Cardiff City vs. Manchester United

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Could be a really testing period withing the next month or so, due to injuries and suspensions - particularly in midfield. Jones and Carrick are supposedly out to the start of December and end of December and Fellaini's suspended for the Leverkusen game. Leaves us with just Giggs, Anderson, Cleverley and Fellaini's for the upcoming league games...

Cardiff will be very resolute, organised and physical, so I don't think we should opt for too lightweight a team, particularly with their strengths at set-pieces and our inability to deal well with set-pieces or crosses, we could endure a bit of a torrid time in that respect. I think it'll be a very difficult and competitive game.

Still, we obviously have to set up right tactically and with the right personnel, but also rotate the squad accordingly with Bayer Leverkusen and Tottenham on the horizon, while also rewarding our form players with gametime.

With that in mind, I hope we see something along the lines of:

de Gea​
Smalling - Ferdinand - Evans - Evra​
Valencia - Fellaini - Cleverley - Januzaj​
Rooney​
van Persie​
Subs: Lindegaard, Vidic, Fabio, Giggs, Nani, Kagawa, Hernandez​
David de Gea in goal obviously picks itself, but given Cardiff's height and strength and Leverkusen, Tottenham and Everton all within the next weeks, I'd select Smalling over Rafael and give him a rest given his recent injury. Vidic is invaluable and I think we should save him for the Leverkusen and Spurs games, which leaves Rio and Evans as starters and Evra obviously nailed on.​
There's not exactly room for maneuvor with our midfield depleted and Anderson seemingly out of the picture, so some selections are purely by default. Fellaini I would assume is nailed on to start given his suspension in the Champions League and I'd opt for Cleverley given he is better defensively than either Giggs or Anderson. Valencia to start because of the opposition we are facing and Januzaj because he's been our star performer.​
Hopefully Rooney and van Persie can strike up a bit of momentum as a partnership now, but Rooney would have to drop deeper to support the midfield and hopefully show similar workrate to that of his game against Arsenal. Those two kind of picks itself.​
And then there isn't exactly a draft of options to choose from for the bench. Personally, I don't really want to see Buttner, Anderson or Young near the first team, so if we at least have other options I'd like to see them take a place on the bench. Fabio on the bench instead of Rafeal, because of his versatility in filling in at right back or left back if needed.​
With that team in mind for Cardiff, hopefully we would see our more technical players and a bit more pace in the team and especially in defence given Leverkusen's counter-attacking ability. The likes of Rafael, Vidic, Nani, Kagawa and possibly Hernandez in the team for that game.​
 
----------------------------De Gea---------------------

--Rafael------------Vidic-------J. Evans-------Evra--


------------Fletcher-----Cleverley---Ando-----------


------Januzaj---------Van Persie-------Rooney-------


So let me get this straight, now Fletcher is a better choice than Fellaini?
 
If Jones is out, then we have to try Fellaini and Cleverley as a midfield pairing. The rest of the team more or less picks itself.
 
After all that the team put into the victory over Arsenal it would be such a waste if we dropped point against Cardiff, for all that they have been a genuine threat to other leading cubs. An ugly 0-1 would be just fine.
 
----------------------------De Gea--------------------------------

Rafael------------Smalling-----------------Vidic---------------Evra

-----------------------------------Fellaini-------------------------
Valencia-------------------Kagawa--------------------------Januzaj

------------------Rooney-----------RVP----------------------------
 
I was pretty impressed with Cleverley against Germany. Obviously England were always up against a superior team, but again and again he was waiting those extra few seconds or taking a few more touches in order to keep the ball, rather than just passing backwards or blasting it away like a number of England's midfielder might have. Seemed to have had a word with himself about not being so flimsy in the tackle too. It's a shame he never seems to be able to do that in more than two games in a row.

But anyway, I'd be wanting him to start even if we had an actual choice in the matter.
 

De Gea

Rafael Smalling Evans Evra

Nani Fellaini Cleverley Januzaj

Rooney RVP​

With Kagawa, Chicha, Valencia and Jones all in the bench. They can start over Adnan, RVP, Nani and Smalling. If Rafael isn't available then I would love to see Fabio here but won't happen, so Smalling as a RB and Jones as CB.
 
De Gea
Rafa Evans Vidic Evra
Fellaini Cleverley
Nani Rooney Januzaj
Van Persie

Take one game at a time. If Vidic is fit, then he plays. It's a big week for Cleverley, too, who should start all three games. Nani and Adnan deserve a crack out wide after a few weeks off. Teams around us are dropping points this weekend. No fecking about.
 
Rafael seems to be in a lot of line-ups. Is he due back?
 
I don't buy all this atmosphere nonsense that the media are spouting about this one. Our players have massive experience playing in hostile atmospheres all around the world, they won't be bothered by this one. If we acquit ourselves properly in defending set pieces we should win comfortably.
 
**********DDG**********
*RAFA**VIDA**EVANS**EVRA*
********FELLAINI*********
******ROONEY**KAGS******
NANI***************ADNAN
**********RVP***********

If Vida is fit, he plays. Cardiff are a good set piece outfit.
Heid to sit and hold, allowing both Kags and Rooney to push on through the centre making a truly scary front 5.

But this will not happen, Will be a 4-4-2 with probably Clev and Heid in the middle, Tony right and Adnan/Kags out left. Usual fron 2.
 
I didn't even know Jill Phones was was injured... feck.

I think we'll see Fellaini and Giggs in the middle, which will be.... interesting.
 
It wouldn't surprise me if Hernandez started against Cardiff and we kept van Persie fresh for Leverkusen. But you can't ever predict this stuff.
 
Looking forward to Fellaini and Cleverley as a combo.

Cleverley might just be the ideal partner we have for him.

Would be a real bonus if he starts to come into some form now. Certainly needed!
 
I'm not sure if I would start Cleverley in this. Not because he doesn't deserve it but I've got the Leverkusen and Spurs game in mind. We've got 10 games from December 1st - January 1st. I really hope Carrick makes an early comeback.
 
It wouldn't surprise me if Hernandez started against Cardiff and we kept van Persie fresh for Leverkusen. But you can't ever predict this stuff.


I've had this thought also - I've put RVP in my line-up game entry to be safe, but went with other subs than Hernandez in an ultra sneaky tactical masterstroke/feck-up.
 
I'm not sure if I would start Cleverley in this. Not because he doesn't deserve it but I've got the Leverkusen and Spurs game in mind. We've got 10 games from December 1st - January 1st. I really hope Carrick makes an early comeback.

He's not played loads this season, and because of his light build he's not one we need to worry too much about fitness-wise. For me he should be starting all three games.
 
He's not played loads this season, and because of his light build he's not one we need to worry too much about fitness-wise. For me he should be starting all three games.

Yeah you're right but I wouldn't be surprised to see Giggs start this one.
 
Looking forward to this, it feels like we've been waiting ages for this match to come around.

Hopefully we can grab a win to keep our momentum going in to Christmas and the New Year.

Going for 3-1 United.
 
DDG​
Rafa/Fabio Evans Vidic Evra​
Fellaini Cleverley​
Nani Kagawa Januzaj​
Rooney​

That way you can take off any of the front four at any time for Hernandez (pushing Rooney back if it's one of the other three coming off.)
 
DDG​
Rafa/Fabio Evans Vidic Evra​
Fellaini Cleverley​
Nani Kagawa Januzaj​
Rooney​

That way you can take off any of the front four at any time for Hernandez (pushing Rooney back if it's one of the other three coming off.)


Have we seen Moyes use Rooney as the furthest striker as of yet?
 
I don't think so.

It's about fecking time, though. I still think that's Rooney's best position.

I'd like to see him there when Van Persie is out too. Bet Hernandez starts though, and scores!

Really think Hernandez and Kagawa are getting in each other's way as the 'next in line' after Rooney/VanPersie.
 
At the very start of the season it was Welbeck (playing well) behind Van Persie, then Rooney came back with great form and it was Rooney behind Van Persie. When RVP didn't play it was Rooney behind Hernandez and when Rooney didn't play in one CL game we tried 3 in the middle away from home.

Kagawa is still getting some game time on the left but maybe Moyes prefers one of Hernandez/Welbeck playing if Rooney/RVP aren't playing rather putting Kagawa behind the striker. I do remember SAF also playing RVP and Hernandez together a good amount of times. I suppose trying to keep Hernandez and Kagawa happy is difficult so maybe the best solution for both to get as much playing time as possible is Kagawa on the left and Hernandez up front when one of the two main strikers aren't playing. I suppose with Welbeck there is flexibility, he can play out wide but Hernandez can't or rarely does.

For those who are desperate for Kagawa to play behind the striker, at least when one of the two main strikers are playing... it is actually Hernandez who is in the way.

Fergus' Son said:
Really think Hernandez and Kagawa are getting in each other's way as the 'next in line' after Rooney/VanPersie.

Yep, like you said. Although I don't think Hernandez is in the way of Kagawa playing in general (left wing) he is in the way of Kagawa playing behind the striker.
 
If true that they're both out.

De Gea
Rafael--Smalling--Evans--Evra
Fellaini--Giggs
Januzaj--Rooney--Kagawa
Hernandez

Or Kagawa behind Rooney and Nani starting on the right - I would prefer this but I think Moyes will want to give Hernandez a game here.

Subs: Lindegaard, Ferdinand, Buttner, Cleverley, Nani, Valencia, Young(W.Keane hopefully)
 
If true that they're both out.

De Gea
Rafael--Smalling--Evans--Evra
Fellaini--Giggs
Januzaj--Rooney--Kagawa
Hernandez

Or Kagawa behind Rooney and Nani starting on the right - I would prefer this but I think Moyes will want to give Hernandez a game here.

Subs: Lindegaard, Ferdinand, Buttner, Cleverley, Nani, Valencia, Young(W.Keane hopefully)
I think you're right.I think he'll start Giggs today.He kinda hinted in the presser that he would.He should be rested and he will still create more than Cleverley.He's hit and miss these days buy a good Giggs performance should see us win.I think Nani will return today on the right with Adnan left.Rooney and Hernandez should start.I don't think Moyes would feel comfortable and confident enough to start without both Rooney and RvP.
 
just read this

VAN PERSIE AND VIDIC OUT.

Van Persie did not travel with the rest of his team-mates who flew to the Welsh capital on Saturday evening.

Vidic will not be risked by David Moyes ahead of Wednesday’s testing Champions League visit to Leverkusen.

Youngsters Will and Michael Keane, who between them have made just one Premier League appearance for the club, have been added to the matchday squad ahead of United’s first ever trip to the Cardiff City Stadium.

Source : Goal
 
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