Bruno Fernandes Out?

It could be a Coutinho situation where an obviously talented, productive and much loved player is sold and the team elevates as a result of not focussing mainly through one creative outlet. We've been through similar before when we sold van Nistlerooy and people thought we'd struggle to score.

At his age a stupid offer would need to be considered.
 
Zen86 said:
Good players will get us top 4. Selling Bruno and buying two inferior players won't.
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Well Aston Villa have built their squad buying far cheaper players. We should be doing what they do.
 
I don't get any of the criticism.

If there is one player in the post Fergie era who has earned a fat pay check based on meritocracy then it's Bruno. He should be our top earner by a comfortable margin. I don't find it particularly dubious to angle for a new contract, even though he has weak cards (based on his contract). I also don't find it particularly worthy of critique if he wants to join Barcelona or Bayern. Most sensible players would. And no, that does not mean that Bruno doesn't love the club. It's possible to both love the club and also want to win a big trophy. These "one club men" are a thing of the past and player loyalty is overrated anyways. No club shows loyalty towards the players, so why should they?

I personally hope he stays of course. He's our best and most important player. We have a far too weak squad to sell him. We are nothing like Real Madrid, even if some of our fans like to think so.
 
Hammondo said:
Well Aston Villa have built their squad buying far cheaper players. We should be doing what they do.
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And Aston Villa have won nothing.

United don't seem to be able to go and buy cheaper players, the status of the club always increases the valuation and player wage expectations. Just how it is.
 
Cloudface said:
It could be a Coutinho situation where an obviously talented, productive and much loved player is sold and the team elevates as a result of not focussing mainly through one creative outlet. We've been through similar before when we sold van Nistlerooy and people thought we'd struggle to score.

At his age a stupid offer would need to be considered.
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I don't think selling Bruno will suddenly make our wide players better at creating for others. Bruno is our main creator because the others attackers are so shit at it, the wings get plenty of the ball.

We'd have to consider a stupid offer but only if we can get in a top creative midfielder. Who is a realistic target though?
 
Insanity said:
While the agent is pimping him out, his son is flying the United flag.

He isn't going anywhere. We'll relent and give him a long term bumper contract and then regret it for 3 of the 5 years.

Does anyone believes that Barca or Bayern are going to stump gbp 80m for him? There isn't a chance in hell they'd do that.

Their "interest" is agent generated to get him a last big contract from us.
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Yeah 80m is really really hard to believe. I'd find it hard to believe even a 60m bid.
 
Ball is in Brunos hands anyway. If he wants to stay - brilliant. If he doesn’t and is determined to leave then we should respect his wishes and at the same time try to get a good fee.

The club don’t actually have to do much until Bruno decides. Improve the rest of the squad to try and make his decision a bit easier.
 
It's an interesting one. I've not been following this, but does it look like it could genuinely be a possibility? I just thought it was media bollocks to begin with and paid no attention.

There's a few things it makes me wonder though, if true. Firstly, why would ETH sanction this? Bruno is the brains of his team, he papers over all of the cracks in his tactical setup and has saved us so many times.

Secondly, if Bruno is genuinely pushing the possibility that he will leave, could he be a player that doesn't believe in ETH? Or does he just want to leave no matter what?
 
ElDiabloRojo said:
And Aston Villa have won nothing.

United don't seem to be able to go and buy cheaper players, the status of the club always increases the valuation and player wage expectations. Just how it is.
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No, that's not just how it is, the market decides wages and the prices of players. We have over paid for players over and over, City generally buy their players for cheaper. Villa are better than us, they have built well, for us to go from where we are to where they are, we need to be smart, we have massive squad problems, 1 player is not that important.
 
AaronRedDevil said:
If you think that's bad. Just wait till you see Bruno not in the team anymore. It's only like that because Rashford was shite and Garnacho was too greedy at times. Plus no one was passing it to Rasmus. He's our ONLY source of creating chances.
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THE WORST 3 finishes in MANCHESTER UNITED Premier League History has happened in the following years. THE Bad you're talking about. In numbers and position, not personal opinions or preferences..

2022 - 58 points
2024 - 60 points
2014 - 64 points



Surprise, surprise BRUNO Fernandes has been involved in 2 of those teams.

THE LAST 3 SEASONS.... Man United has scored 57,58,57 Goals in a season. SUB 60 goals in three consecutive seasons.


That's the bad of United glorious legacy. He part of it. Not that we drag him to that level, no he has dragged United to that Level. United have never finished a season below 60 points, United has never lost 14 league games in a season.
All that has happened with Bruno being the main man, the Captain, the focal point, the penalty taker, the player who played the most matches for the team etc.

So it's not as if all this period of blemish is painted on him for no reason, he is the main stay of the 2021-2022 team that had 58 points and now lost 14 league games in a season. There must be some reason to it. It can't be it's mistakes of others and not him.

We have blamed every other thing
From Ralf, Ole,
De Gea
Maguire
Lindelof
McFred
James
Martial
Lingard

All who were mainstay in the 2021-2022 team, but are not here anymore or not mainstay anymore.

We even blamed Glazers, now we have Ratcliffe.

Woodward left in Feb 2022. 2 years already. We blamed him for all the problems. 2 years later we lost the most league games in a season in United PL history. We have 60 points. 60. Woodward is not there to be blamed anymore.


So what's how problem?

Is OUR PLAYING STYLE. it's not sustainable. It's not scalable. It's not a 50 games a season playing style. IT WILL NEVER BE.

We can even BUY A NEW stadium tomorrow, go away from leaking Old Trafford , and I guarantee you if we play the same way we will finish with 63 points next season.

All this unsustainable football started from 2019 onwards...

Check my previous, I detailed how since 2020 we have lost so many games with 4+ goals. Something which even during the dark days of Mourinho and Van Gal were unheard of.

Mourinho lost only once by 4 goals.

Van Gal probably twice.. Against Leicester, Mk Dons any other can remember..

Since 2020 we have lost with 4+ goals 10 times. Not a coincidence it corresponds with our worst period in PL history and when we started playing counter attacking football and ball over the top football and this shit transition football.

Again, I will say. If we don't change how we play and move away from this transition football we will meet here next year, 2025 February, arguing about the same thing but blaming a new bogey man. Just wait you will see.
 
Hammondo said:
Well Aston Villa have built their squad buying far cheaper players. We should be doing what they do.
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Yeah, good luck buying anyone for the same money Villa will pay. Villa aren’t under a fraction of the kind of pressure and scrutiny United are under, either. Football Manager logic.
 
pocco said:
There's a few things it makes me wonder though, if true. Firstly, why would ETH sanction this? Bruno is the brains of his team, he papers over all of the cracks in his tactical setup and has saved us so many times.
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It was reported that Bruno refused a big offer from Saudi last year . For that to have happened , doesn't it mean that United were contacted and allowed the approach ?


If so , that implies to me that the club and Ten hag were open to it and most probably still are .
 
Kirk lazarus said:
It was reported that Bruno refused a big offer from Saudi last year . For that to have happened , doesn't it mean that United were contacted and allowed the approach ?


If so , that implies to me that the club and Ten hag were open to it and most probably still are .
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No it doesn't necessarily imply that. The Saudi clubs no doubt contacted his agent and offered him big money verbally, that's what they do. If we wanted him to go last summer then he'd be gone, there'd be a queue of clubs for him.
 
Licha-Vidic said:
Or a Newcastle midfield, in a 80+ goal EPL TEAM.
We as United scored 57 goals in the league.
  1. Crystal Palace scored 57 goals. Same as us.
  2. Westham scored 55 goals, United had 2 more.
  3. Brentford scored 56 goals, United had 1 more.
  4. We scored 5 MORE GOALS than Luton in 38 games of Premier League Football. Luton who were relegated. They had 52 goals.

People act as if, we are doing soo good with Bruno in the team. That we will struggle when he leaves. We are already struggling with him in the team.

The 2 worst finish of United in PL happened with Bruno in the team.
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There were three players in the league with more completed progressive passes than him. There were four with more shot-ctreating actions/90. There were 12 with more shots on target. There was one with more through balls. There was three with more touches in the attacking third. There were NO players who created more big chances than him.

So I'm pretty sure he wasn't one of the reasons we didn't have a great season offensively.
 
Licha-Vidic said:
THE WORST 3 finishes in MANCHESTER UNITED Premier League History has happened in the following years. THE Bad you're talking about. In numbers and position, not personal opinions or preferences..

2022 - 58 points
2024 - 60 points
2014 - 64 points



Surprise, surprise BRUNO Fernandes has been involved in 2 of those teams.

THE LAST 3 SEASONS.... Man United has scored 57,58,57 Goals in a season. SUB 60 goals in three consecutive seasons.


That's the bad of United glorious legacy. He part of it. Not that we drag him to that level, no he has dragged United to that Level. United have never finished a season below 60 points, United has never lost 14 league games in a season.
All that has happened with Bruno being the main man, the Captain, the focal point, the penalty taker, the player who played the most matches for the team etc.
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Unbelievable. We’ve had bad league finishes and because Bruno has been in the team it’s him that is the problem.

”He has dragged United to that level”. Wow.

It’s Kane’s fault Spurs didn’t win any titles, right?
 
Like I said previously, if someone is offering 100 million for him, take him, if not I’d gladly keep him.

Not sure we should be rewarding any squad player when the team finishes 8th.
 
Licha-Vidic said:
THE WORST 3 finishes in MANCHESTER UNITED Premier League History has happened in the following years. THE Bad you're talking about. In numbers and position, not personal opinions or preferences..

2022 - 58 points
2024 - 60 points
2014 - 64 points



Surprise, surprise BRUNO Fernandes has been involved in 2 of those teams.

THE LAST 3 SEASONS.... Man United has scored 57,58,57 Goals in a season. SUB 60 goals in three consecutive seasons.


That's the bad of United glorious legacy. He part of it. Not that we drag him to that level, no he has dragged United to that Level. United have never finished a season below 60 points, United has never lost 14 league games in a season.
All that has happened with Bruno being the main man, the Captain, the focal point, the penalty taker, the player who played the most matches for the team etc.

So it's not as if all this period of blemish is painted on him for no reason, he is the main stay of the 2021-2022 team that had 58 points and now lost 14 league games in a season. There must be some reason to it. It can't be it's mistakes of others and not him.

We have blamed every other thing
From Ralf, Ole,
De Gea
Maguire
Lindelof
McFred
James
Martial
Lingard

All who were mainstay in the 2021-2022 team, but are not here anymore or not mainstay anymore.

We even blamed Glazers, now we have Ratcliffe.

Woodward left in Feb 2022. 2 years already. We blamed him for all the problems. 2 years later we lost the most league games in a season in United PL history. We have 60 points. 60. Woodward is not there to be blamed anymore.


So what's how problem?

Is OUR PLAYING STYLE. it's not sustainable. It's not scalable. It's not a 50 games a season playing style. IT WILL NEVER BE.

We can even BUY A NEW stadium tomorrow, go away from leaking Old Trafford , and I guarantee you if we play the same way we will finish with 63 points next season.

All this unsustainable football started from 2019 onwards...

Check my previous, I detailed how since 2020 we have lost so many games with 4+ goals. Something which even during the dark days of Mourinho and Van Gal were unheard of.

Mourinho lost only once by 4 goals.

Van Gal probably twice.. Against Leicester, Mk Dons any other can remember..

Since 2020 we have lost with 4+ goals 10 times. Not a coincidence it corresponds with our worst period in PL history and when we started playing counter attacking football and ball over the top football and this shit transition football.

Again, I will say. If we don't change how we play and move away from this transition football we will meet here next year, 2025 February, arguing about the same thing but blaming a new bogey man. Just wait you will see.
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Ffs:lol:
 
top1whoisman said:
Unbelievable. We’ve had bad league finishes and because Bruno has been in the team it’s him that is the problem.

”He has dragged United to that level”. Wow.

It’s Kane’s fault Spurs didn’t win any titles, right?
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I heard this from a youtube fan channel too. Apparently, he has been the mainstay in 2 bad seasons, so its his fault and has to be held accountable.

Its as if fans dont watch football. 1 player = reason we have bad seasons. A player who is always fit, reliable, tries for the club.

I really dont get the anti Bruno agenda, yes he can be a bit emotional but he is the sort of player you want in your team.
 
duffer said:
Maybe he wants to win some major silverwear before he retires? Or play in a different league while he can still pick and choose?

If he goes to Bayern or Barca, there's no way that would be a move for money's sake. It'll be a lifestyle/ambition choice.
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Lifestyle I get, to be fair, if he goes to a Spanish/Portuguese team or osmehwer like Monaco (good luck them affording him/paying him) as it is something all the Portuguese/Spanish players say is hardest about the UK, the lifestyle change.

Ambition, I'm not sure, is Bayern that attractive right now? Sure, in the same way he could move to PSG, Ajax etc. knowing you should win some titles. They just embarked on a quite embarrassing and very public managerial search which ended with a relative novice taking the helm, came 3rd in the league and have a squad needing a big overhaul + he has no connection with the country nor would it be that different from living in the UK.

He wants to get his last big contract - this is what this is about - I do think he wants to stay at United but his agent is pushing hard for this and, so far, it seems like it's not been a great move with Ineos clearly being different from the Glazers and not just handing out whopper deals on a whim. I still think he stays another season because no one will be prepared to pay big money for him, for the same reason we are stalling on giving a long contract.
 
Kirk lazarus said:
It was reported that Bruno refused a big offer from Saudi last year . For that to have happened , doesn't it mean that United were contacted and allowed the approach ?


If so , that implies to me that the club and Ten hag were open to it and most probably still are .
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Historically yes. That method of transfers seems long gone now though. Appears a buying club will always make sure they have gotten the nod from player/agent first now.
 
His market value is €70m. If outside PL clubs want to sign him, we should only listen for the double of his current value €140m (without adds on). World class player.
 
justsomebloke said:
There were three players in the league with more completed progressive passes than him. There were four with more shot-ctreating actions/90. There were 12 with more shots on target. There was one with more through balls. There was three with more touches in the attacking third. There were NO players who created more big chances than him.

So I'm pretty sure he wasn't one of the reasons we didn't have a great season offensively.
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WE HAVE SCORED

57, 58, 57 goals in the last 3 seasons. Consecutively..

Again, Rasmus was not in the last 2 season.
Rashford had is best season but we scored 58 league goals.
2022 - 57 goals we blame who? Antony was not there, who do we blame?

Again, it reinforce the notion Bruno is all that you've typed but we still underform. Why? Because of new players? Not him? :D

Newcastle has no Bruno but they score 85 league goals. They scored 28 more goals than us.

We scored 5 more league goals than Luton. A relegated team. They have no Bruno

So where does this 'Bruno presence' accolades gravitate to? The 28 less we scored against Newcastle or the 5 more than Luton?

If you have brains you will see, with or without Bruno you can score 85 league goals. And score 52 goals like Luton.

And with Bruno himself score 57 goals.

AGAIN, We have not had a good offensive season in the recent past BECAUSE OF HOW WE PLAY. We play a very unsustainable, transition football, ball over the top and BRUNO IS part and Parcel of that. That's why he tops all the charts of our numbers ( personal numbers BTW) but we will NEVER top any team standings.
 
Licha-Vidic said:
WE HAVE SCORED

57, 58, 57 goals in the last 3 seasons. Consecutively..

Again, Rasmus was not in the last 2 season.
Rashford had is best season but we scored 58 league goals.
2022 - 57 goals we blame who? Antony was not there, who do we blame?

Again, it reinforce the notion Bruno is all that you've typed but we still underform. Why? Because of new players? Not him? :D

Newcastle has no Bruno but they score 85 league goals. They scored 28 more goals than us.

We scored 5 more league goals than Luton. A relegated team. They have no Bruno

So where does this 'Bruno presence' accolades gravitate to? The 28 less we scored against Newcastle or the 5 more than Luton?

If you have brains you will see, with or without Bruno you can score 85 league goals. And score 52 goals like Luton.

And with Bruno himself score 57 goals.

AGAIN, We have not had a good offensive season in the recent past BECAUSE OF HOW WE PLAY. We play a very unsustainable, transition football, ball over the top and BRUNO IS part and Parcel of that. That's why he tops all the charts of our numbers ( personal numbers BTW) but we will NEVER top any team standings.
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All this makes it sound that its easy solution. Sell Bruno and we will top everything. We will finish above everyone else and we will score more goals.
 
100 said:
Ball is in Brunos hands anyway. If he wants to stay - brilliant. If he doesn’t and is determined to leave then we should respect his wishes and at the same time try to get a good fee.

The club don’t actually have to do much until Bruno decides. Improve the rest of the squad to try and make his decision a bit easier.
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Well I don't think they will want to make many transfers decisions until he decides tbh.
 
romufc said:
All this makes it sound that its easy solution. Sell Bruno and we will top everything. We will finish above everyone else and we will score more goals.
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Exactly, he’s been dragging us down for all these years.
 
Licha-Vidic said:
WE HAVE SCORED

57, 58, 57 goals in the last 3 seasons. Consecutively..

Again, Rasmus was not in the last 2 season.
Rashford had is best season but we scored 58 league goals.
2022 - 57 goals we blame who? Antony was not there, who do we blame?

Again, it reinforce the notion Bruno is all that you've typed but we still underform. Why? Because of new players? Not him? :D

Newcastle has no Bruno but they score 85 league goals. They scored 28 more goals than us.

We scored 5 more league goals than Luton. A relegated team. They have no Bruno

So where does this 'Bruno presence' accolades gravitate to? The 28 less we scored against Newcastle or the 5 more than Luton?

If you have brains you will see, with or without Bruno you can score 85 league goals. And score 52 goals like Luton.

And with Bruno himself score 57 goals.

AGAIN, We have not had a good offensive season in the recent past BECAUSE OF HOW WE PLAY. We play a very unsustainable, transition football, ball over the top and BRUNO IS part and Parcel of that. That's why he tops all the charts of our numbers ( personal numbers BTW) but we will NEVER top any team standings.
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Playing devil's advocate, if Bruno wasn't their we might not have scored 57/58/57 goals.

I personally think the imbalance of the team, the insistance of persisting with certain players because they came through the academy or cost huge amounts of money when they are either not good enough or not the right fit is a bigger contributory factor to our low scoring totals than Bruno.

When you think that over the last load of years, we played on the wing Garnacho, Rashford, Dan James, Sancho, Antony, Amad, Greenwood, Martial and Pellestri. Bar Pellestri every one of them are not creative, they all turn inside and shoot. This has done 2 things. We shoot too often from stupid areas, the striker gets scraps for service and it makes our players easy to read and defend against. Our full backs going forward haven't been good enough going forward to compensate for the lack of wide creativity by our forwards

This is the reason why we don't score enough goals. Not 1 player at no. 10
 
top1whoisman said:
Exactly, he’s been dragging us down for all these years.
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So what will you say when Bruno leaves and we don't win the league. What excuse will you use? se apparently its easy, get rid of Bruno and we will be automatic title challengers.
 
Zen86 said:
Yeah, good luck buying anyone for the same money Villa will pay. Villa aren’t under a fraction of the kind of pressure and scrutiny United are under, either. Football Manager logic.
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There isn't much pressure on our players in recent years, we don't really have any standards, anything is acceptable. We have one of the laziest squads in the PL.
 
Smores said:
I don't think selling Bruno will suddenly make our wide players better at creating for others. Bruno is our main creator because the others attackers are so shit at it, the wings get plenty of the ball.

We'd have to consider a stupid offer but only if we can get in a top creative midfielder. Who is a realistic target though?
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I don't think we would have to like for like replace him with a "10" as Bruno pretty much is. Improving our creativity from out wide and control from deeper midfield positions could improve us.

The season we bought Carrick and sold van Nistlerooy was a rebalancing of the team that brought many improvements in our goalscoring and general play. Similarly I doubt it would be the case that we need another Bruno if we sell the one we have. We can create chances from elsewhere if we get the balance of the team right I am sure. If we get it right...
 
romufc said:
All this makes it sound that its easy solution. Sell Bruno and we will top everything. We will finish above everyone else and we will score more goals.
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top1whoisman said:
Exactly, he’s been dragging us down for all these years.
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He's been the mainstay in a team that has underperformed for years, ipso facto, Bruno is the problem. Just like Bryan Robson was the problem when we were finishing midtable.
 
Licha-Vidic said:
THE WORST 3 finishes in MANCHESTER UNITED Premier League History has happened in the following years. THE Bad you're talking about. In numbers and position, not personal opinions or preferences..

2022 - 58 points
2024 - 60 points
2014 - 64 points



Surprise, surprise BRUNO Fernandes has been involved in 2 of those teams.

THE LAST 3 SEASONS.... Man United has scored 57,58,57 Goals in a season. SUB 60 goals in three consecutive seasons.


That's the bad of United glorious legacy. He part of it. Not that we drag him to that level, no he has dragged United to that Level. United have never finished a season below 60 points, United has never lost 14 league games in a season.
All that has happened with Bruno being the main man, the Captain, the focal point, the penalty taker, the player who played the most matches for the team etc.

So it's not as if all this period of blemish is painted on him for no reason, he is the main stay of the 2021-2022 team that had 58 points and now lost 14 league games in a season. There must be some reason to it. It can't be it's mistakes of others and not him.

We have blamed every other thing
From Ralf, Ole,
De Gea
Maguire
Lindelof
McFred
James
Martial
Lingard

All who were mainstay in the 2021-2022 team, but are not here anymore or not mainstay anymore.

We even blamed Glazers, now we have Ratcliffe.

Woodward left in Feb 2022. 2 years already. We blamed him for all the problems. 2 years later we lost the most league games in a season in United PL history. We have 60 points. 60. Woodward is not there to be blamed anymore.


So what's how problem?

Is OUR PLAYING STYLE. it's not sustainable. It's not scalable. It's not a 50 games a season playing style. IT WILL NEVER BE.

We can even BUY A NEW stadium tomorrow, go away from leaking Old Trafford , and I guarantee you if we play the same way we will finish with 63 points next season.

All this unsustainable football started from 2019 onwards...

Check my previous, I detailed how since 2020 we have lost so many games with 4+ goals. Something which even during the dark days of Mourinho and Van Gal were unheard of.

Mourinho lost only once by 4 goals.

Van Gal probably twice.. Against Leicester, Mk Dons any other can remember..

Since 2020 we have lost with 4+ goals 10 times. Not a coincidence it corresponds with our worst period in PL history and when we started playing counter attacking football and ball over the top football and this shit transition football.

Again, I will say. If we don't change how we play and move away from this transition football we will meet here next year, 2025 February, arguing about the same thing but blaming a new bogey man. Just wait you will see.
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So say we had Messi or Zidane in there prime instead of Bruno...

You really think they would drag this mediocrity higher?

I will have what he is having... ;)
 
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