For Charlie Adam to be utilised effectively pretty much the whole team has to be set up to suit him - ie. a luxury player. Thats why he flopped at Rangers (when he had to run a bit) and its why he excelled at Blackpool. He's nowhere near good enough for us to sign and base our game around, which we would have to do to get the best out of him
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For Charlie Adam to be utilised effectively pretty much the whole team has to be set up to suit him - ie. a luxury player. Thats why he flopped at Rangers (when he had to run a bit) and its why he excelled at Blackpool. He's nowhere near good enough for us to sign and base our game around, which we would have to do to get the best out of him
He flopped at Rangers as he was played out wide. He isn't the 'running' kind.
Completely agree.
And he also played now and again in the centre for Rangers and he was not good enough. If we went to us, he would end up well back in the pecking order.
That was said about Berbatov too and SAF made him run. Only Cantona passed through SAF's hands with a licence to do no running.Yeah, thats my point
Do you play in the EPL? If not, then it's unlikely you could fairly rate your own skills to that of Fletcher, as we are rating his skills against the best opposition in England.
Adam may or may not be good enough to perform as well for us as he has for Blackpool, but it is impossible to propose with certainty that he could not. Looking at both he and fletcher playing against the same quality of opposition, i would suggest in my view Adam is clearly a more talented player. That doesn't mean i'm suggesting Adam would be better than Fletcher in Fletcher's role, only that Adam has the capability to regularly offer more in a CM position than fletcher.
It is the standard of his offering that is in question, and as i said it is impossible to definitively predict how good he is (or isn't) until he gets a chance on a bigger stage.
I do agree however that if we are to sign a CM this summer, i too would hope for someone who is more proven at the highest level than Adam, but if we have no money as many still propose, he would at least bring more naturally creative attributes to our midfield than Carrick, Fletcher or Gibson.
That was my point though. Because a player is better at some part of his game than another player, it doesn't make him a better player. I'm sure there are a couple of parts to Adam's game that are better than Lionel Messi's.
That is undoubtedly true, but you have to look at their overall contribution to determine who is the more capable player.
Fletcher's best attributes can be attributed more to attitude than to talent. If Adam were to adopt a similar attitude who would you suggest would have a greater all round capability?
Adam has more creative talent, but Fletcher is a better player for us, because his attributes suit us a lot more.
If we are going to bring in a creative player, it has to be someone similar to the quality that we had before. Imagine Carrick and Adam in midfield. We'd be laughed off the pitch against most decent sides.
Adam has never and will never have that kind of workrate. He is as someone said earlier a luxury player. And we already have our own luxury players.
Aye, I'm sure you're a great goalkeeper.
Adam has a decent workrate though, and for Blackpool he may indeed be a luxury player, but that does not mean it is all he can ever be. As Chief said previously Berbatov has significantly upped his workrate since joining Utd, so who's to say Adam couldn't do the same.
Remember Adam is still relatively young and there could be any number of reasons why he failed to make the grade at Rangers. Imo Adam often runs out of gas because he is simply too excitable or gung ho. He repeatedly charges up and down the pitch until he inevitably runs out of steam, not too dissimilar to how the Da Silva's operated when they were played in midfield. They ran out of steam in an hour but you wouldn't call them lazy.
Adam needs to calm down a little and pick and choose his runs better, this may be down to how blackpool play, they are so dependent on Adam for creativity, he is usually required to continually go forward whenever they regain possession.
I would just say it is difficult for me to completely write him off based on nothing but speculative opinion.
we should be setting our sights higher than Charlie Adam
Could not agree more!
hes a good midfielder but we dont need any more good midfielders,we have enough of those.
Maybe we have been spoilt over the years with fantastic midfielders
and thats the problem?
One thing is for sure i am chuffed to bits that scholes is staying on the coaching staff ,it can only benefit the younger players being taught by one the the greatest
Like the thread edit, Top.No need for insults, lad, yeah
I made that assumption as I can't see any other reason why you would think his passing is all that great
Anyway what I said was pretty spot on, except I didn't realise that he was suspended. There really isn't anything further to discuss.
I made that assumption as I can't see any other reason why you would think his passing is all that great
The only reason somebody would think his passing is extremely good is if they only watch highlights of him. His passing is not that good.
Just because he failed at one club where he was played out of position, in a style that didn't suit him at a much earlier stage in his development doesn't mean he can't adapt to anything less than having the whole team set up around him (nor does the fact he's excelled for a team that's been set up to suit him, that's true for every player, thus largely irrelevant). There is a middle ground...which he hasn't failed at (yet).
That's true. On the other hand we're talking here about the SPL were Liam Miller was considered as a very promising midfielder.
He's clearly a confidence player, he was never allowed to play with freedom or confidence at Rangers. People can belittle a player for failing at Rangers but in reality it's not the easiest club to come up through the ranks. The fans are unforgiving and the pressure is very very high.
I think when Adam moved to blackpool it was the best decision he made, he was always a player with talent and he's proven that now and proven that he can be a key man in the premier league. Yes it was with a team that were relegated but his achievments shouldnt be undermined.
I don't personally think he's of the quality United desire, i think United need a player who can play in a two man midfield and dominate but if you look around europe to find such a player is no mean feat. The vast majority of club sides operate with 3 players in the middle.
When Adam was at Rangers he struggled as he was played as a wide player, he doesnt have pace so he could never really beat his man which hurt him and the fans were on his back. Also he was never tried out in the middle of the park and at the time Rangers had a midfield consisting of Ferguson, Davies and Mendes so it was a struggle to force himself into that position.
I think he'd do well in a top 6-8 team in the prem. He has qualities few possess and whilst he'll never be the complete midfielder his qualities are such that he can find a role in a good team and i hope he does. He deserves nothing less in my opinion.
ALso like to point out that this post is not based on patriotism, after his time at Rangers i wrote him off like so many. It's a credit to him that he's bounced back from that and proven himself. Rangers would bite your hand off for a player like Adam now.
I think when Adam moved to blackpool it was the best decision he made, he was always a player with talent and he's proven that now and proven that he can be a key man in the premier league. Yes it was with a team that were relegated but his achievments shouldnt be undermined.
I don't personally think he's of the quality United desire, i think United need a player who can play in a two man midfield and dominate but if you look around europe to find such a player is no mean feat. The vast majority of club sides operate with 3 players in the middle.
When Adam was at Rangers he struggled as he was played as a wide player, he doesnt have pace so he could never really beat his man which hurt him and the fans were on his back. Also he was never tried out in the middle of the park and at the time Rangers had a midfield consisting of Ferguson, Davies and Mendes so it was a struggle to force himself into that position.
I think he'd do well in a top 6-8 team in the prem. He has qualities few possess and whilst he'll never be the complete midfielder his qualities are such that he can find a role in a good team and i hope he does. He deserves nothing less in my opinion.
ALso like to point out that this post is not based on patriotism, after his time at Rangers i wrote him off like so many. It's a credit to him that he's bounced back from that and proven himself. Rangers would bite your hand off for a player like Adam now.
and thats all he was, a promising midfielder playing with Celtic. he had a good season and looked the part for Celtic playing in his actual role. Adam did have his moments at Rangers but he was never played in his rightful position.
Also unlike Adam, Miller never excelled at any club after Celtic and even then he made what 20 odd appearances in the SPL for celtic? if that's enough for a big club like United to come in then i think it says more about them than the SPL. Or more about the fact he was on a free and worth a punt.
My point is that if someone fails with a club like Celtic/Rangers (a level that Miller excelled in) then I really wonder how can he actually take United to another level. Ok Adams played in the wrong position. He did decently well afterwards with Blackpool (big fish small pond syndrome) but could this former Ranger reject be able to close the gap between our midfield and that of Barcelona? That should be our target.
So are you saying if anyone has failed at Rangers/Celtic and has played out of position he wouldn't have improved United's midfield?
then my answer is simply no.
But you have to use a bit of context rather than just assume because one person does one thing and another does another. Miller played 20 odd games in the SPL, Adam played a whole lot more. He wasnt getting enough game time and so moved on for a fresh start.
The fact that Miller was all down hill after Celtic and Adam has been all uphill after Rangers tells a different story and the truth rather than "he didnt make it at rangers, he cant be good" arguement.
Scotland is a gash league, no doubting that at all but it is still a league and like any it doesnt always provide the platform a player needs to perform. You can be a good player in the prem and be shite in scotland and vice versa.
I give Adam great credit for the way he resurrected his career in England. Which is far greater than making a promising start for Celtic then moving onto mediocrity for the rest of your life.
Can't believe this discussion is still going on. Adam did well this season, at his own level but he shouldn't get anywhere near Manchester United.
And pointing at his goals/assists is a rubbish argument. Muzzy Izzet provided the most assists in the Premier League in 2003/04 but I'm glad we didn't sign him.
And pointing at his goals/assists is a rubbish argument. Muzzy Izzet provided the most assists in the Premier League in 2003/04 but I'm glad we didn't sign him.
You've brought a fair point. I'd love to see the Scottish league rise once again to its former glory but at this point in time we really need world class players in central midfield. Unfortunately I can see no player in Britain who can provide that.
It wont happen, the money isnt here anymore and clubs have the stranglehold of relegation and rangers and celtic have the stranglehold of not winning the title which stifles development of players.
Also i've not once said Adam was the man for United, i firmly believe he isnt, i just think he can and will join a top 6-8 team in the prem and then we'll see how he does.
It wont happen, the money isnt here anymore and clubs have the stranglehold of relegation and rangers and celtic have the stranglehold of not winning the title which stifles development of players.
Also i've not once said Adam was the man for United, i firmly believe he isnt, i just think he can and will join a top 6-8 team in the prem and then we'll see how he does.
I agree.
Oh yeah I know, that was what I was pointing out to, Chief.
Surely the only people that think his passing is "great" etc, are the ones who haven't watched him for 90 minutes - on many occasions.
Somebody in this thread actually said that he is 'great passer', wow just wow.
He has "great" long passing, he's hit and miss with his short passing but capable of splitting a defence
Oh Liverpool
i wont be relieved until adam signs for someone other than us so we can lock this thread.
Agree
According to Ian McGarry from BBC Charlie Adam to Liverpool is a done deal.
The sooner the better.
*breathes a sigh of relief*............wait! Isn't he the guy that said Ashley Young was going to Liverpool?
Im really starting to like Liverpool this summer, first they make sure Henderson comes nowhere near OT now they're being even more charitable and keeping lard arse well clear!Honestly though look at the names they are after, has the word average ever been more appropriate? those list of players are something youd expect a mid table side to compile....oh wait!
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