I mean If they take both bruno and casemiro for 230 mill we'd be remiss not to accept.
Bruno Fernandes Out?
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I mean If they take both bruno and casemiro for 230 mill we'd be remiss not to accept.
He’s my favourite too. I’d keep him. Doubt he’d wanna go anyway. He loves our club and seems like someone that would like to continue in Europe in the biggest league and play against the best teams. He’s the only world class player we have in the squad. Build a team around him and we’ll look miles better. He gets the numbers and creates a shed load of chances.
I’d keep him one more season they’ll be back next year with the same money or if e wants crazy money sell him?
130 mil? Blimey, we can buy another Mount, Malacia and Onana for that. Deal.
Kidding aside, some fans really want to sell our best player? Madness.
Kidding aside, some fans really want to sell our best player? Madness.
Caught offside just make things up. I thought they were banned on Redcafe?
I’d be gutted to lose Bruno. Absolutely gutted. But you can’t turn down 130m for a player who will turn 30 a month into the new season If he stays injury free (big if), we have a ready made replacement (albeit a different type of player) in Mount; and the money could be used to strengthen so many areas of the squad. We could really go big on the spine of the team, and RW with that money. Along with our existing budget, we’d be able to bring in a top class CB, MF, and RW. Plus a rotational striker. Something like Silva/Yoro, Neves, Olise, Sesko.
Again, I don’t want to sell him, at all, but at 130m, one has to seriously think about it.
A midfield three of Mainoo, Neves, and Mount has a lot of work rate and technical ability. Plus you add someone like Fofana or Onana to increase your options……
It’s a painful one. He’s such a great player, never injured, and drives us forward. But at that price, and his age, you have to take it. Reluctantly.
I don’t think it’ll actually happen mind you. I suspect there’s not a lot of substance to this rumour. If there is substance I would imagine them offering something more reasonable like 70-80m, which I wouldn’t take. It would have to be a nine figure amount to lose such a marquee figure. But at some point, the head has to rule the heart, and despite my belief that you don’t get better by selling your best players, one has to recognise that he will become a diminishing asset in the next 2-3 years, and at silly money his sale can finance a significant upgrade of the squad.
Again, I don’t want to sell him, at all, but at 130m, one has to seriously think about it.
A midfield three of Mainoo, Neves, and Mount has a lot of work rate and technical ability. Plus you add someone like Fofana or Onana to increase your options……
It’s a painful one. He’s such a great player, never injured, and drives us forward. But at that price, and his age, you have to take it. Reluctantly.
I don’t think it’ll actually happen mind you. I suspect there’s not a lot of substance to this rumour. If there is substance I would imagine them offering something more reasonable like 70-80m, which I wouldn’t take. It would have to be a nine figure amount to lose such a marquee figure. But at some point, the head has to rule the heart, and despite my belief that you don’t get better by selling your best players, one has to recognise that he will become a diminishing asset in the next 2-3 years, and at silly money his sale can finance a significant upgrade of the squad.
Why would Bruno go to Saudi now? Doesn’t make sense
Sorry for the late reply, was held up on work.
Romufc, I think we are going round in circles.
Bruno Fernandes is the epitome of Current Man United team. He's the captain. He plays the most matches, he takes penalties, he's the 'most creative player', probably you dont want to accept it but HOW WE PLAY IS BREAD AND BUTTER, Bruno Fernandes. First you need to accept this. From there everything else will fall into place why some things happen. This current football is what has brought immeasurable pain and anguish to us fans.
About People above..
Ed Woodward left in Feb 2022. Technically. It was announced that time. Since 2022, we've had ETH as a manager yet we have scored 115 goals in a season. City scored 90+ goals this season.
So Ed Woodward can't be blamed on our current problems for sure.
Richard Arnold already left, United have gone to a 60 point a season
We are in 2024. 2 years apart. Yet we have struggled in goals and leaking goals. Our GD in 2 years is - 1 and 0
Yep, ETH has endured a - 1 GD in his 2 seasons as United manager, cumulatively.
Glazers have given out football control, same season we have lost record number of games.
I tell you, in all humbleness, even if we buy a new stadium tomorrow and play the same way we play we will not achieve even 70 points.
Our problem is we don't have a sustainable playing style. It's very easy to see and identify.
ETH has been unable to achieve it. Partly because of playing transition football.
Ineos are not foolish people, the indecisiveness regarding ETH future is absolutely warranted and genuine. If ETH was backed and believed in, why talk about his future yet it's the status quo. It means even the higher powers can see how unsustainable our club is.
I said it in June 2023, go to ETH thread. And I quote it again
"in 18 months (from that time) either ETH or Bruno leaves but both won't be here" not because I am a prophet or future reader but because it's extremely easy to see how we play is not sustainable in the long run. And it was even before Ratcliffe was confirmed as Co-owner.
Again I say it I know people will call me names, but I am 100% I will be vindicated
ETH or Bruno won't be here in the next 6 months, and if they will be here by end of January 2025, our pain and anguish as fans will be double of what we've endured in the last 12 months.
Pounds, a million of them every week plus playing with Christian, Mane and more likely Casemiro. He is turning 30 in a few weeks, we are not winning or coming into contention for the major titles anytime soon and a five year £250m deal will change his life forever.
If they came in with such an offer I'd take it and go straight to Palace for Eze and Olise plus possibly offer then Antony in a buy one and get two promotion.
Agreed. The option will still be there for him in three or four years time. By all accounts his agent is looking to get him to a top European club if he leaves United. Bruno seems to want to win the big trophies. Even if INEOS accepts a bid from Saudi I don't think Bruno will go for it.
No chance we're getting offered £130m.
Also makes no sense selling one of our only players who has a high work rate, constantly presses and is barely injured.
Also makes no sense selling one of our only players who has a high work rate, constantly presses and is barely injured.
It would be stupid to sell him even for crazy money. He is our best player, captain with passion, no injuries, cray stats. There is no guarantee that the money would be spend well. We could easily end up with another Mount, Sancho or God help us Antony.
Probably hitting his peak so would be a key decision to make. However 29, no resale value if we give him a new contract. I would sell him and use the money to build a new midfield.
Will be interesting to see the outcome. Plug
The holes and sale the deadwood first though.
Will be interesting to see the outcome. Plug
The holes and sale the deadwood first though.
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To go along with your analogy - I’d rather have an amazingly baked cake than a shit cake with icing papering over how bad the actual cake is.
Not saying selling Bruno is my preferred
choice, but I do see an upside to cashing in on him if he’s actually just angling for a new deal.
He wouldn’t
The 4-0 stuffing clearly hasn't sunk into a lot of heads yet. Replace Bruno with anyone else and we serve Pep his first domestic cup loss in England just as easy as we did a fortnight ago. Obviously.
There's so many players in world football who can do what Bruno did this season: No look assist against City, halfway line goal against Liverpool. Most chances created two seasons running.
If we sell him we can replace what he brings for two bob and a bag of crisps. Dunno why we'd even hesitate.
Good god you'd think we are talking about selling Messi after just winning the Treble.
130m for a 30 year old on a team coming off of an 8th placed finish in the league with gaping squad holes is good business. Same reason Liverpool sold Coutinho when everyone adored him there.
Just for the record: I am fed up with the pass completion percentage as well... because it was never the point it has become now. People were upset with him being reckless when it wasn't needed.
That would be so great. Finally you'd have something positive to say about him1.3 mill per week
Maybe at this point the two of you should exchange phone numbers instead of "contributing" i.e. misrepresenting the majority of opposite position in two Bruno threads. We got it, you wouldn't sell him.
Lets hope the Saudi rumours are true. Would be great if we could benefit from that glitch as long as it is there. I am mostly talking about Casemiro here, really doubt that such amounts are in the air. I'd rather see him at Bayern to be honest. In Bundesliga he could do really well for his individual numbers.
In reality every player is for sale if the price is right.
Bruno is a quality player and has a good number of years still on his contract. Any offer would have to be substantial so there isn’t much to get overly fussed about.
Bruno is a quality player and has a good number of years still on his contract. Any offer would have to be substantial so there isn’t much to get overly fussed about.
He wouldn't start for Man City or Arsenal
I guess I'm in the minority who would take the deal for the right price. I like Bruno and have his name on the last kit I bought a couple years ago, but I believe I have seen the limit of what a Rashford/Bruno combo can do and wouldn't mind rolling the dice in hope of a more enjoyable style of football that can challenge for higher honours. That said, Mount ain't it.
We are not going to get £130m for Bruno.
We couldn't force Maguire and McTominay to go to West Ham. What makes you believe we can make Bruno go to Saudi Arabia if he doesn't want to go?
His agent is talking to big European clubs. They may well make a move but they won't be offering anything close to the kind of numbers you're reading from Caught Offside. If we're lucky we my get half.
So then you're asking if it's worth £65m to sell our main creative player. More or less a one in, one out with Mason Mount. To me that's laughable. But hey opinions and all that.
Honestly for me, Bruno has been banking enough credit to have freedom to pick the best option for himself. He's been exemplary throughout his career with us, and he's at an age that this could be his last hoorah. Unless if we're willing to bump up his wage, or giving out longer contract; then if big Club, like Bayern, is interested and he wants the move; I feel that we should be facilitating the move.
While we also demand a good fee, we shouldn't be greedy enough to jeopardize his move, if he wants to. I think that's the right thing to do, as a big Club. And it creates good feeling with the other players.
Bruno is by far the best player we've got. His assists and his workrate is top notch. However I do wonder how much mileage he's still got playing that sort of football and whether he can adapt to a more energy saving style. There's also an issue on whether he wants to be part of a rebuild were he's probably not going to bear fruits off and if it makes sense to give him a huge salary/contract at this stage of his career.
Sorry for the late reply, was held up on work.
Romufc, I think we are going round in circles.
Bruno Fernandes is the epitome of Current Man United team. He's the captain. He plays the most matches, he takes penalties, he's the 'most creative player', probably you dont want to accept it but HOW WE PLAY IS BREAD AND BUTTER, Bruno Fernandes. First you need to accept this. From there everything else will fall into place why some things happen. This current football is what has brought immeasurable pain and anguish to us fans.
About People above..
Ed Woodward left in Feb 2022. Technically. It was announced that time. Since 2022, we've had ETH as a manager yet we have scored 115 goals in a season. City scored 90+ goals this season.
So Ed Woodward can't be blamed on our current problems for sure.
Richard Arnold already left, United have gone to a 60 point a season
We are in 2024. 2 years apart. Yet we have struggled in goals and leaking goals. Our GD in 2 years is - 1 and 0
Yep, ETH has endured a - 1 GD in his 2 seasons as United manager, cumulatively.
Glazers have given out football control, same season we have lost record number of games.
I tell you, in all humbleness, even if we buy a new stadium tomorrow and play the same way we play we will not achieve even 70 points.
Our problem is we don't have a sustainable playing style. It's very easy to see and identify.
ETH has been unable to achieve it. Partly because of playing transition football.
Ineos are not foolish people, the indecisiveness regarding ETH future is absolutely warranted and genuine. If ETH was backed and believed in, why talk about his future yet it's the status quo. It means even the higher powers can see how unsustainable our club is.
I said it in June 2023, go to ETH thread. And I quote it again
"in 18 months (from that time) either ETH or Bruno leaves but both won't be here" not because I am a prophet or future reader but because it's extremely easy to see how we play is not sustainable in the long run. And it was even before Ratcliffe was confirmed as Co-owner.
Again I say it I know people will call me names, but I am 100% I will be vindicated
ETH or Bruno won't be here in the next 6 months, and if they will be here by end of January 2025, our pain and anguish as fans will be double of what we've endured in the last 12 months.
I understand what you are saying but I suggest you watch Portugal and tell me Bruno can only play one style of play.
I am shocked that you dont think the structure has anything to do with this, even you are not that naive to think that the sale happened in December, so the change is instant.. This is not football manager.
In reality, change takes time.
Now, you keep saying with / without Bruno.. do you think City are a worse team with Haaland? they got less points, less goals scored with Haaland in the team. You probably think he is rubbish because their points and goals tally went down?
Offering players a new 5-year bumper deal, who are aged 30 and have 3 years left on their contract is exactly what we should be avoiding. No matter how good they are.
That would be so great. Finally you'd have something positive to say about him
I bet you'd be able to put a negative spin on it though
Yes he would.
Where?
For Arsenal I'm pretty sure the midfield would be Rice, Ødegaard, Bruno.
For City it's hard to say because Pep rotates a lot and De Bruyne is the better player, but Pep also likes players who can play in multiple positions. Seeing as Bruno has tried everything except fullback and goalkeeper (as far as I know), he would for sure find a role for Bruno.
That is a very open Arsenal midfield.
It ain't. Rice is a DM and Ødegaard is a pure CM in my opinion. He also works well as an AM because he's so versatile, but I think his primary position is CM in the modern game. And the good thing with Bruno is that he has excellent defensive stats and workrate for an AM, so him and Ødegaard could switch roles quickly in the attacking phase or on the counter.
It is. Arteta literally tried this with Havertz Rice and Odegard. Realised it doesnt work, reverted to having 2 in midfield, Jorginho or Partey.
Bruno is better than Havertz though. I think it would work well, but it's all speculation.
That's what Pep did, with 2 8's and inverting full backs. I am not saying it cant work, Ten Hag looked like he wants to play that too, if you recall with Mount and Bruno.
Out of all the problems the club need to slowly work through, this shouldn't be one of them.
He's been one of our most consistent players in the last few years and our club captain.
Just give him a new contract and move on.
We have people like Sancho, Maguire, Cas etc on 300k and above ffs. This is one player we don't have to worry too much about turning up.
He's been one of our most consistent players in the last few years and our club captain.
Just give him a new contract and move on.
We have people like Sancho, Maguire, Cas etc on 300k and above ffs. This is one player we don't have to worry too much about turning up.
There are three things that needs to be taken in consideration
a- the player's style of football. No one defeats father time however some styles tend to prolong players career as opposed to others. Carrick, Ibra and Teddy for example allowed their football brain to make most of the work which in turn allowed them more time at top flight as opposed to the likes of Park, Keane and Rooney. Bruno is more of the latter then of the former. He certainly has the skills to adapt to a different style of game but I do doubt whether he's got the mental discipline not to chase after every ball or to stay deep and let others do the heavy lifting.
b- Bruno might be asking for a big pay rise. Surely he wants that his last big contract is worth its while. The trouble with that is that contracts are extremely complicated these days and we haven't been wise in negotiating them. Players might have clauses in their contract that ensure that they are among the highest earners in the club which means that if Bruno gets a pay rise then someone like Rashford might automatically get a pay rise. Then there's of course the psychological aspect of it all. If by age 32 Bruno becomes a squad player then many first team players would expect to be paid at least at par to him. That what happened with the Sanchez drama. Players were knocking at the manager's office asking for their salary to reflect their effort as opposed to that of Alexis.
c- Players of Bruno's age are impatient. They would want to keep winning and have little tolerance towards rebuilds. Its not just about the emotional side but also in terms of finances. More success means more bonuses and at age 28-32 these bonuses might be their last. Its no wonder why some of SAF's fiercest clashes with players came when they hit that age (RVN, Keane, Rooney).
Bayern are already well-stocked in the no.10 position and there is no way Barca can part with anything like the £100m required with their financial issues.
The only serious concern would be from Saudi, but I highly doubt Bruno is ready to quit United and Europe just yet.
All just noise from his agent seeking a better contract. We hold all the cards here and shouldn't be pressured into offering better terms.
The only serious concern would be from Saudi, but I highly doubt Bruno is ready to quit United and Europe just yet.
All just noise from his agent seeking a better contract. We hold all the cards here and shouldn't be pressured into offering better terms.
I love Bruno's attitude and think he is a really good player, but, I'd actually cash in on him.
Shy away from these last big contracts, but also, I think we really need to solidify our midfield. Go for the best defensive midfielder we can, as thats what we need more than anything in this side, but then we need to a partner next to Mainoo who can also hold onto the ball.
With the ball at his feet, Mainoo looks a class above the rest of our side. Getting out of tight situations etc.
We need to break the press and I don't think Bruno is the player we need
Shy away from these last big contracts, but also, I think we really need to solidify our midfield. Go for the best defensive midfielder we can, as thats what we need more than anything in this side, but then we need to a partner next to Mainoo who can also hold onto the ball.
With the ball at his feet, Mainoo looks a class above the rest of our side. Getting out of tight situations etc.
We need to break the press and I don't think Bruno is the player we need
We should call his bluff. No one in Europe is paying our wages+big transfer fee for him.
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