Bruno Fernandes Out?

ThierryHenry14 said:
In redcafe, man/player management doesn't exist.
If a player is deemed not good enough, he needs to accept pay cut without compensation and leave the club.
If a player is close to 30 and want to be rewarded with a better contract based on his performance, nope because he is deemed to decline in the next few years so no salary increase.

City renewed/extended KDB's contract in 2021, rumored to be £340,000 per week, when he was exactly 30 years old, and Odegaard is making over £280,000 per week.
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The substantial difference being that Fernandes has 2 years + club option of an additional year on his current contract. He has 3 years to go. I can understand why the club aren’t rushing to extend his contract.

We have a fair few players leaving the club this summer (some being very high earners) so I have no doubt it’s something that will get picked up. There’s just some fair rationale as to why it shouldn’t be a pressing priority. Don’t really understand the obtuse nature of the start of your post.
 
ThierryHenry14 said:
In redcafe, man/player management doesn't exist.
If a player is deemed not good enough, he needs to accept pay cut without compensation and leave the club.
If a player is close to 30 and want to be rewarded with a better contract based on his performance, nope because he is deemed to decline in the next few years so no salary increase.

City renewed/extended KDB's contract in 2021, rumored to be £340,000 per week, when he was exactly 30 years old, and Odegaard is making over £280,000 per week.
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He ended the season well but his performances fell well short of the standard for the majority of the year.

We have a history of overpaying (ageing) players and struggling to shift them as a direct result, and we already doubled Fernandes' money in similar circumstances just before Ten Hag came in. The club are in a stronger position than Fernandes is regarding his contract (and actually were before he signed his previous extension with improved terms as well).

Fernandes already cashed in on the club's goodwill 2 years ago. Doing the same again isn't tantamount to good man management.
 
Bruno is crucial but we’re building a team for the next 5 years. Anything upwards of £70m we should be accepting.
 
Giving him a new 300k a week sort of contract would be the Woodward thing to do. He still has years to run on his current one and we're trying to move away from the massive contract situations. If he doesn't get what he want, he should be free to leave as long as an offer arrives at the clubs valuation. He's been good for us but he's not irreplaceable.
 
If true, that hints at a huge fee.

United shouldn’t sell him though. The club needs good senior players to help steer the ship over the next few seasons.
 
I'd actually let him go.

Will be 30 shortly into the season and chasing his last big contract.
I actually like Bruno and think he's a top player, but he definitely has his weaknesses which I think does stunt a lot of United attacks, even if he's our most productive player.
With how this FFP stuff works, selling him for a potential daft amount, could open so many doors for us.

His sale could result in being happier to sell some of our other players at the lower end of their values, which could mean a bigger and quicker rebuild.
 
If we sell him we'll be going to a 4123 or a 433, can't imagine we'll continue with a #10

Mainoo------Neves
---------Ugarte

Doubt we'll sell though, would likely require 90-100m.
 
Yeah if we get an offer of 100 mill + for him we will be mad to turn it down.

New recruitment team in now can start to look for some young creative midfielders our there as a replacement.
 
His value to this team far exceeds the value we'd get from a Saudi club, I wouldn't sell him unless he expressly requested it.
 
My only gripe with Bruno is I wish he was more disciplined and conservative with the ball at times. Some of those risky throughballs going straight back to the opposition annoyed me at times last season.

It would take an offer of at least £100m to seriously consider it.
 
At 30 if someone offers us 100m+ bite their hand off. He's not the same level but it would make a mount shaped space in the team. 100m could be spent on more pressing areas.

... at least for now
 
I love him but if we could possibly cash in big time on him we should take it I reckon.

He's basically undropable and so creates a pickle in how to build towards a more dominant middle and shifting him further u
To the sides or further downnullifies some of what makes him so effective.

It's risky but if we could use the funds to bring in a more suitable alternative I'd say it's a risk worth taking.
 
If it gave us the funds to buy a couple more players such as Eze or Neves, Frimpong would it be a bad thing?
 
AkaAkuma said:
If it gave us the funds to buy a couple more players such as Eze or Neves, Frimpong would it be a bad thing?
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Selling Bruno probably only gets you half a Neves, or maybe one of the others, and none of them are replacing his impact on the team.
 
You would have to make sure you had an instant replacement if you accepted a bid for your best player. £100 million isnt much if you lose all the assists and goals that nobody else seems to give to the side.
 
If 80-100m is offered, INEOS will sell and honestly, as much as I love Bruno, I wouldn't be mad at that. We can finally change the structure of the team and spread creativity across the middle and still maintain shape. Play a 4-3-3 with two actual CMs and a DM. The two CMs take turns going forward leaving us with enough cover against transitions. With that all said, I don't mind Bruno staying at all but wouldn't mind having more solidity in the middle.
 
If the Saudis were to offer £150 million who on here would take it if they were Ratcliffe and co ? I’ve read before that the Saudis have to pay all transfer fees in one go so £150 million would get us Neves and Ugarte and maybe transition into a 4-3-3/4-1-2-3.
 
large offer the club would be correct to let him go so long as there's replacements for his position and not a singular player to try and replicate his influence.

Let Bruno go and bring in someone like Eze with another younger player who can drop deeper in the midfield, it's decent business.

Irrespective a player of Bruno's quality will have a detrimental impact but given the economics involved there's no other asset in the team and of an older age profile who will command a very competitive fee.
 
He’s playing some of his very best football at the moment. We also need to ensure not everyone in the squad is 21 (and that those who are older are not useless and irrelevant).

I’d be open to a big sale, but only for the right reasons. Any sale needs to be tied to a vision and based upon wanting different qualities and having a proper idea on where the team is going.
 
Judas said:
It would need to be an insane offer. We create bugger all as it is without losing him, no matter if his form was spotty last season.
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We are also set up in a way that we are wholly reliant upon our #10. I don't think our chance creation is solely dependent upon having a super efficient #10, it could also improve by having a much more balanced XI with regards to the style of play Erik wants.

Towards the latter part of this season he really was exceptional though and his work rate is exquisite.

No Saudi rumours for Casemiro, or even Eriksen?
 
I’d like us to keep him another year personally given the amount of work that needs doing, I expect the Saudi interest will still be there next summer.

My dream would be Arda Guler has another season of limited minutes, and Madrid set their sights on bringing Xabi and Wirtz over.

We sell Bruno for £70-80m and manage to get Guler for £65m or so.
 
Crazy how easy some fans would let go of him, a fee isn't everything. He's our most creative player, big goal threat, a great role model for kids, my nephew adores him. If an offer came in at £100m I'm not certain we could replace what he gives us.
 
This deal would be too insanely expensive to have a y chance of happening IMO. The club won't sell her captain and one of the best chance creators in the league for less than a 100mil and the salary offer would have to be absolutely bonkers fo make Bruno consider such a move himself.
 
BIG NO for me. It would take Musiala or Wirtz as a replacement for me to be "okay" with selling him. These Neves/Güler replacement suggestions are absolutely irresponsible regarding the short term squad strenght. (although these two will be great in the future, no doubt)
 
He's a fan favourite , so any sale would not be universally popular .

That said , for a big fee , I feel t's the right move . You don't replace Bruno with another Bruno , there isn't one .

You move the focus away from it . Looking at ten hags ajax, ziyech was the guy closest to Bruno as their creator . He played more of a wide fixed position according to his heatmaps .

I think Olise if available is a big upgrade on ziyech . We can only afford these players if we sell .

It's a tough call , but I'd do it .
 
Definitely not for sale except for a ridiculous fee. I’m talking 125m plus. At that price range you take the long term view and use the money to rebuild the squad with young players. Everyone has a price. I just don’t think anyone would come close to reaching what we should be demanding for Bruno.
 
Bruno won’t play in Saudi, he would refuse. He wants to play at the highest level he can and he’s clearly not a mercenary. I really feel her underrated and misunderstood by United fans. We’re privileged to have him.
 
If he goes closer to 100m then that would be a great business.

He is no longer Bruno of 3 years back. If we want to control the midfield then Bruno is not the answer. Better shake hands now and say goodbye if good offer comes.
 
I don’t think people understand how good he is. You would need to get two absolutely quality players for that 100 million to make it worthwhile and I am not sure they are out there.

One of, if not the best, chance creator in Europe according to the numbers and an engine which means he could go to 34-35 without too much issue.

Who are people planning to replace him with? I just don’t see it.
 
I always thought selling one of the big hitters (Rashford or him for over 80m) and Casemiro to Saudi (~40m) is necessary for us to have a proper rebuild. We have pissed down a lot of money over the last eleven years and balancing the books is a prudent way to go: a summer where our net spend is not more than 50m-75m but we are still able to improve the team.

However, I am still unsure what style of play ETH wants to adopt with us. The second season was completely different from the first. If we want to continue on the same path as last season where he said he wants to make us the best transition team, then I don't think we'll find many players better than Bruno for the number 10 position. He still has some football left in him and we don't need to sell him immediately.

If we want a style of play with more control in possession & with a better build-up, then I can understand cashing in on him while he still has good value. I am sure if he is willing to go to Saudi a team from there will stump up good money for him.

Let's see. With all these people that INEOS have got in we are sure to have an interesting window. I think there will be a few surprises. One or two purchases and sales out of the left field.
 
Very very very hard, but i'd let him go if we could get an offer that cant turn down (talking about 150m for me). Use the fund and shape MF into a more balance because i always have this feeling that our midfield is not balanced enough and not control enough. It just that his best attribute is also not suitable for our midfield to have if we want more control.
 
daba said:
I’d like us to keep him another year personally given the amount of work that needs doing, I expect the Saudi interest will still be there next summer.

My dream would be Arda Guler has another season of limited minutes, and Madrid set their sights on bringing Xabi and Wirtz over.

We sell Bruno for £70-80m and manage to get Guler for £65m or so.
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Guler would be an amazing signing. He has everything in his locker to become an elite no10.

Bruno is a great player, just not suited to ETH style of controlling possession football. Then again has ETH abandoned that style at Utd?

I can't see anyone coming in for Bruno from top European clubs. Not because he isn't good enough, more of a case of financials, squad plans etc. £65-£70mil as it was discussed last week by Portuguese journalists as to his market value is alot of money not including his wages and signing on fee.

Madrid don't need him, Barcelona can't afford anyone. PSG are going in a controlled possession style with Enrique. None of the Italian clubs can afford him. Bayern have musiala and eventually wirtz. So it's stay at Utd or go to Saudi and it's too early for the latter.
 
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Maluco said:
I don’t think people understand how good he is. You would need to get two absolutely quality players for that 100 million to make it worthwhile and I am not sure they are out there.

One of, if not the best, chance creator in Europe according to the numbers and an engine which means he could go to 34-35 without too much issue.

Who are people planning to replace him with? I just don’t see it.
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He's a top top player and probably the only player over the last 5 seasons who was good for most parts, but I'm not sure if he's suited to our system. In City, he'll have 50 assists a season. If someone bids 80m, we should take it IMO.
 
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