Decisive and composed - a perfect combination for him.
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Season Average Rating
- Appearances
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- Goals
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- Assists
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- Yellow cards
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- Red cards
- 3
I am not a scout so me not knowing somebody "who is contributing as much" still doesn't help your argument. I just tried to explain, that blunt categories like "good" and "bad" don't really work at the highest Level. We've seen Sancho for Dortmund, actually a lot of players flourished for Dortmund yet fell short heftily once taken out of that environment. The question should be what roles are required in the team and who is best suited to fullfill that role.
And for the record - yes, Bruno is more or less connected with everything good we do these days. But you can't buy shit with that, given that we don't seem to go anywhere as a team. And just for the record, try to calm yourself down, I have never said that "all is his fault" or "we'll be better without him". It doesn't really help any discussion if you just project your views on others.
Well there aren't many teams out there who don't follow such principles. Certainly the more successful ones do. We on the other hand are tragically underorganized on the pitch and it effects our results more and more. You are right, the very best players will thrive in many different Systems and roles but the majority of the (only) good players will only really flourish in specific environments. On top of that, no hyperbole needed, I've never seen any claims that could be described as anywhere close to "mathletes". Nobody asks to go Ajax or Tiki Taka, nobody wants to go full force rigid and systematic, but we have to move out of the red zone at least so the lack of control is no longer contributing to our issues on the pitch.
People can doubt the relevance of systems, each to their own after all, but one thing can't get discussed away - the best teams out there usually not only have such systems but also very good individual Players. So it isn't either or - at the top, it is both. And given that these days we don't even have too many good individual Players, we might as well give it a shot with the systems, not like we could much worse.
I think this would only be reasonable, no reason to shit on such a simple concept only because I used it in connection to slight Bruno criticism. Especially given that specifically you think that he will shine in any system anyways.
Not sure why you'd describe it as Obsession. Even if Bruno is as good as you see him apparently, it would still be extremely problematic for the team to be so over-reliant on one player. It is clear that without him we lose out on abilities that good teams have to have. And while there maybe never has been a time where somebody said "lets build around Bruno" it is what happened. Under Ole the team certainly was set up to maximize his capabilities from a certain point onwards. Under ETH, his and Rashfords connection was seen as the primary attacking route in season one. He is the captain, he is playing every minute, the team materialized to this state around him. Not his fault, not his flaw. To me personally, he is a symbol of the way we play the game. And given that performances and (since this season mostly) also results are suffering, the way we play can and should be questioned.
Great way to discuss. Always a good idea to open the door to politics to keep the ad hominems fresh. It surely was warranted given all the personal attacks your gentle soul had to suffer. How long will it take until you label it right-wing to criticise a player?
Nah, that has to be the Liverpool game. Great Opponent, great Performance - yesterday he was good but the majority of the match was us defending with 10 men behind the ball, no environment to really shine.
Easily our best player. By miles as well, feck knows where we would be without him.
You'll bring it far on here, newbie. Always a bad sign when different opinions on a football forum trigger you personally
We dont get points in the last few games without him. He was the catalyst for the Everton come back and delivered set pieces on the money again.
It seems as if he is better playing deeper, where he can see the whole game rather that in the 10.
It seems as if he is better playing deeper, where he can see the whole game rather that in the 10.
I think it's really simple (in our case); the more involved Bruno is, the better. In CM he will get minimum 80 touches (sometimes more than 100) whenever we play mid table or lower table opponents. We also see that even when he plays AM he tends to drop deep because the team struggles to advance the ball effectively, so he must help out.
This is especially important now that Amad is injured. We don't have much quality on the ball and the only other creative player is Eriksen, who don't seem to have the legs to play game after game.
Yeah, he is pretty much alone with that extra bit of quality in our side. Amad is a big miss for us. He also has that little bit extra. Eriksen has it too and i think we need to use him more often. One of the 10s should suit him fine i think.
Was soothing to watch them have fun with the Ipswich defense at the end there.
Why don't you just try and give him an unadulterated compliment. It's possible. See how it feels. Could be a breakthrough moment for you.
Rather than "he was good but...."
The engine on this guy!
That was great. Reminded me of Rooney taking the piss out of Everton, back in the day. Silky skills too.
Roy comes across really poorly in that clip. Bullshit arguments all around.
"Pretending to close people down"
Yeah, that right there tells you everything you need to know about his bias. Not to mention the "they're 15th in the league" nonsense.Keane was a world class captain, but not even he would have been able to drag this team to the top all by himself
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I guess, if some of our online fanbase has its way, we'll find out the answer to Critchley's question next season after we sell Bruno.
In addition to this we have had people clamouring to take him of set pieces,
But of course the Caf knows best
At this point, you should talk about Bruno with your therapist.
The story of this thread - someone seemingly uses the wrong amount of praise and becomes the antagonist.
I'd praise him when it is warranted. It was a cagey game and he fought well in a game with little opportunity for attacking players to shine. You are welcome to cream your pants over one of the better results in recent weeks in a game, that looked and felt like the lower table clash that it was with two teams playing exactly like that and scoring from set pieces the minute the deliveries move slightly above average. Who knew, hitting them with some conviction could force things. Next week we'll probably still be back to lofting it to Maguire.
Cmon, a good captain would scream until Dalot turned into prime Giggs and Ugarte into prime Scholes…Roy comes across really poorly in that clip. Bullshit arguments all around.
"Pretending to close people down"
Keane was a world class captain, but not even he would have been able to drag this team to the top all by himself
These type of comments from the ”back in my days” crew gets old rather quick i feel.
Keano I love you but that is complete bollocks. Absolute bollocks.
Because he's fecking brilliant. I despair at where we would be without him.
He's been so good for us. Great again yesterday - I genuinely shudder to think where we'd be without him.
Keane was a great player and a great captain but it's one thing to be captaining sides with the likes of Beckham and Giggs and Scholes and RVN and Stam and Rio and Rooney and Ronaldo in them, with the greatest manager of all time in the dugout.
And it's another thing to be captaining sides with the likes of Dalot and Hojlund and Onana and a dickhead like Sancho and a Rashford who can't be arsed to run, with really struggling managers like ETH and Amorim in the dugout.
The criticism Bruno gets on here is mental, we'd be completely fecked without him.
And it's another thing to be captaining sides with the likes of Dalot and Hojlund and Onana and a dickhead like Sancho and a Rashford who can't be arsed to run, with really struggling managers like ETH and Amorim in the dugout.
The criticism Bruno gets on here is mental, we'd be completely fecked without him.
Two things can be correct though. Bruno has been frustrating at times with his long balls and petulance, he also goes missing in games. At the same time though, he has been pivotal in some games, winning us points and god knows where we would be without him.
Roy asked in the video who do you start with? I wouldn't start at Bruno but by no means is he above criticism. I'm looking probably at the senior players, the likes of Casemiro, Rashford, Onana, Maguire etc. Bruno is near the bottom in priority.
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Not true. Someone else would be there in his place. Either way, has he seen the bottom three sides? We couldn't finish below them if we wanted to.
Whatever you think of him, one thing you certainly can't accuse him of is going missing. Whether he's playing brilliantly or poorly he always puts himself about and is never afraid to get on the ball.
I would also add:
We're 100% not making top 4 in 2020.
We're 100% not finishing 2nd i 2021. And I seriously doubt that we make top 4.
And while he had a more quite build-up role in the 2023 season, I can see us failing to make top 4 that year too. I also think he helped tip the scales in the FA cup final last year.
Who? Our transfers have been appalling.
Jesus Roy, have a day off with that nonsense. As someone said previously, the old United team were blessed with a great manager and world class players.
United problems come from recruitment and not buying built profiles for the league. Our midfield is dire and can’t control games which then Bruno drops deep and forcing him to play in midfield. He has issues but he’s not a problem.
United problems come from recruitment and not buying built profiles for the league. Our midfield is dire and can’t control games which then Bruno drops deep and forcing him to play in midfield. He has issues but he’s not a problem.
Donny is going to hit his stride any minute now.
What?
Someone who is never injured and has the output Bruno has? Who would that be then?
More often than not Keane talks out of his backside.
Honestly think Keane would ask for a transfer out of the club.Roy comes across really poorly in that clip. Bullshit arguments all around.
"Pretending to close people down"
Keane was a world class captain, but not even he would have been able to drag this team to the top all by himself
Literally anyone. That's how certain I am that we wouldn't be in the bottom three, regardless of if Bruno was here or not.
Bruno is legitimately subject to criticism from time to time, but overall he has been magnificent for us. How much further down the table we would be without him is hard to say, but we would be in worse shape without him than we are with him.
Apparently not having an answer to that question does not invalidate the argument that we could get someone better than Bruno.
This. He's really tiring to listen to
It's almost like he's human?
He's very inconsistent for someone who can be top shelf. I don't think the good is worth the bad at this point, if United is to compete for league titles.
Him questioning someone else's commitment and work ethic is ironic considering he turned his back on his own fecking country.