Charlie Adam | Set for talks with Liverpool

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Pogue Mahone said:
Yes. This is obvious. Well done for stating it.

Of course, they haven't sold Anfield to sign him. Nor will they. Nor have they spent 50 million on him. Or 500 grand.

My point (which I thought was equally as obvious as yours) is the fact people seem to be so precise in their cut off points between what does and does not make a player a good signing.

Charlie Adams for 7 million = a very good deal. Charlie Adams for 10 million = (presumably) not a very good deal. It smacks of an FM mentality and means feck all when it comes to judging whether any player really is a good signing or not.

I couldn't give a toss whether Hernandez cost 5 or 15 million. He's been a great signing for us.

Conversely, I don't think Charlie Adams is a good signing for Liverpool, whether he cost 7 or 17 million.
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Well in terms of the odd £4-5m here and there for already wealthy clubs, I would agree with you.

I don't agree with your last sentence at all. Teams spend the most amount of money on the players whom they expect to play the most pivotal roles in their line-up. Spending £17m on Adam would be a huge waste of money, given that for that amount of money, they could have signed a better player. £7m implies he's being signed more for a squad role, and thus it is a better signing than it would have been for £17m.

That isn't a FM mentality - I've never played it, it's just logical.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Yes. This is obvious. Well done for stating it.

Of course, they haven't sold Anfield to sign him. Nor will they. Nor have they spent 50 million on him. Or 500 grand.

My point (which I thought was equally as obvious as yours) is the fact people seem to be so precise in their cut off points between what does and does not make a player a good signing.

Charlie Adams for 7 million = a very good deal. Charlie Adams for 10 million = (presumably) not a very good deal. It smacks of an FM mentality and means feck all when it comes to judging whether any player really is a good signing or not.

I couldn't give a toss whether Hernandez cost 5 or 15 million. He's been a great signing for us.

Conversely, I don't think Charlie Adams is a good signing for Liverpool, whether he cost 7 or 17 million.
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The key word above is 'presumably'.

You presume I've created a 'cut off' at 10m.

You presume I have a FM mentality. I"ve never even played the fecking thing. So you can feck right off if you are going to start labeling me with the transfer muppet tag.

My post was very simply 7m is a good price for Adam. Because I think he's a good player. Nothing to do with FM mentality or 'cut off points'. Just relative to the prices being paid so far this summer it strikes me as one of the more reasonable and realistic fees. It was simply a comment on a news story. It wasn't the idle speculation of 'imagine if we signed......whoever'.

Your reply to my post was petty and dismissive - it 'did your head in' - well boo fecking hoo.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
So what wouldn't be a "very good deal"?

If he cost, say 10 million, would Liverpool be better off not signing him?

Or would 12 million be the point at which he goes from a very good signing to a shite signing?

Does my head in this obsession with transfer fees. When did people stop judging new signings on their merits as a footballer, rather than their re-sale value?
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And no one is more obsessed than yourself. Funny that.
 
RedPhil1957 said:
I would love to know how many scotish rejects have made it big in england?
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There are a number of players who've done better in England rather than Scotland (although there's a bigger number the other way), but it's many a year since somebody wasn't regarded as good enough for a Scottish club then enjoyed a good career down south. Probably big Duncan Ferguson is the last one.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
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Fair enough.

Although as far as foreign players go for every Hernandez there's a couple of Bellion's, Bebe's, Kleberson's and Djemba Djemba's.

Actually though Liverpool would end up paying more for him. Especially given that its the height of silly season.
 
Decotron said:
Why would you assume that? He's always had that style since he was a kid... dont see it changing anytime soon personally....
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The Blackopol keeper has been very critical about last season - talking about how unprofessional they were - allegedly having to wash their own kit at the start of the season. Tells me that he probably wasnt being looked after very well or getting the right advice and or/training.

I think its fair to assume that with Liverpool's money no expense will be spared in getting the very best out of any player in terms of fitness and diet. The backroom support, as at all top clubs will be world class.

This is the lad's big chance - he'll probably try to grab it with both hands.
 
I see its not only Liverpool players & fans that are deluded about Liverpools chances, its seems the virus has reached journalistic proportions aswell:

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TEAMtalk Editor Simon Wilkes feels Kenny Dalgish's Liverpool must be considered as realistic Premier League title contenders next season.

Forget about going fourth next season, Liverpool should be targeting the Premier League title.

The number 20 is on Reds fans' minds after seeing owners Fenway Sports Group splash £20million on England midfielder Jordan Henderson.

But the addition of playmaker Charlie Adam and likely arrival of winger Stewart Downing at Anfield means 19 should be the dominant digit as they look at match Manchester United's new record haul of league crowns.

Glen Johnson says he is "quietly confident" about the new season, and so he should be as the Reds' form under Kenny Dalglish in the second half of last season suggests they will be a force to be reckoned with this term.

Liverpool's record under King Kenny was impressive considering he was missing the services of talismanic captain Steven Gerrard, who could well line up in a new-look midfield comprising Downing on the left flank, Henderson on the right and Adam alongside him in the middle on August 13.

That's a pretty creative and dynamic midfield to provide ammunition for strike pair Luis Suarez and Andy Carroll, who showed glimpses of chemistry last season and will be a handful for any Premier League defence.

Liverpool have often been touted as title contenders in the summer months, but the difference this time around is that they now have strength in depth.

If Suarez or Carroll get injured, the prolific Dirk Kuyt - who clicked brilliantly with classy Uruguayan Suarez - can come in. If an Adam-Gerrard midfield combination is too attacking for away games, Lucas Leiva can step up. And if Henderson takes time to settle, Maxi Rodriguez - who found his goalscoring boots last term - will be waiting in the wings.

Jay Spearing also looked the part whenever called upon, so for the first season in a long time Gerrard will be able to play without the massive burden of carrying the entire club's hopes and dreams on his shoulders.

Don't forget there's Raul Meireles and Joe Cole - but although they're currently part of the playing squad, that could be different come the opening game against Sunderland, as they seem to be the fall guys who could be shipped out to offset some of this summer's spree.

Some fans have questioned the acquisition of Adam, and it will be interesting to see how he reacts to no longer being a big fish in a small pond - but £7million for an international midfielder who is a set-piece specialist, scored 12 top-flight goals and set up countless others last season is good business in anyone's book.

At 25, Adam has his best years ahead of him, with the likes of Henderson, Suarez and Carroll also likely to flourish further under the tutelage of Dalglish, Steve Clarke and Kevin Keen.

Liverpool are getting their house in order not just for the coming year, but the next five to 10, with youngsters such as reserve team captain Andre Wisdom, John Flanagan and Jack Robinson likely to join Martin Kelly in getting a regular taste of first-team action.

With highly-rated Birmingham defender Scott Dann and Downing now on the Reds' radar, it seems the spending is far from over for the Merseysiders.

And although it's a big ask to bridge the gap that saw United take the league titles record last season, the Reds have at least put down a massive statement of intent which Sir Alex Ferguson simply cannot ignore.

King Kenny's Reds ready to rule once again - TEAMtalk | Latest Football News, Results and Fixtures

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Fergie must be brickin it - I know i am... :nervous::(:nervous::(:nervous::(:nervous:
 
Pogue Mahone in "I'm right and you're not" shocker :lol:

In regards to Adam; I'd expect a Fulham or Aston Villa to sign him. Not the mighty Liverpool of Mersey Beat.
 
He will turn up as a decent signing I think. He is at least better than who ever they have across the midfield bar Gerrard and Kuyt.
 
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