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Might actually be Gary Neville
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Who's going to buy a crock?
Nice.
Maybe Saudi. I'm sure they'd like to get a few England internationals over there. Even crocked ones.
Who's going to buy a crock?
Florian Wirtz isn't going to be going to the 8th placed team in England anyway. Much more likely to end up at City when DeBruyne's motor gives out.
We are kidding ourselves if we think we can replace Bruno with similar quality. The team will have to be reshaped to accommodate his loss. Heaven knows how we will attract the requisite quality in our current shape.
One bad year doesn't make him a crock. He's played 300 games in 7 years.Who's going to buy a crock?
Nobody said anything about being good enough though did they? We’re talking about people saying he’s one of the main problems.We're losing games without DVB and Elanga too, doesn't mean they were good enough.
There’s only 1 player who I wouldn’t mind replacing him with right now and that’s Eze from palace. He’s probably a better system player but he still won’t produce the goals and assist that Bruno does.The only justification to sell him is PSR or else he wants out. If we managed to sell Bruno Varane and Casemiro and brought in 5 players with high potential then we might end up being a more rounded team overall.
Nobody said anything about being good enough though did they? We’re talking about people saying he’s one of the main problems.
I wonder if we bought Mount knowing that we would try and shift Bruno this year. We promised to give him ample time this year and allow him to settle in properly but he just got unlucky with a few injuries.
That is how I read it. He is tired of the sport project in Utd.A lot of the posts in this thread are weird, in that it seems like a common line of thought here that it’s the club that wants to sell Bruno? It seems more likely that he wants to leave
Things are changing.Have you seen anything resembling such foresight at United in the last decade?
Things are changing.
A lot of the posts in this thread are weird, in that it seems like a common line of thought here that it’s the club that wants to sell Bruno? It seems more likely that he wants to leave
You might have missed it, but there was a 12+ month sale process and some lad called Jim bought a percentage of the club in February (after the summer)They weren't changing yet last summer, when we bought Mount, so there was surely no such plan.
Disagree actually, I think INEOS were already dictating things last summer to an extent, which is why we went for the loans of Reguilon and Amrabat and have focused a lot on moving players on so our balance sheet and numbers for this window is better.They weren't changing yet last summer, when we bought Mount, so there was surely no such plan.
You might have missed it, but there was a 12+ month sale process and some lad called Jim bought a percentage of the club in February (after the summer)
Now he is trying to effect a change at the club by hiring competent experienced people in key positions. I know, madness, right?!!
You don’t think the manager would have any ideas on succession planning for his squad?You're missing something.
I responded to a post that claimed "I wonder if we bought Mount knowing that we would try and shift Bruno this year".
When we bought Mount, nearly a year ago, Ratcliffe and his people were not involved yet.
Disagree actually, I think INEOS were already dictating things last summer to an extent, which is why we went for the loans of Reguilon and Amrabat and have focused a lot on moving players on so our balance sheet and numbers for this window is better.
You don’t think the manager would have any ideas on succession planning for his squad?
It's not wishful thinking at all mate. They were in advanced negotiations at the time and wanted tight control on incomings/outgoings to help us this year with the PSR limits.We went for those loans because we didn't have money to spend on anything.
Who in INEOS would have been dictating such things? There was no Ashworth, no Wilcos, no Berrada. Who would have said "let's buy Mount because we'll sell Bruno in a year's time"?
Wishful thinking is nice, but it's not connected to reality in this case.
We're well and truly fecked if that was the plan all along.I wonder if we bought Mount knowing that we would try and shift Bruno this year. We promised to give him ample time this year and allow him to settle in properly but he just got unlucky with a few injuries.
It's not wishful thinking at all mate. They were in advanced negotiations at the time and wanted tight control on incomings/outgoings to help us this year with the PSR limits.
Depends on how advanced the negotiations are and what the relationship is like between the two negotiating parties. Everything suggests that the relationship between Ratcliffe/INEOS is very good and it's quite plausible that during the negotiations it was a stipulation of Ratcliffe/INEOS. After all the Glazers actively wanted to sell and we now know that INEOS was probably the only viable buyer with how they wanted to remain in some capacity.Of course it's wishful thinking. You don't give someone control over multi-million decisions just because you're in negotiations with him.
And again, who in INEOS would have made that decision? They clearly want to bring in football people to decide such matter. Who in INEOS, in the summer of 2023, could have decided Mount is worth investing tons of money in?
You don’t think the manager would have any ideas on succession planning for his squad?
Fair enough. I did then go on to say that I’d sell Rashford but keep Bruno.I agree with you about Bruno but not about Rashford. You should have never mention Rashford’s name in the same argument as Bruno in your initial post.
We will save a huge amount of money
But it was a plan so that still proves the point.Not this manager.
ETH has never had any intention of losing Bruno and Rashford. And still doesn’t. I seriously doubt he wants to lose Varane or Casemiro either. Both were vital to papering over cracks last season. Varane especially is vital when Martinez plays because of his aerial dominance.
Mount was signed for the reason we all assumed, to replace Eriksen in a new system. It was just a horrible, horrible plan.
I'd sell Mount before Bruno. If anyone would bid £30-40m for him. They're on very similar wages.
As much as I recognise Bruno is not good enough to be part of a title winning team, it would be jarring to sell him and "expect" Mount to step up and fill his shoes when Mount is a pseudo-footballer. Like Shaw, he will probably spend the rest of his United with a revolving door of injuries.