[Scandi Red]

We are 12th in the league, your standards must be so low if you think 7 of our players have been decent or above.

It's all semantics. In my opinion, if you want to win the league then you need 9 or 10 players in the "good" (or above) category. You can really only afford 1 or 2 players in the "decent" category. Decent is just bare minimum stuff for teams with high ambitions.

And unless it wasn't clear enough, even though I mentioned it, there exists at least one (if not two) tiers above Amad's tier.

So yes, 3 good and 1 very good player sounds about right for a team that's mid table.

Also if Amad has had a very good season, what is Salah's?

Excellent/world class. Which, as you can guess, is one or two levels above "very good".

 

[JE-365]

Your right buddy, Bruno is an absolute star, the best captain United have ever had, in fact the best player ever to wear the red. That is why they are where, 14th, gotta love it. Eric Cantona wakes up every morning and wishes he was as good as Bruno.

All I said was he would be starting in Liverpool and Arsenal right now because he’s better than Curtis Jones and Odegaard. Nothing to do with captain, star, and cantona, and best player ever. Stop moving the goal post of the discussion every time you replied.

 

[Gabriel Djemba-Bebe]

All I said was he would be starting in Liverpool and Arsenal right now because he’s better than Curtis Jones and Odegaard. Nothing to do with captain, star, and cantona, and best player ever. Stop moving the goal post of the discussion every time you replied.

When someone refuses to accept that Bruno is a better player than Curtis Jones then I wouldn't bother wasting your time trying to reason with them.

 

[Lyng]

When someone refuses to accept that Bruno is a better player than Curtis Jones then I wouldn't bother wasting your time trying to reason with them.

Yeah that was my thinking as well. Even if I disagree, I can at least see why some might prefer Ødegård, but Jones over Bruno is insanity to me.

 

[jem]

We are 12th in the league, your standards must be so low if you think 7 of our players have been decent or above. Also if Amad has had a very good season, what is Salah's?

I'd say 3/4 players have been decent this season and that's it, at best. And not a single player's having a very good or good season for goodness sake, we're Manchester United not Leicester City

So you think Amad has only been decent?

 

[Musclehead]

When someone refuses to accept that Bruno is a better player than Curtis Jones then I wouldn't bother wasting your time trying to reason with them.

Not sure when I said he was better than Jones, but run with that all you want. What I did say is that he would not be starting every game for either team. Let me ask you this, what was the best game Jones ever had?

 

[Gabriel Djemba-Bebe]

Not sure when I said he was better than Jones, but run with that all you want. What I did say is that he would not be starting every game for either team. Let me ask you this, what was the best game Jones ever had?

You said "I can see him coming off the bench and starting the odd game for Liverpool", which doesn't make any sense to me. He posseses the work rate of Liverpool's midfielders with also a better end product than them. I couldn't single out the best performance Curtis Jones has had as he doesn't put in the kind of match-winning displays as frequently as Bruno has done.

 

[Musclehead]

You said "I can see him coming off the bench and starting the odd game for Liverpool", which doesn't make any sense to me. He posseses the work rate of Liverpool's midfielders with also a better end product than them. I couldn't single out the best performance Curtis Jones has had as he doesn't put in the kind of match-winning displays as frequently as Bruno has done.

Stating subjectivity as fact based on your opinion, especially hypothetically, just really cites moot points. The only reason I asked about Jones' best game was to see if you even watched the guy play. I really don't have the time to watch other games, I do make the time to watch United, but Liverpool or Arsenal I maybe spend the odd moment if it is a big game I will take it in. I will also state that Bruno Fernandes in a decade will be either forgotten or go down as one of the worst United Captains of all time. It is not all about the stats, while there are certainly tangibles, intangibles are a huge factor that plays into a players success. When you are scouting, you look for the right fit for the position and the team, skill is a huge factor, speed as well. How the guy plays, how he fights for balls, does he back off easily, how does he train, his self control etc are equally important.

With regard to the players that keep coming up such as Jones and Odegard, stating that Bruno is better than either, my quick read is valuation because other than Bruno, I do not have a good read on multiple players who play similar positions in the league, unless I watch and key on them for 4 or 5 games. That being said, the valuations are as follows,

Jones - €45 mil
Bruno - €60 mil
Odegard - €110 mil, surprisingly

So what that says to me, Odegard is the star, Bruno is middle of the pack and Jones has some work to do. Keep in mind, I believe both Jones and Odegard are younger so to really make a fair comparison would have to wait until they reach the same age. Odegard is right now peaking, Bruno on the way down. Also, need to look at the minutes played, Bruno far exceeds both.

The other point about changing the goal posts is absolute drivel. A simplistic approach that is akin to Woodward's ignorance lacks due diligence on multiple levels. The original statement was again, a flawed hypothesis. My point all along is that Bruno Fernandes is not as good as certain people tend to think. He should not be the captain of this team and it actually is detrimental. For some reason, I have to say lack of depth as a driver, which is why the guy is overplayed. His flaws, which are multiple, are quickly overshadowed when he does do something good. Simple fact, the guy has missed at least 10 sitters, then finally puts one in. Voila, he is a hero? Forget the 10 misses? In any event, think what you want to think, as I have mentioned prior, a lot of people in the know have come to the same conclusion as I have. Sell Bruno now and you will break even on him, one of the few they didn't lose on in the last decade.

 

[Gabriel Djemba-Bebe]

Stating subjectivity as fact based on your opinion, especially hypothetically, just really cites moot points. The only reason I asked about Jones' best game was to see if you even watched the guy play. I really don't have the time to watch other games, I do make the time to watch United, but Liverpool or Arsenal I maybe spend the odd moment if it is a big game I will take it in. I will also state that Bruno Fernandes in a decade will be either forgotten or go down as one of the worst United Captains of all time. It is not all about the stats, while there are certainly tangibles, intangibles are a huge factor that plays into a players success. When you are scouting, you look for the right fit for the position and the team, skill is a huge factor, speed as well. How the guy plays, how he fights for balls, does he back off easily, how does he train, his self control etc are equally important.

With regard to the players that keep coming up such as Jones and Odegard, stating that Bruno is better than either, my quick read is valuation because other than Bruno, I do not have a good read on multiple players who play similar positions in the league, unless I watch and key on them for 4 or 5 games. That being said, the valuations are as follows,

Jones - €45 mil
Bruno - €60 mil
Odegard - €110 mil, surprisingly

So what that says to me, Odegard is the star, Bruno is middle of the pack and Jones has some work to do. Keep in mind, I believe both Jones and Odegard are younger so to really make a fair comparison would have to wait until they reach the same age. Odegard is right now peaking, Bruno on the way down. Also, need to look at the minutes played, Bruno far exceeds both.

The other point about changing the goal posts is absolute drivel. A simplistic approach that is akin to Woodward's ignorance lacks due diligence on multiple levels. The original statement was again, a flawed hypothesis. My point all along is that Bruno Fernandes is not as good as certain people tend to think. He should not be the captain of this team and it actually is detrimental. For some reason, I have to say lack of depth as a driver, which is why the guy is overplayed. His flaws, which are multiple, are quickly overshadowed when he does do something good. Simple fact, the guy has missed at least 10 sitters, then finally puts one in. Voila, he is a hero? Forget the 10 misses? In any event, think what you want to think, as I have mentioned prior, a lot of people in the know have come to the same conclusion as I have. Sell Bruno now and you will break even on him, one of the few they didn't lose on in the last decade.

A lot of waffle in this post. "Missing 10 sitters, finally scores, and all of a sudden he's a hero" is the most laughable part. You're referring to him like he's a Timo Werner type of player who misses sitter after sitter. Bruno's finishing is very good, hence why his non-penalty stats are higher than most midfielders.

 

[Musclehead]

A lot of waffle in this post. "Missing 10 sitters, finally scores, and all of a sudden he's a hero" is the most laughable part. You're referring to him like he's a Timo Werner type of player who misses sitter after sitter. Bruno's finishing is very good, hence why his non-penalty stats are higher than most midfielders.

Yup, again you have a simplistic approach, hence your flawed assessment. Good luck with that!

 

[Valencia Shin Crosses]

It's going to get ignored a bit but I thought he sucked today. Played a few decent crosses in but was also back to just punting hopeful balls around and taking loose touches.

I still maintain that playing him as a left 10 doesn't work, he offers 0 running or dribbling threat and it feels like that's much needed in this system.

 

[Based Adnan]

Most games he starts on the left he ends up being moved back as part of the central 2

Yes he played well vs Liverpool there but it clearly doesn't work

 

[NZT-One]

okayish game. Nothing too good, nothing too bad. Was 2nd best just like his team mates. Amorim played him next to Collyer from some point onwards... This is something, I'll never understand. I mean, what are we expecting to happen with that? We didn't have much before but with such a midfield, what are we expecting to happen?

 

[harms]

I think he was one of the few of our players who at least did something good personally. Not much but better than most of his teammates.

 

[Idxomer]

It's going to get ignored a bit but I thought he sucked today. Played a few decent crosses in but was also back to just punting hopeful balls around and taking loose touches.

I still maintain that playing him as a left 10 doesn't work, he offers 0 running or dribbling threat and it feels like that's much needed in this system.

He was absolutely terrible, he couldn't keep shape at either position and just kept losing possession needlessly.

One of the main players who needs to be sold to fund the rebuild.

 

[Scandi Red]

Him and Amad have to do everything in attack. Our wings backs (unless Amad play there) offer nothing going forward. In central midfield Mainoo is having a terrible season and Ugarte understandably have enough on his plate winning the ball back. And the less said about our attackers the better...

 

[DWelbz19]

Well taken pen, couple of okay set pieces. Don’t think he did well in open play on a few counter passing options

 

[Isotope]

I think he was one of the few of our players who at least did something good personally. Not much but better than most of his teammates.

Personally think he's better as central midfielder, where he can see the ball more. We should get a more athletic no. 10 left.

 

[Superunknown]

Him and Amad have to do everything in attack. Our wings backs (unless Amad play there) offer nothing going forward. In central midfield Mainoo is having a terrible season and Ugarte understandably have enough on his plate winning the ball back. And the less said about our attackers the better...

I tend to agree with this. Amad and Bruno have got too much to do and are carrying all of the attacking burden on their shoulders. We're getting nothing from the wingbacks, so that already already hinders us in two positions. There's not enough pace in the team at all.

 

[NZT-One]

Personally think he's better as central midfielder, where he can see the ball more. We should get a more athletic no. 10 left.

Don't agree. He is too weak against the ball to play in central midfield. The reason we consider him there is that he is capable of some passing from deep which none of the other options can provide. Thats what we have to change, but not by placing a weak, not press-resistant AM in central midfield. Either he finds a way to influence the game from the 10 position or this formation doesn't have a suitable place for him.

 

[Maik2022]

Missed a good chance again, like last match and not in a close kind of way, more like hilarious pathetic way, was one of the better players still. They really need more technical offensive players, so this guy gets a rest and the pressure is of his shoulders.

 

[Red in STL]

Stating subjectivity as fact based on your opinion, especially hypothetically, just really cites moot points. The only reason I asked about Jones' best game was to see if you even watched the guy play. I really don't have the time to watch other games, I do make the time to watch United, but Liverpool or Arsenal I maybe spend the odd moment if it is a big game I will take it in. I will also state that Bruno Fernandes in a decade will be either forgotten or go down as one of the worst United Captains of all time. It is not all about the stats, while there are certainly tangibles, intangibles are a huge factor that plays into a players success. When you are scouting, you look for the right fit for the position and the team, skill is a huge factor, speed as well. How the guy plays, how he fights for balls, does he back off easily, how does he train, his self control etc are equally important.

With regard to the players that keep coming up such as Jones and Odegard, stating that Bruno is better than either, my quick read is valuation because other than Bruno, I do not have a good read on multiple players who play similar positions in the league, unless I watch and key on them for 4 or 5 games. That being said, the valuations are as follows,

Jones - €45 mil
Bruno - €60 mil
Odegard - €110 mil, surprisingly

So what that says to me, Odegard is the star, Bruno is middle of the pack and Jones has some work to do. Keep in mind, I believe both Jones and Odegard are younger so to really make a fair comparison would have to wait until they reach the same age. Odegard is right now peaking, Bruno on the way down. Also, need to look at the minutes played, Bruno far exceeds both.

The other point about changing the goal posts is absolute drivel. A simplistic approach that is akin to Woodward's ignorance lacks due diligence on multiple levels. The original statement was again, a flawed hypothesis. My point all along is that Bruno Fernandes is not as good as certain people tend to think. He should not be the captain of this team and it actually is detrimental. For some reason, I have to say lack of depth as a driver, which is why the guy is overplayed. His flaws, which are multiple, are quickly overshadowed when he does do something good. Simple fact, the guy has missed at least 10 sitters, then finally puts one in. Voila, he is a hero? Forget the 10 misses? In any event, think what you want to think, as I have mentioned prior, a lot of people in the know have come to the same conclusion as I have. Sell Bruno now and you will break even on him, one of the few they didn't lose on in the last decade.

"I do not have a good read on multiple players who play similar positions in the league, unless I watch and key on them for 4 or 5 games."

Tells us all we need to know, you base your opinion on one player with an assertaion about his abilities/effectiveness capabalities for another team without watching them to any great degree

 

[Dannn411]

He should only play in central midfield in this formation alongside Ugarte. He is too slow in the front 3.

 

[Cnaiür urs Skiötha]

We create nothing and he has been our focal point for 5 years so I would say him always being in the team hinders us getting better. It is a shame that Mount is always injured and Eriksen too slow as I would like to see them 2 behind the striker.

 

[Valencia Shin Crosses]

Personally think he's better as central midfielder, where he can see the ball more. We should get a more athletic no. 10 left.

Yeah I’ve been saying the same. In this system he can make it potentially as the more creative/progressive CM with runners in front. But playing him that advanced is just a detriment to the team, especially with the current crap personnel to support him

 

[Isotope]

Yeah I’ve been saying the same. In this system he can make it potentially as the more creative/progressive CM with runners in front. But playing him that advanced is just a detriment to the team, especially with the current crap personnel to support him

Those two opportunities with his lame shots, could easily turn into goals with a powerful No. 10.

 

[Valencia Shin Crosses]

Those two opportunities with his lame shots, could easily turn into goals with a powerful No. 10.

Yeah it’s why I’m not blaming Amorim a ton. He’s made some mistakes but I’ve also seen our players get put into great opportunities just to simply not have the ability to capitalize.

Still don’t think fans realize how poor the overall squad is

 

[Isotope]

Yeah it’s why I’m not blaming Amorim a ton. He’s made some mistakes but I’ve also seen our players get put into great opportunities just to simply not have the ability to capitalize.

Still don’t think fans realize how poor the overall squad is

True. I really want to see if Amorim is given 3 new players. How far the team will transform?

But it seems like we have to wait until at least this Summer. And also it's rare that all transfer is 100% success.

 

[Kostov]

Worst captain of a big club I have ever seen. Zero personality, aura or self esteem. And he was dogshit in everything else today.

 

[Robbie Boy]

He was less crap than others.

 

[DON’T PANIC ™]

He scores the odd “worldie” such as against Arsenal but his shooting is generally pants. Had a great opportunity today and made a mess of it. Seems like he never shoots with power but always tries to finesse the ball with the inside or outside of his foot and inevitably goes wide or high.
Off the field he talks a good game but rarely inspires on it.

Saying all of that, our squad is so weak, it’s difficult to select a Utd first 11 without him being in it.

 

[Stadjer]

He scores the odd “worldie” such as against Arsenal but his shooting is generally pants. Had a great opportunity today and made a mess of it. Seems like he never shoots with power but always tries to finesse the ball with the inside or outside of his foot and inevitably goes wide or high.
Off the field he talks a good game but rarely inspires on it.

Saying all of that, our squad is so weak, it’s difficult to select a Utd first 11 without him being in it.

The moment when Zirkzee left the ball for Bruno? It almost looked like Bruno didnt expect Zirkzee to do that because Bruno just kicked too late if i remember correctly. The ball bounced of his standing feet before he kicked it and then he started to complain at Zirkzee.

 

[DON’T PANIC ™]

The moment when Zirkzee left the ball for Bruno? It almost looked like Bruno didnt expect Zirkzee to do that because Bruno just kicked too late if i remember correctly. The ball bounced of his standing feet before he kicked it and then he started to complain at Zirkzee.

Yeah, although I thought Zirkzee must’ve had a shout to leave it. Zirkzee wasn’t facing the right way for a shot anyway. I thought Bruno could’ve done a lot better.

 

[Mmm-Qatarian]

I'm in agreement with the posters saying we should move him into central-midfield for the time being in place of Mainoo.

As I've said in Mainoo's own player thread, I think one of the big problems with this side right now is that we've lurched from Ten Hag's frenetic, instinctive style of play on the ball to Amorim's slower and more considered approach. We were a side that majorly struggled to slow the game down when necessary, which was where Mainoo absolutely thrived in the middle of the park as he's excellent at this. The pendulum has now swung the other way in my estimation, and we are now struggling to generate urgency when it's needed and are a blunt attacking force because of it. In this scenario, having Mainoo in the heart of midfield is pretty detrimental because he isn't a very adventurous passer. Where we've had this issue in matches, I've often felt that when Amorim has made the change to substitute Mainoo off and either directly replaced him with Eriksen or dropped Fernandes deeper into midfield, we've looked like a better side for it.