If we get rid of Bruno and score more goals + more points, what will you say then?
Bruno Fernandes Out?
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I will say well done to the team.
The fact that you and others think we will win PL just because he leaves is laughable though
No one has said that, or even close.
Dragging us down, since Bruno has been at United, we have finished 3rd, 2nd, 6th, 3rd and 8th. He is been dragging us down to 3rd and 2nd along with 8th so, the only way up from 2nd is top?
Why do some people think this is a realistic outcome? I wonder if Arsenal fans discuss whether they'd score more goals and get more points if they sell Odegaard.
Spurs improved after they sold Kane. Liverpool after Coutinho. It's a very realistic outcome if you use the money wisely.
WE HAVE BAD LEAGUE FINISHES because of HOW WE PLAY.... what's so hard to comprehend there.
So how do we play.. Transition, Ball over the top football.
Bruno is part and parcel of this football. That's why he plays almost all games. He has 'best personal numbers' but miraculously United have very poor numbers as a team.
Bruno HAS NEVER PLAYED in a Champion League QF game in his life. HE'S 30 YEARS OLD. In his LIFE.
Bruno has never been involved in a TITLE RACE in his life. Leave alone winning a league title.
Bruno has never won a League Title or Champion League title in his life. Never.
That's his level. Bruno is a Europa League level player.
Why do you act as if Bruno is some form of Scholes or Keane in our midfield? Please.
Again, I will say whoever has eyes will see, our problem is how we play, we play how we play because of Bruno. That's his biggest strength, transition football, ball over the top at instant.
This football has not delivered anything tangible.
- It has delivered the worst finishes in the league
- Goal difference of - 1 and 0 consecutively in the league.
- 57,58,57 goals in the league.
- We have scored 172 goals in the last 3 seasons (114 games). ARSENAL have scored 179 goals the last 2 season (76 games) .
Again Arsenal doesn't play like us, they don't do ball over the top, transition football but they score goals we score in 114 games they do it in 76 games.
They don't have a tangible striker.
So this is why I'm not with Ana de Armas, my wife has just been dragging me down!
Because football doesn't work in a vacuum. When players leave, other players and things just fall into place. It just happens. It's the same as any office job environment. Person X leaves, Persons Y and Z pick up some of the stuff he wasn't doing between them and the way the team works slightly changes.
Spurs with Kane's last season got 70 goals and 60 points. Spurs without Kane got 74 goals and 66 points.
Fernandes leaving wouldn't have a substantial difference on the team either way, honestly. A variance similar to Spurs' above (positive or negative) would be likely.
Come on - we both know that was down to a change of management at Spurs.
I know, I was being sarcastic. Some of the takes in this thread
Forgive me for not catching on but I cant be sure with some of the things mentioned by fans here.
Well yes, but the same could happen here. New manager with different setup that plays without one single creative outlet.
If we handle it correctly selling Bruno isn't necessarily going to result in the sky falling down.
Simply selling him isn't going to fix anything of course and significant tactical changes would have to be made for it to have any other result than a significant downgrade to the team.
Be honest: rank those leagues.
CL wise, I really don't know with Barca. Barca are genuinely screwed so really you're only asking about Bayern. Bayern have obviously won it a bit more recently but they're a new team now and haven't done much since winning it outside of this year getting to the semi. Obviously there is a better chance to win it with them (for one because we're not even in it this year) but it's not that high in my opinion. If a player is linked with Real or City, or even now to be honest looking at the team PSG are building, I kind of get that but Bayern are in need of big investment in a league that isn't as easy as it used to be, I think there should be a decent amount of skepticism there.
Yep but some of the takes on here suggest that same set up same players, get rid of Bruno and we win the league.
Spurs improved because they got a competent attacking manager. The idea that Kane was holding them back is straight up insane. If they’d retained Kane this season then they would have probably been up with the top 3.
It solves the biggest problem, with the easiest action.
Our style of play. Is our biggest problem.
Bin Bruno off, 99.5%, we won't play transition football. ETH himself said he doesn't play the AJAX way because of the profile of the players he has at United.
Guess which players are this 'profiles'
Bruno doesn't have to be the single creative outlet. I'm pretty sure he works well in a functioning possession-based team for Portugal. Let's say we keep Bruno and buy a winger whose first instinct isn't to run and shoot, but instead look up and create an opening, then we're likely to score more goals.
I love the belief in our club despite all the shit that's happened. I respect it even.
But I will never accuse a player of being unambitious for joining Bayern, Barca or Real. And honestly, the list is longer than that since Fergie retired. We don't know if INEOS will prove successful. And because of that we are still far away from being a true top club. We are a top club in name and brand only. If anything, it's the players who join us who should be accused of following the money and being unambitious. That is why it's extra important for our scouts to find the right characters and probably stick to relatively young players.
So those games Bruno didnt play, did our style of play massively improve or were we playing transitional?
If we made no signings and sold Bruno, you believe 99.5% we wont play transitional?
I know. It’s baffling. Wonder how our chance creation and goalscoring would improve if we sold him and signed two young talented possession-oriented midfielders to replace him.
I remember a similar type of discussion around Giggsy. You need those players who are willing to take risks even if it sometimes leads to losing possession.
Yes Bruno sometimes frustrates me as well but he’s our only creating outlet. The numbers he puts up in a shit United team is nothing short of incredible.
Sign/play more playmaking wingers instead of only running in behind and the team is instantly better and more balanced.
Sign a DM more comfortable with the ball and our attacking stops being so counter-oriented.
Nobody has said that. Nobody (sane) is saying that about Bruno Fernandes.
I'm commenting on the idea that Fernandes leaving instantly means doom and gloom for the club. History has proven time and time again that even where the best/better player leaves a football club, they tend to just cope and things work out. The variance in points, goals scored etc. is rarely ever to such a giant disparity.
I get the point, I agree on Bayern but not Barca. Agreed on big name players, although European market is much weaker financially so there are limited options if you are looking for £250k+ a week outside of the PL.
Did they though? Yes they finished higher than the season before but got to CL several times with Kane. CL final too. It’s also one single season, not a big enough sample size for me.
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Spurs point is weird. They improved because Ange did better with the squad than Conte did.
Exactly, instead of berating one player for why we play a certain way, why dont fans look at why every manager plays him.
We have had Ole, Rangnick and Ten Hag, different systems preferred yet, Bruno is always first name on their team sheets. Granted Rangnick didnt do well, yet Bruno was the only one who was always available, ready to play for any manager.
Agreed, he is frustrating but when he or another player doesn't try the killer passes, they will be known as safe. I remember the end of Mounts time at Chelsea, they were saying they wanted him to play more risky balls forward instead of sideways safe passing.
Some of the passes he can find, we will struggle to find a midfielder with that much creative talent to join us.
We probably didn’t lose the ball as much under LvG. Do I want us to go back to that risk-free boring shit? Absolutely not.
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Barcelona got 85 points and scored 79 goals. And that's in a bad season where the situation around the manager was a complete mess for several months. You don't think that they are more likely to win La Liga than we are to win the PL?
And like you said, you got to be in the CL to win it. And Barcelona is pretty much guaranteed to be in it every year. And far worse teams have won it, so it wouldn't be shocking if they did it in the next couple of years.
Clearly not what he meant.
Yes and Liverpool had a very clear system, that it was obvious another runner in midfield will suit them better. With us it's the opposite, with no Bruno our attack will crumble without a complete overhaul. And if we're doing that, why not make Bruno part of it?
Honestly we have some of the lowest standards, most players at united can do anything and won't get benched. We have had years of terrible football and some terrible league positions, 0 action. So what pressure are you talking about?Lost for words
People said the same about Kane.
I believe you're better than your first statement but how will the team change when the manager believes in transition football and doesn't train the team in any other way?
Second statement.... Yes bro. I believe. As weird as it may sound. Primarily because we have done the opposite of this.
Lets have a honest and candid discussion..
We have bought more new players but our football design remains the same.
The difference between Onana and De Gea in our game play is it that visible? , leave alone making saves.
The difference between McFred midfield and Casemiro, Eriksen or Casemiro, Mainoo has it had that big effect to drag the team forward.
Wing play of Elanga, Lingard, James, or Antony, Garnacho, Sancho has it delivered more goals to the team?
A defensive setup of Maguire Lindelof and Martinez Varane has it vastly improved our conceded goals.
Be honest in your answers and support it with team numbers...
If we are genuinely honest, you will see nothing has changed yet we have changed almost the whole team, even coaches,
Yes and those takes are obviously wrong I agree.
Absolutely. My point was only in case we end up selling him. Your suggestion would be my personal preference as well.
Oh I get they'll be in but win it? No way until the financial issues are sorted, plus there's the ref investigation. So, yes, a player could go there and know they should be in the CL yearly but so could a player at Ajax or Sporting or Dortmund. Again, I get the lifestyle piece of Barca but I'm not sure about the project for a 30 year old to go there, likely take a big pay cut given their financial issues all on the idea they will either win the league (Real are assembling a super team) or win the CL, seems highly unlikely in next few years.
What, keeping our best players?
Honestly, who cares about the money, he is worth more in the team. Prize money and TV rights alone will pay more than what ever fee we get for him.
No one can predict the future, but even with financial issues Barcelona is a clear step up in terms of ambitions even now. Both the fans and the club have sky high expectations compared to us.
And they'd have been wrong. Kane under Ange would have scored goals for fun and would have likely got them top 4.