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Bruno Fernandes Out?
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It's easier said than done shipping off the weakest players though. Do you think Smalling was our worst defender at the time he left, or purely one of the few that actually teams wanted? You can't create a market for a player out of nowhere.
This isn't me saying we should sell Bruno anyway, I don't think we should, as I've said countless times, the offer would have to be insane, legitimately impossible to turn down levels. He would be very difficult to replace right now.
No it looks like his agent is shopping him about.
He wants a new deal. We don’t look like we want to give him one as he has 2+1 years left and is pretty much 30.
Something has to give. I think he might go.
I would do a young SAF ie by telling him to back his talk with an actual 100m bid
Any idea of what this rumoured bid is or is everyone just coming to the conclusion that it'll be over 80 million ?
They haven't been doing Bruno's job further up the pitch, because they had different roles with different responsibilities, and with a different set of skills. That would be like saying Trent-Alexander Arnold and Andy Robertson for Liverpool are doing Bruno's role because they are two out of the five players that are responsible for the attacking threat. They are not. They are fullbacks that provide creativity, but they are not the same role, and thus shouldn't be considered so. Having creative players all over the pitch is ideal, but it doesn't convert them into a specific role on the pitch (in this case, attacking midfielder).
Let's say we get in De Ligt, Ugarte, Zirkzee, and Kvaratskhelia and a decent CM next window, why would that not work for you? Remember, INEOS are here long term. Our team aren't going to be fixed in one season, and we're very likely not going to compete for several years. Why would the #8 we sign need to have Bruno levels of creativity? Who is that midfielder for Real Madrid, Barcelona, Liverpool or PSG to name a few top clubs? No midfielder in the world creates as many chances as Bruno except De Bruyne, so that's not going to happen. Even teams that do play 4-2-3-1 like us as in Bayern München and Bayer Leverkusen play with a 10 that don't even create half of Bruno's chances in the league, yet they are better teams.
Why would we need to upgrade all 3 of our front line for a 4-3-3 to work? We are fairly close to playing it now. It's just a formation, mate. No need to make it sound like we need some magic players, like creating chances in football is reserved only for the highest of footballing deities.
I agree with you on your last paragraph. Replacing Bruno is not a priority, and isn't what this is about. It's just about realising that a team does not need an attacking midfielder (a 10) to be responsible for creating chances. Most top teams don't even have a player like him, and are doing great. Yes, they have better attackers than us, but that's the whole point. Getting better attackers, and not persisting with the ones we have. I think Garnacho has the potential to be great, particularly on the right, and so does Højlund, but upgrading the left wing is absolutely crucial. It would make a massive difference for us having another winger that can both score and provide. Bruno isn't going to be here for many years from now, so what do we do when he is not here? What do you think will happen if we can't find a midfielder that is as creative as Bruno?
erm… probably it’s the Ballon D’Or favourite, Jude Bellingham?
and for City it’s KDB, and a 50 goal /season striker.
Liverpool have a 30 goal /season winger and have come nowhere near the league since losing Mane; because relying on one wing and an inconsistent striker won’t cut it. We have no wingers that will consistently hit Salah’s numbers, and a rookie striker.
Bayern have Müller in Bruno’s position and a 50 goal /season striker.
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I'm not talking about that, the Saudi source the day before...Oh aye, cause “TeamTalk”
At his age he’s not the player to build a future attack around.
We need to think in terms of the next 2-3 years.
I’d sell without worrying too much about it
We need to think in terms of the next 2-3 years.
I’d sell without worrying too much about it
I’ll be gutted if anything comes of that.
Reminds me of the old Teletext days.Oh aye, cause “TeamTalk”
Wouldn't sell Bruno for any amount of money. No matter who we replace him with we'd be significantly weaker.
That's not necessarily true. Statistically we may not be replacing him with a player that can match his output but as a team we could be more solid and create and score more. The burden of replacing his output will be spread across multiple players. With that being said, I have no qualms with him staying, I like Bruno but he's not irreplaceable nor his he that good we'd be so much weaker because of him leaving.
agreed
Only way I'd be okay with this if we some how end up signing Wirtz.
I completely disagree. He's one of the most creative players in the world and as usual people massively overestimate how many elite players there actually are in football. We'd be going backwards and be significantly weaker imo.
How many teams have a player of Brunos type in their team? How many of those teams produce more attacking wise? Theres your answer. The whinging about where we would be without him gets a bit creepy at this point. I mean, we all know that he is one of very few players in our squad who at least contribute a bit of keeping us a relevant team. But look where it got us. We ended on the 8th place. What do you think would happen, if he would go? End up even lower? If yes - surely not just because of Bruno.
Over the years we've tried to shop a lot of players who've told us to do one. Last summer we were willing to sell Maguire and McTominay, neither of whom wanted to go.
Doesn't matter if we accept the offer from Saudi, if Bruno doesn't want to go he won't. I doubt, at 30 years old, Bruno wants to to Saudi. He probably thinks he can do that in a few years time.
My concerns with rumours like this is not that Bruno will go to Saudi. Its that Bruno will take this as a serious greenlight to force a way out to a club he actually wants to join, a club that won't pay anywhere near what a Saudi club might. Similarly to how Ashley Young forced his way out. Would be a sad end to his United career.
If we lose Fernandes, we lose all of our remaining creativity.
Yes, I think that would be quite possible
It is a possibility. But it is also a possibility with him in the team. As the 8th place suggests. I personally don't get it. What value is in a 5th or 4th place finish next year when its still clear we aren't moving forward as a team?* Some of you guys are so adamant with pointing out that Bruno is in league of his own with KDB. Means theres just one team out there having a player in that position of that calibre. Yet 10 teams JUST IN OUR league have a more productive attack than we do. So to any sane person, there has to be the conclusion that such a player isn't the be all and end all in terms of productivity. It is just as short-sighted as talking about "who can we bring in that replaces Brunos numbers" - we have Brunos numbers since 5 years and they haven't made us a great team. So whether he stays or leaves - we still have to get better as a team and selling him for a good amount could enable to bring in 2 or maybe 3 players with the potential of becoming fantastic in 2 to 4 years. As I said - I really don't get how some of you are so stuck looking at just one season ahead. This thinking got us Maguire, Varane, Casemiro, Ronaldo, maybe even Antony - "the missing piece" to getting competetive, worked wonderful so far
edit: I obviously don't say that Bruno himself is hindering this development. We could develop with him in the team. But without the possible funds, it is more difficult to bring in more players that are expected to peak in 2 or 3 years.
If we sell Bruno (and even if we don't), it would be nice to know that we're at least a little bit interested in Florian Wirtz - clearly one of the best midfielders around at the moment. But no, we'll aim for Donny Mk II... or no one at all
I don't think we could afford him.
One of those players you need to break the bank for... and adjust other spending. But then I said that about Kane...
But we need multiple positions. I guess if we got a good price for Bruno we could.
well, if we don't get a good price then this lot will prove themselves no better than the last muppets. My take is with the presumption of big money. Otherwise, no can't see how we''d do it. I'd sell Bruno and Rashford to get him... plus Sancho and Mason, neither of whom are coming back clearly
I would agree with you tbh.
he's not going anywhere, no chance
Gimme £150m and it’s on.
Earmarked by Madrid as a replacement for mordric in summer of 2025.
He will attract a lot of interest from the elite clubs if he leaves Leverkusen.
Personally I'd like Arda Guler (if we sold Bruno). Fits in with the age range INEOS want and may not get the required game time at Madrid like odengaard didn't get.
Guler is going to become a proper elite no10. You could see what a special talent he is at the euros.