Liverpool may in my opinion have a shout at making top four.

I dont see why what I'm saying is so controversial - if Adam was commanding a massive fee I'd no doubt feel the money could be spent better elsewhere, but given the sums it costs to sign realtively unknown foreign players like Bebe (or this young Argentinian Arsenal have suposedly signed) with no Premier League experience - I think he'd be worth a punt to add depth to the squad in an area where we are weak and as a bit of a project player, for what would be a fairly meagre sum.
 
RedRover said:
Or - a manager who took a very poor side under Hodgson struggling at the foot of the table, identified and signed a really top player in Luis Suarez and then got a team of distinctly average players playing some very good football, beating Chelsea, United and Man City (the latter two very comfortably) while climbing the table.

I was suprised as anyone how succesful Dalglish was and he's clearly got it all to do next year when the pressure is on - but it seems so far as if he knows what he's doing. As a united fan I don't like it but credit where its due.

Indeed, unless Arsenal spend wisely Liverpool may in my opinion have a shout at making top four.

I dont see why what I'm saying is so controversial - if Adam was commanding a massive fee I'd no doubt feel the money could be spent better elsewhere, but given the sums it costs to sign realtively unknown foreign players like Bebe (or this young Argentinian Arsenal have suposedly signed) with no Premier League experience - I think he'd be worth a punt to add depth to the squad in an area where we are weak and as a bit of a project player, for what would be a fairly meagre sum.
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That first line looks like it was lifted directly from the propaganda machine at RAWK - foot of the table. :lol:

Weren't you the same person slagging off United fans in the Henderson thread and accusing them of red-tinted specs?

Now you're blowing smoke up Adam and Liverpool's arse?

Hmmmm.
 
I would be delighted if Adam replaced Merieles at Liverpool. Heck, I would be delighted if Liverpool spent 10 million on Adam even if Merieles stayed.
 
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