Charlie Adam | Set for talks with Liverpool

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Croatian beauty contest style.

I reckon the majority reaction from most liverpool fans was 'wtf? well... well done, raul!'

Majority? Most?

How do you know the opinions of the majority of Liverpool fans?

I don't know where you're going with this, to be honest. It's fairly obvious that he had a good season for Liverpool. Hence, when he got nominated for this award there's every chance that any Liverpool fan who found out about it would give him their vote. No need for any conspiracy theories.
 
Majority? Most?

How do you know the opinions of the majority of Liverpool fans?

I don't know where you're going with this, to be honest. It's fairly obvious that he had a good season for Liverpool. Hence, when he got nominated for this award there's every chance that any Liverpool fan who found out about it would give him their vote. No need for any conspiracy theories.

Not going much of anywhere except to say I don't think I've talked to a single liverpool fan anywhere who hasn't thought it was a bit weird.
 
Ok, so apparently the nominees were only from player's who won player of the month during the season. In which case, it makes sense that Liverpool fans would vote for Raul as the only liverpool player among them.

Nevertheless, it seems this was the work of internet terrorists.
 
Internet terrorists? Hardly. Liverpool fans on a Liverpool message board talking about voting for a Liverpool player. All seems very straightforward to me.

No doubt the usual lunatic fringe Liverpool fans have decided to turn on him because he was a Hodgson signing but most sane football fans would realise that he was an important player for you last season. Like I said, he'll be missed.
 
I thought he was the most important factor in their renaissance under Dalglish (aside from Dalglish, obviously). He was really good in those games. I actually thought Spearing looked pretty woeful, though the young full-back played well and so did Rodriguez. But Meireles was the catalyst. I'd be very surprised (and pleased) if they let him go.
 
The rumour I read is that they signed him on a certain wage and agreed to review it at the end of the season, and now they don't want to increase it by all that much. Is that the case?
 
Internet terrorists? Hardly. Liverpool fans on a Liverpool message board talking about voting for a Liverpool player. All seems very straightforward to me.

No doubt the usual lunatic fringe Liverpool fans have decided to turn on him because he was a Hodgson signing but most sane football fans would realise that he was an important player for you last season. Like I said, he'll be missed.

'Internet terrorist' was the appellation given by Hicks to liverpool fans who worked against him. Badge of honour.

No one has turned on Raul nor has him being a Hodgson signing anything to do with anything. He came 4th in the club's fans vote for best player last year. He was a good player for us and I'd be more than happy for him to stay. I think he deserves to stay based on his performances.

He's not a rare talent though and I don't think he will be that hard to replace if we decide to sell.
 
That's what the papers are saying anyway.

I remember there was an interesting article in the Sunday Times last summer (I think) during the window. They were talking about transfer negoiations generally and how they'd changed and one of the things that came across is the number of concessions that often have to be made to get deals to go through. The idea of buying someone for £13m odd knowing that you'll have to pay him a shitload more money 9 months later if he doesn't flop seems slightly bizarre to me. I know people say contracts aren't worth the paper they're written on but this sort of thing seems a bit much to me.
 
I remember there was an interesting article in the Sunday Times last summer (I think) during the window. They were talking about transfer negoiations generally and how they'd changed and one of the things that came across is the number of concessions that often have to be made to get deals to go through. The idea of buying someone for £13m odd knowing that you'll have to pay him a shitload more money 9 months later if he doesn't flop seems slightly bizarre to me. I know people say contracts aren't worth the paper they're written on but this sort of thing seems a bit much to me.

It's not that radical an idea though.

In other fields of work you might offer someone a contract/promotion which had a salary slightly lower than they wanted on the understanding that they would have an additional performance/salary review at some point in the next 12 months.
 
The rumour I read is that they signed him on a certain wage and agreed to review it at the end of the season, and now they don't want to increase it by all that much. Is that the case?

I also heard somewhere that if Aquilani's still there at the end of June they have to pay the final £6 million installment of his transfer fee.

I guess that could explain why they need to cash in on Meireles.
 
It's not that radical an idea though.

In other fields of work you might offer someone a contract/promotion which had a salary slightly lower than they wanted on the understanding that they would have an additional performance/salary review at some point in the next 12 months.

I'm only guessing, but I suspect they wouldn't ship him/he wouldn't be looking to leave if the difference between them wasn't all that great. Say, for example, he wanted double his money. I don't think too many performance reviews would deliver that sort of raise.
 
Merieles was single-handedly keeping Liverpool afloat for a while. He was a one-man team during that purple patch.

Hilarious if he's sold, after all the bleating they did about selling-to-buy under the old Yanks.

You can already see them dressing this one up as a positive though.
 
Merieles was single-handedly keeping Liverpool afloat for a while. He was a one-man team during that purple patch.

Hilarious if he's sold, after all the bleating they did about selling-to-buy under the old Yanks.

You can already see them dressing this one up as a positive though.

This isn't a financial thing though, this is a contractual oddity issue. It's not like they're selling him for £10m because otherwise they can't finance another deal. It's not similar to Hicks and Gillette at all.
 
This isn't a financial thing though, this is a contractual oddity issue. It's not like they're selling him for £10m because otherwise they can't finance another deal. It's not similar to Hicks and Gillette at all.

How do you know?

Even if this contractual issue is true, it's basically them reneging on giving him a better deal.

It will be a money issue, unless Meireles has just had a Torres moment and wants out.
 
How do you know?

Even if this contractual issue is true, it's basically them reneging on giving him a better deal.

It will be a money issue, unless Meireles has just had a Torres moment and wants out.

Well I would imagine it's not a money thing because it surely must be cheaper to improve Meireles' contract than to sign a replacement for him. You'd have thought. But yeh, I don't actually know.
 
Well I would imagine it's not a money thing because it surely must be cheaper to improve Meireles' contract than to sign a replacement for him. You'd have thought. But yeh, I don't actually know.

Not if that replacement is Charlie Adam, or one of the other 12 midfielders they have at the club already.
 
Well I would imagine it's not a money thing because it surely must be cheaper to improve Meireles' contract than to sign a replacement for him. You'd have thought. But yeh, I don't actually know.

:wenger:

They'd get a £12m fee for Meireles.

Sign a lower quality player for £8m on a lower contract, and you've earned £4m and saved yourself wages.
 
:wenger:

They'd get a £12m fee for Meireles.

Sign a lower quality player for £8m on a lower contract, and you've earned £4m and saved yourself wages.

It's Alastair you're talking to, according to him, you can't sign a decent player for less than £20m.
 
It's Alastair you're talking to, according to him, you can't sign a decent player for less than £20m.

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The thing is with H and G is that they kept the fans onside for a couple of years. I just don't believe for a second that Liverpool will sell Meireles and sign a considerably cheaper player. I may well be proven wrong though.
 
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The thing is with H and G is that they kept the fans onside for a couple of years. I just don't believe for a second that Liverpool will sell Meireles and sign a considerably cheaper player. I may well be proven wrong though.

I wouldnt mind us signing Meirelles tbh - but not as our only midfield signing
 
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The thing is with H and G is that they kept the fans onside for a couple of years. I just don't believe for a second that Liverpool will sell Meireles and sign a considerably cheaper player. I may well be proven wrong though.

They'll sell him if he wants away.

And obviously they CAN buy a cheaper replacement. Adam, for example, will probably be cheaper than what they sell Meireles for.
 
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The thing is with H and G is that they kept the fans onside for a couple of years. I just don't believe for a second that Liverpool will sell Meireles and sign a considerably cheaper player. I may well be proven wrong though.

Hicks & Gillett were worshipped for a while. Our yanks are better than your yanks.

Unless Adam costs north of £12m (and I wouldn't rule it out with Liverpool involved), I think Meireles' likely replacement will be a cheaper option.
 
Didn't Meireles win PFA fans player of the year?

Seems like Liverpool fans must have had a higher opinion of him in May if they voted in high enough numbers to have got him this award ahead of the numerous more worthy candidates.
Entirely irrelevant. He, for some bizarre reason, was one of the nominees and Liverpool's only nominee. That Liverpool fans voted for him doesn't really suggest that they rate him, only that they wanted a Liverpool player to win it.
 
Entirely irrelevant. He, for some bizarre reason, was one of the nominees and Liverpool's only nominee. That Liverpool fans voted for him doesn't really suggest that they rate him, only that they wanted a Liverpool player to win it.

Exactly. Meireles winning the award was an absolute joke, & it only made a mockery of the voting system. Lucas was by far & away our best performer last season. So for Raul to get the Player of the Year prize is laughable.

He didn't do anything under Hodgson. Hit a purple patch not long after Kenny took over, but hasn't really contributed much since then. At the age he is, I suspect Liverpool must know if they want to get the optimum price for him, then maybe they need to look at moving him on now - I doubt many Liverpool fans will be too fussed if he stays or goes.
 
'Internet terrorist' was the appellation given by Hicks to liverpool fans who worked against him. Badge of honour.

No one has turned on Raul nor has him being a Hodgson signing anything to do with anything. He came 4th in the club's fans vote for best player last year. He was a good player for us and I'd be more than happy for him to stay. I think he deserves to stay based on his performances.

He's not a rare talent though and I don't think he will be that hard to replace if we decide to sell.
Internet warriors would be more apt. Never have I known supporters of a team who will more furiously comment on blogs, frothingly react to tweets or prematurely make YouTube clips than the mentalists of Anfield Road.

Though I suppose it's not just the internet. The editor of the paper I used to write for would tell me to write about Liverpool because they'd get three times as many letters in about Liverpool articles than any other club, usually alleging some sort of conspiracy in an odd almost-rhyme.
 
Liverpool would be mad to sell Raul Meireles - the man at the heart of the Dalglish bounce

The seemingly unshakeable faith the manager receives from the Kop will be tested if he sells the popular Portuguese midfielder in order to help finance his rebuilding

It's all change at Anfield with Liverpool's ambitious and diligent owners Fenway Sports Group presiding over their first summer since taking over the club in October last year.

After the disastrous and debt-ridden reign of Hicks and Gillett which took Liverpool to the brink of administration, FSG's revolution and the changes that have come with it have been largely welcomed by the club's supporters not least the decision to install club legend Kenny Dalglish as caretaker manager.

The populist choice was vindicated last season as Dalglish helped Liverpool pick up 33 points from 18 games.

Central to the 'Dalglish bounce' were the performances - and goals - of Raul Meireles. With Liverpool captain Steven Gerrard suffering an injury-hit season, the midfielder signed from Porto for £10.7m in August - formed a solid partnership with Lucas Leiva providing energy and steel in midfield.

During one purple patch, he scored five goals in six games - including the winner in a memorable victory at Stamford Bridge in February. And amidst fears that Liverpool lack the wide men to provide the crosses for £35m striker Andy Carroll, it was Meireles who found the head of the big Geordie helping him notch his second goal for the club in a stunning win against Manchester City.

In the second half of the season Meireles demonstrated both his quality and versatility for Liverpool.

His PFA Fans' Player of the Year award at the end of the season showed how appreciated he was by Liverpool fans who are not afraid to demonstrate their collective power in online forums and polls.

It is of little wonder then, that reports that Meireles could be heading for the exit door this summer, have been met with incredulity.

How could last season's Mr Dependable become expendable? Why would Liverpool want to sell one of their best performers of the previous season? A player known for his exemplary attitude and quiet life off the pitch.

Money - as is often the case - lies at the heart of this problem. Liverpool's new owners have balked at the number of under-performing players close to the age of 30 on high wages whom they are now struggling to find buyers for.

Yet Raul Meireles cannot be described as one of these high-earning bench warmers. Meireles is believed to pocket around £35,000-a-week at Anfield - a modest sum compared to what his less than successful teammates earn. Joe Cole, Milan Jovanovic, Paul Konchesky, and Christian Poulsen earn significantly more than Meireles - and between them they made just 38 starts for Liverpool last season - just six more than the Portuguese midfielder's total of 32.

It is understood that when Meireles signed for Liverpool he had a loose agreement that, should his first season go well, he would get a pay rise - taking him to at least £65,000 a week. Despite the fans' award, the accolades and the key role in Dalglish's side, FSG are believed to be reluctant to grant a 28 year-old player with little sell on value the rise he expects.

Furthermore, Dalglish seemingly cannot see a place in his first team for Meireles next season. With Gerrard raring to go after an extended period on the sidelines, plus new acquisition Jordan Henderson and the incoming Charlie Adam all vying for places with work horses Lucas and Jay Spearing (not to mention the currently unsellable Alberto Aquilani and Christian Poulsen) - Meireles has been deemed the odd man out.

Yet it hard to conceive how the 21-year-old Henderson, a player who has shown promise but is very much a work in progress, would offer more to the team than Meireles, an experienced international who has played at the top level for both Portugal and Porto.

Moreover, Charlie Adam may have had a sensational season for Blackpool, but there remain serious questions about his mental strength and capability to perform at a top club stemming from his time at Rangers.

For Liverpool fans it all seems painfully familiar. In 2008 the popular, likeable and classy Xabi Alonso was informed by manager Rafa Benitez that he was surplus to requirements. The Spanish manager made a not-very-secret bid to sign Gareth Barry as Alonso's replacement but the two clubs failed to agree a price for the England man. It was the footballing equivalent of wanting to trade in your Lexus for a Volvo. The seeds of Alonso's departure were sown that summer and the terrace-favourite left for Real Madrid the following year hastening Liverpool's slide out of the top four.

Meireles may not be in Alonso's league - but he's not far off. Liverpool fans have gone into this summer salivating at the prospect of new signings to excite much like the acquisition of Luis Suarez did in January.But expecting the likes of Charlie Adam, Stewart Downing and Jordan Henderson to take Liverpool to that 'next level' and help break the Premier League curse requires a leap of faith from supporters.

Fortunately Kenny Dalglish can rely on a bigger abundance of faith from his fans than most in the game.'In Kenny We Trust' say a growing number of ardent Liverpool supporters - many of whom remember when he fashioned a cluster of modestly-priced players such as Steve McMahon, Ronnie Whelan and Ray Houghton into one of the most formidable midfield units in English football.

But if Meireles is sold it will smack of a business decision rather than a footballing one. Few will argue against the importance of making sound business decisions in Liverpool's new era - particularly after the money-borrowing madness of Hicks & Gillett.

But at Liverpool where a player is embraced by the fans if they work hard, keep the ball and show a willingness to play for the team (the odd long range screamer also helps), even the most vaunted manager of all will need to justify selling a Kop favourite like Meireles.

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Exactly. Meireles winning the award was an absolute joke, & it only made a mockery of the voting system. Lucas was by far & away our best performer last season. So for Raul to get the Player of the Year prize is laughable.

He didn't do anything under Hodgson. Hit a purple patch not long after Kenny took over, but hasn't really contributed much since then. At the age he is, I suspect Liverpool must know if they want to get the optimum price for him, then maybe they need to look at moving him on now - I doubt many Liverpool fans will be too fussed if he stays or goes.

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And so it begins. If this was happening under H&G you'd be throwing yourselves in front of buses.

"Can't believe the owners are selling the PFA fans player of the year!"

"Why are we selling one our best performers from last season when we're shit?"

"Farewell Raul, you were a hero amongst men, sleep well little squirrel"

That Mereiles purple patch was the only thing saving you from the stink under Dalglish.
 
Doesn't it have to be funny or at least original, rather than a lame tired gag, for sense of humour to apply?

I've seen loads of United fans being pulled up for using terms like Liverpoo and Man Shitty, which are similarly unfunny and juvenile.

You'd last less than 3 posts on RAWK as a United fan, nevermind 3000.
 
Liverpool and Blackpool close to agreeing a deal for Charlie Adam with 2 Liverpool players going as part of the deal #LFC #BFC
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Finally an end to this saga. Was hoping this will finish quickly.

Also, whilst searching for this thread, I found this remarkable thread
https://www.redcafe.net/f9/we-will-sign-charlie-adam-330370/
 
He's nothing special, a signing a mid-table team would make.
 
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