A trophy for us all day every day. Ideally I'd rather our rivals won nothing but once we win something I couldn't give a damn.
Can a win be a loss? Poll | Hypothetical: United and Liverpool win, or Chelsea and Real Madrid win?
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Personally, I think you're missing out on half the fun of being a football fan if you don't have a team you despise, along with a team you love. I take joy in Utd's success and I also take joy in Liverpool's failure. Most seasons, that means I end up with a greater amount of joy than I'd get with your approach. Sadly, this is one of the rare seasons where I could end up with a negative joy value, if Liverpool win the CL. Utd winning the FA Cup isn't enough to balance that out that -joy, so both losing would be preferable to both winning.
I can't stand Liverpool but....
I would rather watch us win the FA cup. feck what Liverpool are doing tbh.
I would rather watch us win the FA cup. feck what Liverpool are doing tbh.
We can only hope that the absolutely disgust we all feel that City won the league and Liverpool could win the Champions League is also felt by everyone associated with Manchester United and next season we get the most almighty reaction. Starting with a monumental outlay in the summer, before and after the World Cup. Time to get ruthless.
I can't get my head around this...people realise that whether we win the FA Cup has no bearing on whether Liverpool win the Champions League, right?
It's such a pointless thing to have a preference on. I want us to win the FA Cup. I'll be annoyed for a long time after if we lose I expect. If Liverpool win the CL it'll probably annoy me for about 20 minutes...or until I changed the channel.
What would be really fecking funny is if Liverpool lost out on 4th due to concentrating on the CL (which is looking increasingly likely since they've actually been playing very poorly of late, and have already created a situation where Chelsea winning all their games puts them level on points), and the lost the CL final...which again isn't exactly in the realms of improbability.
It's such a pointless thing to have a preference on. I want us to win the FA Cup. I'll be annoyed for a long time after if we lose I expect. If Liverpool win the CL it'll probably annoy me for about 20 minutes...or until I changed the channel.
What would be really fecking funny is if Liverpool lost out on 4th due to concentrating on the CL (which is looking increasingly likely since they've actually been playing very poorly of late, and have already created a situation where Chelsea winning all their games puts them level on points), and the lost the CL final...which again isn't exactly in the realms of improbability.
Do you know how many Champions League's Liverpool have won? If you think the Liverpool fans will let you forget about that win 20 minutes after the game, you're on a different planet.
The only joy i take in Liverpool or any other club losing, is winding up my mates who support that club, or the normal level of bants between clubs. I wouldn't take it as far as wanting my own team to lose, just as long as they lose too.
I'll be support Madrid in the final, i don't want Liverpool to win, I do have that rivalry with them, but I think I draw the line at throwing away our own success, no matter how small, if it meant Liverpool would also lose. To me, that's just wierd and i wonder if it blurs the line between rivalry and hatred.
Then you don't know what you're missing. It feels great when your enemies fail.
If you don't want Liverpool to win, would you swap a Utd win v Brighton tomorrow to have them not win? Or even take a 1-0 Utd win instead of a 3-0 win if it meant Madrid won the final? I guess we all just have different levels of what we'd be willing to forego in order to see a rival not win one of two biggest titles available. Is there a correct place to draw the line?
What an embarrassing question. But football's so often about emotion rather than logic, and in all honesty I'd rather give up an FA cup than see Liverpool win another Champions, however cringeworthy that may be.
@Zlatattack You're right, there must be a line somewhere between rivalry and hatred, I'm afraid I crossed it somewhere in the 80s, sorry.
@Zlatattack You're right, there must be a line somewhere between rivalry and hatred, I'm afraid I crossed it somewhere in the 80s, sorry.
I do agree that people are missing out on half the fun of football without having teams you despise. It’s an extra intense feeling that sport can only really provide. Wouldn’t want it any other way.
This sounds brilliant! Would be hilarious to go from a season looking very successful to one that looks like one managed by Moyes!
Also you are wrong on Chelsea. If they win all their games they get to 75, Liverpool are currently 72.
Liverpools GD is way better. Chelsea have to win 3 games and Liverpool lose one and draw one. Or Chelsea win 2, draw 1 and Liverpool lose both.
Interestingly Liverpool play Chelsea so that would be one win to Chelsea and one loss to Liverpool if Chelsea win.
That leaves Liverpool needing to beat Brighton at home
Chelsea would need to beat Huddersfield home and Newcastle away.
It looks highly unlikely Liverpool will slip up, especially as they don't need to rest players as a week between Brighton and Real Madrid. Brighton might need the win to stay up, although they might already be safe.
Newcastle could however cause Chelsea problems and same principle as Brighton for Huddersfield probably needing a win.
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Are they going to come and knock at my door reminding me every night? Do I have an obligation to care what they think?
I imagine you would all find it quite funny if Liverpool fans were so wrapped up in United that they created a fictional scenario where they'd sacrifice their team winning a cap final, just so we could lose a completely different one.
Do think that this particular point has been lost somewhere along this thread
Well, this thread exists, so yes, clearly it has been.
I actually think it'd be so funny it's worth the risk of them getting to the final to create the possibility, because if they lose to Chelsea in the League I think Chelsea will end up 4th, and the way both teams are playing Chelsea could well beat them...and they are definitely more than capable of losing to Real Madrid.
There's absolutely no way you can hide from Liverpool's 6th CL win and you know it, regardless of who comes knocking at your door.
I think you're missing the point of the thread. It's not meant to be rational, it's simply asking if we would sacrifice the FA cup if it meant Liverpool didn't win the CL. I'm sure they wouldn't sacrifice a CL to stop us winning the FA cup but they would certainly say the same if the roles were reversed.
As for the original question. I'd choose FA Cup win all day long. I hate Liverpool, but not as much as I love United and trophies make a big difference both to personal enjoyment and momentum for the team.
It's up to people personally. I re-read my OP and it does come across as judgemental - more than i intended it to be. A 1-0 win instead of a 3-0 as long as Real Madrid win in the final - that's fine by me! For me, in that scenario we win twice...lol
I don't want us as a community to come across as people who would cut their nose to spite their face. That loss to Sevilla was the worst match i've ever seen them play and it will annoy me whenever i remember it, because i honestly think we chould have been in the CL final right now.
I don't give a crap how others do to be honest. Sure I don't like Liverpool and I don't want them to do well, but them winning or loosing has no bearing on how I want us to do. I wouldn't sacrifice lifting a trophy for any other result.
It was a question not based in reality, I can understand that part, although this thread on another forum (non-United) would give me great pleasure if I'm honest. The problem is that people started to justify wishing United to win which is absurd and the value of FA Cup is being absolutely diminished which is another factor I don't like.
Easily the second option.
I would rather win a trophy.
So I've come to understand this better as a lot of posters have pointed out, emotion over reason and so forth. But there's another aspect of the former:
Liverpool not getting their 6 th cup is, emotionally, the easy way out. It is how complacency festers and greatness gives way to mediocrity. Ask any perennial winner if they would rather lose than see a competitor win and they'll likely point out their inner focus and motivation, which is driven by and not hampered when another is more successful than them.
Go back a few years and ask Sir Alex, ask the same fans if they would rather Liverpool lose the CL if it meant United losing the league title. Back before we matched the 18 of course.
How is one scenario really any different than the other? Some will cite the 'importance' of the said trophies but then again I see the debate here whether the league is more important than the CL.
You want United to be a winning mentality team? Then head and heart should be on United winning, not others losing. Others winning should fire you up to want to win even more.
Even still, City winning the league and Liverpool winning the CL is too much for one season. Bearing in mind we could lose the FA cup final on top of that scenario. The vitriol on here alone will be unbearable.
Again, I fully accept some people prefer the FA Cup to Madrid 3-peat. That’s fair enough, even if the majority disagree.I didn't think I had to say it, because I'm a United fan I feel that should be obvious. United matches are the ones I care about the most.
We sold Ronaldo, Beckham, Van Nistelrooy & Heinze to Real Madrid for a total of around £120m... they earned half of that back selling us Di Maria, and have actively tried to unsettle De Gea to the point they almost stole him too. How you could support that is beyond me, and it's everything that's wrong with politics. They are at best a lesser evil. Combine that with Conte beating us in the cup final... awesome
I may be in the minority here, but I want United to win.
What I was getting at is the CL final in isolation. No United fan should want anything but a Madrid win.
Why mod hasn't banned those who voted for #1
You are first, uno and for most a MU supporter, so what MU win and I repeat what MU win will only concern us.
Our biggest rival, closest rival, or who ever timbaktu will have nothing to do with us.
If we are strong, powerful, we will win everything there is to win. we do not need to bother about others.
If we cannot do that, that means we are weak, not strong enough, not good enough or we are not there yet. The priority will be to make us strong, strengthen our squad or what ever mean to be the top team again. Then we beat the shit out of them. No envy, sour grape feeling is needed.
We need to grow, improve and be strong again.
I don't want Liverpool to win, and I don't want them to win more than I don't want Real Madrid to win. However, the very nature of this thread links the Champions League final with the result of the FA Cup, so I'm not sure how I was supposed to know you were referring to the Champions League final in isolation. What you did was say that I wasn't a United fan because I valued our own success over the failure of any other team. I think we both know that doesn't actually make sense. If you'd said "You're not really a Manchester United fan if you also support Liverpool" I'd have agreed with you. So, let's get back to our own lives and hope Chelsea, Liverpool, and Real Madrid all lose somehow, and United win the cup.
Someone's went for something similar, but the real poll question is:
Would you rather next year Liverpool won the 7th in Europe and Manchester United the 21st league, or would you rather both clubs won nothing?
Ties with which cup is more important, too.
Would you rather next year Liverpool won the 7th in Europe and Manchester United the 21st league, or would you rather both clubs won nothing?
Ties with which cup is more important, too.
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Let’s not. Chelsea to win all their remaining league games and lose at Wembley, Real Madrid to win in Kiev, and Liverpool to draw their final league game.
Saw this on reddit and for once it's a valid question imo. What would you rather be the outcome of the FA Cup and CL finals if these were the only possibilities (yes, we would all love United and Real Madrid but don't be boring).
On one hand, United winning a trophy is always big for us, and the FA Cup is still one of the "bigger" trophies. On the other hand, Liverpool winning the CL would be pretty much a nightmare scenario in so many ways.
I'm on the fence about it personally. Maybe leaning towards Chelsea and Madrid because winning the FA Cup wouldnt really change much in the grand scheme of things, while Liverpool winning the CL would. I get the whole "love United more than hate liverpool" and I totally agree, but the competitions being considered close that gap imo.
On one hand, United winning a trophy is always big for us, and the FA Cup is still one of the "bigger" trophies. On the other hand, Liverpool winning the CL would be pretty much a nightmare scenario in so many ways.
I'm on the fence about it personally. Maybe leaning towards Chelsea and Madrid because winning the FA Cup wouldnt really change much in the grand scheme of things, while Liverpool winning the CL would. I get the whole "love United more than hate liverpool" and I totally agree, but the competitions being considered close that gap imo.
Already been done. Chelsea and Real Madrid for me, though its' lucky they aren't connected.
United are the most important, so a trophy for us trumps anything else here.
Would it be the same if it was the league cup we were going for and Liverpool still the CL?
It's basically another way of asking if you love United more than you hate Liverpool
Not really. The magnitude of the competitions are wildly different and that definitely has an impact. Nobody would rather win the community shield over Liverpool winning the CL. So it's kinda about where you place the FA Cup in terms of importance when we won it with LVG 2 years ago and finished 2nd this season already (probably more important out of the 2).
How can it be a valid question if it's hypothetical??
If your a grown adult and you've picked the Chelsea & Madrid option then christ I feel sorry for you.
You know what he means.
For me, i don't want liverpool winning the CL. I still want us be the best perfoming English club in that area so extending that target is not a good thing.
I dont see why we cant have best of both worlds
Yeah honestly, who would pick the Chelsea/Madrid option.
United winning is more important than whatever Liverpool do. They are in the final, deserve to be there, fair play to them if they overcome Madrid and win.
But, picking an option other than United winning, just cos you cant bare Liverpool to win is sad
United winning is more important than whatever Liverpool do. They are in the final, deserve to be there, fair play to them if they overcome Madrid and win.
But, picking an option other than United winning, just cos you cant bare Liverpool to win is sad