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Charlie Adam | Set for talks with Liverpool
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Just been over to RAWK and they reckon he has signed for 60k a week (which has upset some of them 
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).Bit weird that the dippers are signing central midfielders and we're signing defenders and wingers. Role reversal or what?
That first line looks like it was lifted directly from the propaganda machine at RAWK - foot of the table.
Weren't you the same person slagging off United fans in the Henderson thread and accusing them of red-tinted specs?
Now you're blowing smoke up Adam and Liverpool's arse?
Hmmmm.
Given that Im as ardent a United fan as I could be - I don't see the relevance of anything i said in the Henderson thread.
I'm simply pointing out a fact. Dalglish did a lot better than I expected - I was on the bandwagon with a lot of others: Too long out of the game, failure at Newcastle and unable to handle the pressure at Liverpool and at Blackburn when the going got tough.
As a United fan I full expected, and obviously hoped he'd be a massive failure. Fact is, he hasn't been and they convincingly beat some good sides - and I have a grudging respect for that, especially as I like to see as a competative a Premier League as possible, and the battle between him and Fergie going back over a copuple of decades is an interesting sideshow.
Clearly the fact that I'm not slagging of Liverpool blindly offends some people on here.
As far as Charlie Adam goes I simply like the way he plays - without fear and with a bit of ambition. He'll never be Lionel Messi but he's entertaining and I'd be interested to see how Fergie could mould him - especially if he wouldnt represent much of a financial risk. I dont see why that is so controversial.
I don't begrudge Liverpool, or Kenny myself, only RAWK.
But this KK wank fest is a bit too early, we know what he have done in the past and it is admireable, and deserves it's own adulation, but as for the present, I don't think he have done anything to merit any kinds of adulation. I see it as a fresh air luck, you're bound to have things going your way with a new manager, something fresh sparking a few fires among the old guards, but to claim he's the next coming of Shankly is abit too early.
Liverpool for all the funds available to them can't attract big names at the time being due to their failures for years ( i said failures because clearly thye haven't lived up to their previous glory), they're not among the Europe's elite based on performance, just based on myth and long lost fame.
It's not always gloom and doom, they will always be there in terms of history, it'll take another 20years of mediocre to wipe it out, and realistically Adams is a good signing for them, he will be motivated playing for them, and that's what they need, not the big name who's gonna sulk every summer, just the good old 2nd tier water carrier.
As much as we hate them and they hate us, I believe we harbor respect for each other (well... not rawkites probably), deep inside we want them to be there for us, for every hero needs a worthy villain, chelsea for all their challenges doesn't feels the same, because we value our tradition as much as liverpool's tradition, sometimes you just miss your arch enemy.
Whether or not Kenny will bring Liverpool back to their place... we're about to see that, and i'm excited of a dog fight between kenny and Saf
It's the memory that'll be a part of me to tell my kids
I agree. Much easier to play without pressure and expectation. This year will be the litmus test - but he deserves credit for dragging together a fairly poor squad following the Hicks and Gillet saga and the Hodgson debacle and getting any sort of decent performaces last season.
I dont think they're likely to challenge for the title in the near future but he's trying to build a solid base of English players - although I do think they could do with a significant amount more quality.
They seem to have some decent young kids coming through as well - hopefully some of the English ones might turn out to be decent players iin terms of International football.
Nope. It was for Young.
Btw
Or a 2 day ban
He did. A 5 point infraction. Lucky not to get a permanent ban.
The squad that Dalglish inherited was one of the best in the league. Worse than the clubs that finished in the top four but better than every other team in the league and considerably better than most. It's not as though he took a bunch of journeymen and made them punch above their weight.
Also worth bearing in mind that the honeymoon period you see with almost all new managerial signings would have got them on a decent run. Demoralised players feel optimistic that their season might be about to turn round and lazy/demotivated players start working their balls off to hold onto their place in the team.
Liverpool did get some good results against big teams but what's new? They've been doing that for years now. On their day, Liverpool are a tough nut to crack and have turned over the likes of Chelsea, United and Arsenal repeatedly over the last few years. Those results weren't some magical turnaround in their fortunes.
Dalglish took us from 17th in the league to 6th - and nearly into CL spots barring some silly results at the end. Pressure or no pressure, that's still impressive as he did this with Spearing and Lucas as his midfield stalwarts, not Gerrard and Alonso.
Bit premature to write Mereiles out of history, isn't it? You'll miss him when he's gone.
Although it probably felt like it to most of the fans after what went before.
Liverpool were 12th when Dalglish took over behind Everton on goal difference although Everton played a match more. So Unlike you to change the facts when it suits your argument more.
Spearing got into the team on the 20th March 2011, so it was actually about 6 weeks or so of the season he played.
Why the feck do scousers always do this? Why omit your best midfielder from last season from your post? cause it looks better on Kenny?
oh, and Liverpool were not 17th when he took over, I'm pretty sure Kenny took them to 17th by losing against Blackpool?
Fair enough, like Wibble said the situation was so bad that any turnaround was magical. The league position was bad enough but the football being played under Hodgson was truly suicide-inducing.
Hardly "magical".
You had an underperforming squad that was the 6th best in the league and they didn't seem to like playing for Hodgson.
Nope that was well known to be Young.Hurry up Adam put my mind at rest.
Adam? feck no.
If SAF wanted him then he'd have ended up here, just like Jones. Thank feck he didn't. The sooner he signs for you lot the better.
No, your lot and Spurs did.
Do you think if Fergie was after him he'd be bigging up his worth in post match interviews?
You raise some good points - I'm not suggesting that Dalglish was a miracle worker, only that he did very well with what I consider an average squad with a lot of average players - especially given the cirumstances they were in at the time given the off field circus.
They may have beaten United and other top sides in the past - but at the time they were pushing for the title and had players of the quality of Mascherano, a younger (and fitter) Gerrard, Alonso and a world class forward in Torres.
Time will tell whether he can take them back to the top four and his metal will be truly tested next season, but credit where its due.
Its all off topic although my point in general was in response to comments that he doesnt know what he's doing which I didn't accept.
I might not like the bloke but he's done a good job so far.
You were 12th, and 5 points off 7th with two games in hand. Even had you replicated your awful form under Hodgson in the second half of the season, which wasn't likely to be the case with money to spend in January, you would have finished 9th. He did a good job under favourable enough circumstancs (no real pressure, Torres transfer, anything looking good after Hodgson).
He won 10, drew 3 and lost 5 in the league (69.6 points over a full season), as well as winning 1, drawing 2 and losing 1 in the Europa League, and losing 1 in the FA Cup. Nothing spectacular, certainly not "magical".
Next year is his real test, particularly given the fact that he seems to have a budget to match most and the XI should be made up with around half of his personal signings.
You were 12th, and 5 points off 7th with two games in hand. Even had you replicated your awful form under Hodgson in the second half of the season, which wasn't likely to be the case with money to spend in January, you would have finished 9th. He did a good job under favourable enough circumstancs (no real pressure, Torres transfer, anything looking good after Hodgson).
He won 10, drew 3 and lost 5 in the league (69.6 points over a full season), as well as winning 1, drawing 2 and losing 1 in the Europa League, and losing 1 in the FA Cup. Nothing spectacular, certainly not "magical".
Next year is his real test, particularly given the fact that he seems to have a budget to match most and the XI should be made up with around half of his personal signings.
More like Comolli's signings though I guess Dalglish has some input.
Meh, if they perform it's Dalglish, if they don't it's comolli's
I had wondered what their excuse of choice would
Is that the same Jon Jo Shelvy that is a cross between Alonso and Gerrard? Damn
He had a great month under Kenny when he couldn't stop scoring and spent the rest of the season showing promise he could be a good player and overall being decent.
I think he's a good player and good enough to be a squad player for a big club, but he has not been near as influential as some people are making him out to be.
If he had a decent defensive game, he'd be twice the player though. Right now he feels a bit like half a midfielder because he can't and won't tackle.
Didn't Meireles win PFA fans player of the year?
Seems like Liverpool fans must have had a higher opinion of him in May if they voted in high enough numbers to have got him this award ahead of the numerous more worthy candidates.
If it wasn't for the first line this post could easily be about Charlie Adam.
I actually think this is a decent bit of business for Liverpool, certainly better value than most of the other British transfers they've done/been linked with so far. He's of a good age and had a very good Premier League debut season, he's been hyped a bit too much in the media but he'll still prove to be a handy player for Liverpool.
Exactly. Especially the last two sentences.
Just need to add a line or two about him looking slightly overweight and blowing bubbles out his arse for the last 30 minutes of every game he plays.
That award was bizarre by anyone's standards. He wasn't even Liverpool's best midfielder. Reckon someone set up a bot to rig the vote or something or some group conspired to win it for him.
Nicely done though.
That's definitely the most likely reason. Well done you for uncovering the scam.
Unless you mean by "some group conspiring" you're talking about Liverpool fans? Because that would be a distinct possibility.
Wish Liverpool would hurry up and get this transfer sorted out, along with Downing of course. Just need to know for sure that we won't be lumbered with either of them.
yeah, pretty much. On the plus side, Adam is a few years younger, could potentially become a better player and if we're swapping one for the other I reckon we'll get more for Raul than we'll spend on Adam.
But for the present, it seems a bit like a sideways step.
I mean some concerted group of liverpool fans. Lucas won the club's fan's player of the year and the obvious majority would not have had Meireles at the top spot to vote for him in such a contest. I figure some smaller group of reds decided 'everyone vote for raul' and made it happen. It can't have been too widespread a phenomena as it certainly wasn't floating around any of the boards I know of.
So a "smaller group of reds" managed to out-vote fans of all the other clubs in the country? Hmmm...
Croatian beauty contest style.
I reckon the majority reaction from most liverpool fans was 'wtf? well... well done, raul!'
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