Casemiro (Out)
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It feels the Saudi league went a little quiet after the crazy summer they had, more of a limited event (perhaps because some lump sum of money for something was coming their way ?).
I think it's a little desperate to hope they are going to bail every unwanted, washed star off the hands of mismanaged Euro clubs.
If a good offer comes for Casemiro by all means explore it. But maybe he's still there come September. Hopefully a more balanced midfield and having an option to rotate him help him play closer to his level.
I think it's a little desperate to hope they are going to bail every unwanted, washed star off the hands of mismanaged Euro clubs.
If a good offer comes for Casemiro by all means explore it. But maybe he's still there come September. Hopefully a more balanced midfield and having an option to rotate him help him play closer to his level.
It's simple really, if we start the season with Casemiro as our one and only true CDM we're done. Keep him if we absolutely have to but we have to find a way to bring in another, whether that be Ugarte or someone else. Ideally, we wanted him and Sancho (among others) gone for a host of reasons and that surely has to remain the case. Hopefully this is just us trying to not look desperate.
I'd say there's an element of making sure they go after people who aren't going to hate it and leave after a few months as well.
Episodes like Henderson and Benzema aren't great for the sportswashing optics.
Casemiro was epic in his first season, EVERYONE was crap last season.
I think with the direction we look to be going at the moment with transfers he will get back to his best soon enough.
I think with the direction we look to be going at the moment with transfers he will get back to his best soon enough.
I’d personally rather cash in if we could, but if we’re keeping him I suppose I can cling to the hope that last season was just a one off, and he rediscovers some kind of form. He shouldn’t really be completely washed up at his age. Plus the amount of young legs we have around him should somewhat mitigate that loss of a yard. And his experience should help those around him if his attitudes still right.
If his attitude is wrong, and he’s doing a Bale on us then this is a bit of a disaster.
If his attitude is wrong, and he’s doing a Bale on us then this is a bit of a disaster.
He certainly has to be a rotation option if he is going to stay. Used more strategically.
Guess the new team isn't as ruthless as we thought.
It's maybe more a case of the new management maybe thinking they can salvage those deals and have those assets produce on pitch if they can't be sold at the right price. Case is on hyper wages but it's only a year or two max, they can live with it as a white elephant legacy of the previous regime, perhaps. We're thin on CM so it would be stupid to discard at all costs the only actual specialist we have.
I think they'll try to move him and Sancho because of that, but maybe it won't happen this summer.
If there's a good offer for Casemiro by all means we should take it but that means getting two players (Ugarte / Amrabat / Rabiot ?). Also I fear an actual "good offer" accounting wise would have to be 30-40m.
Not much they can do if there is no interest in him or if he refuses to leave.
He must be something like 55-60m on the books for next two season in terms of PSR. It’s a huge chunk of the budget on someone who has been poor for well over a year now and was pretty pathetic last season.
Find it hard to believe we would turn down any deal that gets his wages off the books and is break even from a PSR perspective it’s starting to seem less likely that will materialise.
He obviously didn't like getting dropped for the cup final and suddenly had an injury.
So I'm hoping the prospect of him becoming a near permanent sub is enough to drive him to another club
So I'm hoping the prospect of him becoming a near permanent sub is enough to drive him to another club
I cannot endure another season of watching this waste of space pick up £300k a week to waddle round the pitch, constantly throwing himself to the floor because he can’t be bothered to get back or track a runner.
He had a very good couple of months in between a poor start and a terrible finish. His first season was exaggerated into something it wasn’t. Last season he then reached meme levels of awfulness. So in two seasons he’s managed a few good months of good form. He’s about as done as a former top player will ever be.
He had a very good couple of months in between a poor start and a terrible finish. His first season was exaggerated into something it wasn’t. Last season he then reached meme levels of awfulness. So in two seasons he’s managed a few good months of good form. He’s about as done as a former top player will ever be.
I have no doubt that little could be further from Casemiro's point of view.
Some somewhat bad news finally, you must be delighted, it’s your time to shine.
Hopefully he laid off the donuts and trained hard all summer to get back to been a good player
Hopefully it’s fake news.
If we’ve got to deal with Casemiro as a back up to Ugarte for a year before shifting him out and finding another back up next summer that’s fine. He can play cup games and the odd league game.
If the market for him just isn’t there we’ve got to be smart about handling squad turnover and picking/choosing what gets addressed this summer and what has to wait a year.
If the market for him just isn’t there we’ve got to be smart about handling squad turnover and picking/choosing what gets addressed this summer and what has to wait a year.
It should be £66.4m if my numbers are correct. £18.2m a year from wages so thats £36.4m and half of his transfer fee which is another £30m.
A lot people are money money money...
Case never chased money and. , we were bad since than Final against Saudis...
He will come back.
Money is not everything in life. I have every week proposal to go in Qatar, Sa ect... I am good at the job and I am born Muslim in Bosnia they are trowing money on me, but nah.
They look at my wife, who is catholic from Croatia like she is vampire.
Feck off you and your money.
Money is not everything.
Case never chased money and. , we were bad since than Final against Saudis...
He will come back.
Money is not everything in life. I have every week proposal to go in Qatar, Sa ect... I am good at the job and I am born Muslim in Bosnia they are trowing money on me, but nah.
They look at my wife, who is catholic from Croatia like she is vampire.
Feck off you and your money.
Money is not everything.
So he’d rather play at Burnley then? Becuase he’s not good enough to play at this highest level.
We played suicide tactic last year, no one would look good in that MF.
He got tired chasing all alone in first season , and when his form droped and Rashford too... We got baaaad. Really bad. 7-0 bad.
Good player in wrong formation.
Jesus people flip flop so quickly.
I still think Casemiro looks immense most of the time. Hard disagree with those saying to just sell to get him off the books. Great player, of the profile of player we need, wouldn't sell unless we get decent money
I still think Casemiro looks immense most of the time. Hard disagree with those saying to just sell to get him off the books. Great player, of the profile of player we need, wouldn't sell unless we get decent money
I already feel sorry for Ugarde if EtH still insist on that crazy formation.
Best case scenario is to sell him to the Saudis and get his wages of the books then some financial wiggle room to strengthen further. However, he is a top professional and winner so, provided his attitude is right and he doesn't undermine the manager, there is merit in having him around especially if we bring in a younger DM for him to rotate with and we manage him like how Fergie managed Rio.
He'd be the perfect foil to blood in a young player like Toby Collyer, start the youngster in Europa and League Cup games, Casemiro in the league and then, if the former settles well, swap them. If Case is playing not more than one game per week he can give us two seasons and within those two seasons you'd hope that, between Gore and Collyer, someone has stacked a claim for the role long term.
Ideally, funds permitting, we sign a younger DM like Zubimendi and use Case for the squad role. We still need two or three DMs in the squad.
Mainoo looked good in that midfield whereas Casmeiro was usually the worst player on the pitch.
7-0 was the previous season. Not sure what you’re on about really.
Thing with Case is he’s still quality.
But with a player in his age group, you need to manager their minutes. One of the things Sir Alex was great at.
Last season with all the injuries, he was playing 2 games a week and looking terrible.
We absolutely need to sign another DM who can share his minutes and ensure we use him in a squad role. Not play him every week, certainly not twice a week. Or even take him off after 60/70 mins in high intensity games.
Then we can see some quality from him.
He has the leadership qualities and pedigree that would be valuable in the squad.
But with a player in his age group, you need to manager their minutes. One of the things Sir Alex was great at.
Last season with all the injuries, he was playing 2 games a week and looking terrible.
We absolutely need to sign another DM who can share his minutes and ensure we use him in a squad role. Not play him every week, certainly not twice a week. Or even take him off after 60/70 mins in high intensity games.
Then we can see some quality from him.
He has the leadership qualities and pedigree that would be valuable in the squad.
If Casemiro is still starting games for United this season, we are toast. His absence was one of the major reasons we won the FA Cup final. He was finished two seasons ago when everyone on here kept deceving themselves he was the best DM in the world because of the odd goal here and there and he's beyond finished now. Get rid or sign a midfielder ahead of him in the pecking order and put him on the bench.
Wild not to sell him. Keeping would significantly undermine any good work we do this summer.
I think he's done. Him not playing in the FA cup final said it all.
I thought he clearly looked injured last season (hamstring) so I’ve not completely given up on him if he stays. But yeah we should be looking to move him on
Season's cooked if he is still starting. He can't play more than 45 minutes at a time. But his wages are too high for a player sitting on the bench. It is imperative he is moved on.
What a predictable transfer this has turned out in the end.
What a predictable transfer this has turned out in the end.
Casemiro could still do a decent job if used wisely and sparingly in games where we play 3 CBs
He could still do a decent job in a double pivot and in a possession-based team, and having his time managed. But that's clearly not what Ten Hag is going for. Casemiro has no place in his high-intensity, suicidal football. And he is also being paid starter wages. For that money, you could have Ugarte as a starter and Amrabat as backup.
He is in £350k a week - we can’t just leave him around playing sparingly - he has 2 years left on his contract - he is going to cost us £32m alone in wages if he stays.
That news about us telling the PIF that Bruno, Sancho and Casemiro won't be for sale seems to check out
He's being entrusted with the armband in preseason
He's being entrusted with the armband in preseason
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An important role to play as second fiddle to someone as average as Amrabat.